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Who are the haters?

I honestly don't understand why sexuality needs to be political. It's just sad and pathetic that laws apply with regards to normal human emotions and desires such as love, devotion and marriage. Religious beliefs deeming it to me sacraligious, just end up as a reminder of how the masses were controlled back in the day but c'mon now people... I mean, really...

sorry, I'd better not get started on this one, grrrrr *insert livid face here* :m192:
 
The sad thing about being politically aligned to the right is it automatically puts me into the same voting block as gay haters. Idealistically, I align more with liberals, but ideals never fix anything. Recently though, I've lost total faith in our governing structure in the USA, so I can't really say I align right anymore.

I support a peaceful overthrow of our government, and the ratifying of a second constitution that builds upon the first, where more is elaborated on how the senate and house should operate, as in, accepting bribes gets your head chopped off quite expediently.
 
The right isn't anti gay. Hell, Theodore Olson, who is one of the attorneys who is fighting Prop 8 in federal court in California, is conservative and makes the argument that gay marriage is a conservative value. It's the religious right who are anti gay.
 
I know the right isn't gay. I'm just saying the religious right is in the same voting block as the right because we have a lame two party system.
 
Satya said:
...So who are the haters? Is it the people who claim that gay marriage supporters are doing the work of the devil and doing bad? Is it the gay marriage supporters who are angrily confronting the anti gay marriage people? Is it all a trap?
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Good question!

I know plenty of gay people and (somewhat) conservative religious people, and it is really difficult for me to imagine the ones I know on either side taking time out of their busy schedules for the sole purpose of getting together and calling each other names and making really inappropriate threats. And I can't for a million billion years imagine a single one of my gay friends making those kind of threats about kidnapping. Brilliant move, that -- freak people out as much as you possibly can, and provide soundbytes for the other side, yeah, that'll help. (rolls eyes)

Frankly, most people (gay or straight or religious or not) have better things to do, and they manage to coexist peacefully, even if they are not always in 100% agreement.

Yet clearly, hating happens on both sides, as those videos show. Maybe the ones who do this just think it's fun. Shrug.
 
P.S. But along these same lines, I know people who seem to enjoy snooping and commenting on my incredibly run-of-the-mill life, which always surprises me. I think it is boredom, really -- their own life is not interesting enough, so they focus on someone else's life, and feeling outraged is such fun (evidently), so they have to hate a little to spice things up.
 
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Religion breeds intolerance and the less education involved the greater the intolerance (a generalization) As long as there is religion anything different will be fundamentally opposed by some.
 
yukon1 said:
Religion breeds intolerance and the less education involved the greater the intolerance (a generalization) As long as there is religion anything different will be fundamentally opposed by some.
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Thats a not only a generalization, but a giant leap in logic.

Cut out and everything except the bold and then you start getting truth.
 
I realize you have strong religious beliefs Barnabas, but there are MANY people that feel religion can and does breed intolerance. This doesn't mean that you or your particular religion do, just that some can and do. The Gay subject is just one example. I won't hold to a dogma that says gays are dammed for simply being gay. I agree with the statement Yukon posted. Anything men create can and will be corrupted by men. Again, I realize many people feel religion (s) were NOT created by man, but that's not my view. My views on religion were posted in Shia's thread on religious affiliation so I don't want to debate which religion is "right" here.

But to say that religion doesn't breed intolerance and narrow mindedness is foolish. That's exactly what most organized religions are about! You must convert to the correct sets of mind and points of view regarding faith and the universe or you are to be pitied--and damned. Yes, many can be altruistic but you can find that in many other types of organizations too. Religions don't corner the market on that. No, they are just like any other organization containing people, flawed and only as strong as its weakest. And they all have haters. We just have to be vigilant and not excuse a person or organization because they have a religious affiliation.
 
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Barnabas said:
Thats a not only a generalization, but a giant leap in logic.

Cut out and everything except the bold and then you start getting truth.
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You are alive at an unfortunate time Barnabas. The days of moderate religion are coming to an end. Fundamentalists are winning more converts every day as the more neutral churches are closing their doors and the fundies bring a new, extreme brand of religion that promotes religiocentrism and openly uses propaganda to promote its worldview.

Behold the future of Religion.

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Keep in mind that the above pastor who is supporting a bill in Uganda that would create a death penalty for repeat offenders of sodomy and who travels around his country to rile people up with cherry picked pornography pictures of Coprophilia, is financed by American churches.
 
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Satya said:
You are alive at an unfortunate time Barnabas. The days of moderate religion are coming to an end. Fundamentalists are winning more converts every day as the more neutral churches are closing their doors and the fundies bring a new, extreme brand of religion that promotes religiocentrism and openly uses propaganda to promote its worldview.

Behold the future of Religion.

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That is just...unexplainable...the ignorance displayed here. So sad..seriously..no wonder the country does not progress.
 
Satya said:
...Keep in mind that the above pastor who is supporting a bill in Uganda that would create a death penalty for repeat offenders of sodomy and who travels around his country to rile people up with cherry picked pornography pictures of Coprophilia, is financed by American churches.
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More proof that these people need better things to do with their time and money than go around harassing their gay neighbors. I mean, SERIOUSLY (!) If you make it your job to travel around the country showing people esoteric genres of gay porn, what does that say about you? It does not say that you have much of a life, that's for darn sure.

And besides, isn't there straight porn with people peeing on each other? (sorry if I just made this thread "mature") Gay rights groups should just show people that stuff as a counter-attack.

Ew. On so many levels. Sorry.
 
Janet said:
More proof that these people need better things to do with their time and money than go around harassing their gay neighbors. I mean, SERIOUSLY (!) If you make it your job to travel around the country showing people esoteric genres of gay porn, what does that say about you? It does not say that you have much of a life, that's for darn sure.
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Take the above and add that you are in a 3rd world country with people literally starving in the streets due to abject poverty, rampant rape of women, and an epidemic of HIV tearing through the population. Above all that, fighting the "poo eating" homosexual menace takes priority. Really does Jesus proud. This is the growing trend while normal churches are closing their doors because they can't attract young members.

And besides, isn't there straight porn with people peeing on each other? (sorry if I just made this thread "mature") Gay rights groups should just show people that stuff as a counter-attack.
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There is certainly straight porn with coprophilia, fisting, and any number of extreme deviant sex acts that you can think of. And I don't think lowering ourselves to the standard of publicly displaying porn is the answer. That is the work of this pastor, not a legitimate gay rights group.

Ew. On so many levels. Sorry.
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Wisdom of repugnance is the emotional appeal fallacy that religious nuts have been using forever. It's never going to change.
 
Satya said:
You are alive at an unfortunate time Barnabas. The days of moderate religion are coming to an end. Fundamentalists are winning more converts every day as the more neutral churches are closing their doors and the fundies bring a new, extreme brand of religion that promotes religiocentrism and openly uses propaganda to promote its worldview.
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It is always an unfortunate time to live in our world, broken and ugly as it is. I am fortunate enough to live with the future in sight, both figuratively and literally. It is very different from what you seem to think.
 
Satya said:
Take the above and add that you are in a 3rd world country with people literally starving in the streets due to abject poverty, rampant rape of women, and an epidemic of HIV tearing through the population. Above all that, fighting the "poo eating" homosexual menace takes priority. Really does Jesus proud. This is the growing trend while normal churches are closing their doors because they can't attract young members.
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EXACTLY! What the #$%^& is wrong with that picture? What motivates people to do this? Do they think it is fun, or helpful, or what? Sorry, I just don't get it.

Satya said:
There is certainly straight porn with coprophilia, fisting, and any number of extreme deviant sex acts that you can think of. And I don't think lowering ourselves to the standard of publicly displaying porn is the answer. That is the work of this pastor, not a legitimate gay rights group.
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Good point, I was only halfway serious, actually. Still... it seems people could've thought this whole "look what these gay people are doing" argument through a little more carefully, since straight people do things like this too.

Satya said:
Wisdom of repugnance is the emotional appeal fallacy that religious nuts have been using forever. It's never going to change.
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Yeah, but still, EW! (LOL)

I never said they should be condemned to death for it (they'll probably die from a raging case of e-coli, anyway), and actually, just to clarify and make my opinion perfectly clear, I find the pastor's behavior, and the laws regarding death penalty for homosexuals, just as repugnant as the actual poo-poo eating itself.
 
Now, now... Just for fun and for training to be a fundy...

Janet said:
EXACTLY! What the #$%^& is wrong with that picture? What motivates people to do this? Do they think it is fun, or helpful, or what? Sorry, I just don't get it.
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"If the goddamned hell-sent homosexuals are vanquished from the world, God will love us back and everything will be all right" ?

Not....really makes any sense, but it does to them.
Good point, I was only halfway serious, actually. Still... it seems people could've thought this whole "look what these gay people are doing" argument through a little more carefully, since straight people do things like this too.
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"Still, it's GAYS! THEY'RE EVIL AND IT MAKES THEM MORE FREAKY!"
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"Ew, so they're as freak as those gays."

I never said they should be condemned to death for it (they'll probably die from a raging case of e-coli, anyway), and actually, just to clarify and make my opinion perfectly clear, I find the pastor's behavior, and the laws regarding death penalty for homosexuals, just as repugnant as the actual poo-poo eating itself.
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We're talking about faith here. Which, as salvaging as it is, can lead onto everything.......that can very much be WTF. Hence why the world has Kamikaze pilots, Crusaders, and Jihads in the past.
 
88chaz88 said:
So this is where you can be found eh?
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I'm straight as an arrow my friend. If you're looking to pick me up you need to shave that rat of your chin and grow your man boobs back
 
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