[Important] Osama Bin Laden is dead

[bickelz]

So if someone wants to kill me I should help them? I should shower them with kindness while they stab me and shoot me?

If we decide to keep to ourselves here in America and not retaliate so violently at the stupidest shit, yeah that's what we should do as a country. If we say to the terrorist organizations "Fuck off, we're done with this game" and genuinely leave them alone, they will eventually go away.

in the end you have two options kill or be killed.

Absolutism is bullshit. This is also something my dad taught me but then I realized he was full of crap. This is just a message from the scared people telling others to be scared when there is actually nothing to fear. Communism? Many would say it's the devil but I don't understand why it is so bad. Do I want to live there? No, but I don't see the reason for fear. Believe it or not, people aren't always out to get you.

Jesus taught that if you were mad at another you already committed murder in your mind. And it was the same thing as doing it. Thoughts lead to actions.

That's some heavy shit right there and I don't think that's anywhere near the truth. You can be mad at someone and not act on that anger. Thoughts don't always lead to actions and people act without thinking all the time. Anger is an emotion and you cannot control emotions, especially when it's a reaction. You can influence them but cannot create an emotional state entirely with your conscious mind. I don't know why a psychological reaction would be considered a sin.

 

[myself]

[MENTION=1814]invisible[/MENTION] . . . well said

c'mon folks open your eyes!
don't buy this bullshit from Obama

Barrack Obama will possibly go down in history as the worst president ever...
but white folk sure do like having a black man in office.

they feel good about themselves when they look at Obama...

Truthfully, Obama is more dangerous for our country than Bush ever was.

Bush was a cowboy. Totally Embarrassing. An easy target. For 8 years he was an absolute laughing stock.

Obama came like an angel, to save us from the evil Bush administration.

Do you remember? It was downright painful even watching Bush speak.
After those years of misery, people were ready to worship Barrack Obama.

The man is intelligent, handsome, funny, can deliver a great speech, and he plays basketball!

Truth is... he's working for the same crooked folks just like Bush did.

Obama is only another puppet.

Is it so hard to see how Obama is probably a very bad thing for America?

Obama says 'YES WE CAN' and the people go apeshit...

The masses are too easily manipulated.
He was supposed to bring all this CHANGE to Washington.
People actually believe in him. It's a damn shame.

Nothing has changed. Politics is a colossal waste of time.

We are still fighting wars with no end in sight.
Obama is responsible for ending so many lives.

And who can challenge him?

Who will stand a chance against him, as he spends billions to get re-elected?

I see nothing good coming from Obama.

We are supposed to be happy that some troops finally found and killed Osama bin Laden?

Has justice really been served?

It's a sad scene. Nothing to rejoice about.

We will probably have some more attacks as a result of this.
There will be some new enemy soon.
We need to have SOMEBODY to hunt down and kill.

How many trillions will we spend bringing people to justice?

What problems are we solving with all this violence?

I'm not impressed.

 

[Tamagochi]

So... the US has spent 10 years and over a trillion dollars to slay just one man. What an achievement indeed.

 

[bickelz]

@myself I agree that this is nothing impressive and everyone is making a big deal out of nothing. It's honestly not a big deal that we caught bin laden. He's just someone we can blame for our problems on so it makes us feel better that we shot his ass in the head (from what I hear is actually true). This is the weakness of America and we're so damn blind to it that it causes so many of our deaths.

I totally disagree that he will go down as the worst president in history though. That's a bit excessive. I don't think he's as dangerous as you point out but you do have some good points that he plays president better than bush and is therefore able to get away with more because people trust a smart man with charisma. But honestly, this sounds like something Glenn Beck has said. It's really only a step short from calling him a nazi, assuming I interpreted the pov correctly.

And politics isn't a waste of time. We need to either work within the system in order to fix it or burn it down and reconstruct another one. I'd rather take the former because I think it can be done that way and it is far more stable.

I'd also rather believe in Obama than McCain, Palin, Trump, Huckabee, Romney or really anyone else for that matter, unless they're from the green party.

True, Obama is in bed with many of the people Bush was but so is every other politician. The only people we can trust are the hippies, no lie. What do they have to lose?

My closing commentary for the night before I go to sleep (There's some swearing so I'll spoiler sensor it):

Spoiler

-The country is in the shitter in many regards but it does us no good to just sit back and say that it is. We have to do things to manage the debt, pay for the war and promote peace as well as general welfare for the people.

-Honestly, this mess started a while back, not with bush but with Regan. He started the supply side economics shit that was employed by bush and it screwed the world economy over.

-The baby boomer generation is the worst in the history of America. I was thinking about this earlier and I'm sorry if you're a part of the Baby Boomers but you royally screwed this one up. One of histories most important generations passed the country on to you guys and you turned it into something that really sucks. Now it's my job to clean it up instead of enjoy it. Thanks, truly, it's nice to know I have my entire life to look forward to with the problems created by this generation being shoved up my arse. You guys told us to pull up our pants when we were younger, now we get to tell you that pulling up your pants does nothing. It makes you look silly and you guys screwed us over so I'll stop wearing fucking pants if we fix the problems created by the boomers by 2025.

-Religion is not the answer for our problems. It will only make it worse. This goes to the tea party: back the fuck off. You scare us with the way you want to lead the country. Your "morals" are anything but. They're contradictory and you don't know what the hell you're talking about. And make no mistake, they have heavy influence on the ever moving right GOP. Religion caused 9/11 (even if they were extremists and we're not at war with Islam) so don't combat it with more religion. It gets in the way with rational thinking when you're on an international stage.

-The center of the political spectrum is being drug to the right by the conservatives. Right now, Eisenhower would have been called a socialist. From the few quotes I've seen, he was scared of the second amendment and wanted universal health care. This scares this shit out of me too. What will happen in 10 years when gen y starts taking over a few positions?

-The second amendment scares me too. We kill over 11000 people a year in America. And that's just domestically produce killings.

America, you need to take a big fat look it the mirror because you're backwards and inside out. You're phobic and are about to be taken over by china. A waning power trying to keep shooting its way to the top as it did in WW2. We've only been a superpower for 60 of the 220 years that we've been around. America is not number one like you think it is. Most patriotism is fake. Most americans do not support democratic values.

Whew!, That was exhausting.

 

[Neuropedia]

meh w/e

 

[Edith]

I honestly don't know how important this is. It could be more harmful than good. Sure, the head hancho is gone but Al-Qaeda be really pissed at us right now. The next few months are going to be scary as fuck because they're going to want to retaliate methinks. I don't want to scare people but this is a reality.

I also am not sure how I feel about the whole "America is #1" chants. They're so childish and honestly, we're not exactly number one. I wonder if foreign countries will start hating us again because of what's happening in front of the white house right now.

I agree with this.

"I've never wished a man dead, but I have read some obituaries with great pleasure." - Mark Twain

 

[Arsal]

I find it hilarious that people are able to suspend their beliefs to the point where they can believe that one person can be responsible for events as catastrophic and destructive as the 9/11.

Osama Bin Laden was just the scapegoat. A symbol of terrorism for people to hate. Like Hitler, but a lot more passive - an idea/image of a person we are told to despise and blame our issues on.

I don't watch the news anymore because it's manipulative and often resorts to fear mongering and such techniques to control people's opinions/views, rather than providing the facts. As far as I'm concerned, this is another piece of news to manipulate me into thinking "Everything is going to be okay! We are all safe!". Well, no, nothing is going to be okay, nothing is going to change. This is bullshit.

We don't even know if he is really dead, or just being announced as dead for any number of purposes.

 

[aerosol]

at first, i didn't know how to feel. i felt like there were so many options for this. will they attack us? they will undoubtetly be angry. i don't know, it's just scary. that's my Ni i guess.
then my Fe kicked in. i saw people gathering around the white house and they were all happy osama was dead. maybe i should feel that way too? feeling happy about someone's death is weird. but so many did feel good about it. then they zoomed in on it and i realized they were all drunk college kids. blah. their points are all invalid.

then i think my Ti kicked in (?). i was like wow, people think osama being dead is great. but shit, you know they are gonna wanna bomb us even more now. and i'm scared.

 

[Septemptus]

I honestly don't know how important this is. It could be more harmful than good. Sure, the head hancho is gone but Al-Qaeda be really pissed at us right now. The next few months are going to be scary as fuck because they're going to want to retaliate methinks. I don't want to scare people but this is a reality.

I also am not sure how I feel about the whole "America is #1" chants. They're so childish and honestly, we're not exactly number one. I wonder if foreign countries will start hating us again because of what's happening in front of the white house right now.

I agree on your points. Personally I'm in quite a shock looking at people's reaction to his death. I guess it's not really a big suprise, with the need for revenge being a part of our nature, but still I find most of the comments on the case disturbing. People cheering, making disgusting jokes about a person's death, just openly admiting to hate, without any moral limitations - that's not the world I'd like to live in. I can understand if people are somehow relieved about it, a bit happy, in the end he was believed to be the mastermind behind a big tragedy. But celebrating someone's death in such a degree? That's just savage. It makes me wonder how are these people different than the muslims who celebrated the 9/11 tragedy. What strikes me even more is that in the grand scheme of things it only makes 'the other side' more aggrevated and they most likely will retaliate, just like you said.

 

[Neuropedia]

I find it hilarious that people are able to suspend their beliefs to the point where they can believe that one person can be responsible for events as catastrophic and destructive as the 9/11.

Osama Bin Laden was just the scapegoat. A symbol of terrorism for people to hate. Like Hitler, but a lot more passive - an idea/image of a person we are told to despise and blame our issues on.

I don't watch the news anymore because it's manipulative and often resorts to fear mongering and such techniques to control people's opinions/views, rather than providing the facts. As far as I'm concerned, this is another piece of news to manipulate me into thinking "Everything is going to be okay! We are all safe!". Well, no, nothing is going to be okay, nothing is going to change. This is bullshit.

We don't even know if he is really dead, or just being announced as dead for any number of purposes.

+1

 

[~jet]

my only comment on this entire thing is: if anyone really wants to address terrorism and war, we need to address poverty, hunger, obscene GINI gulfs, environmental degredation, etc... 'til you address the root causes of desperation and anger, nothing is going to change no matter who waves the flags.

 

[Norton]

my only comment on this entire thing is: if anyone really wants to address terrorism and war, we need to address poverty, hunger, obscene GINI gulfs, environmental degredation, etc... 'til you address the root causes of desperation and anger, nothing is going to change no matter who waves the flags.

Islamic terrorism has nothing to do with economic problems such as poverty, hunger, etc. It has to do with medieval minds resisting modernity. The 9-11 terrorists were not poor. Rather, they were in the middle class or wealthier. The goal of Al-Quaeda is to force a global Califate upon the world using whatever means available. There is strong evidence (e.g., captured computer of Khalid Sheik Mohammed and others) showing that Al-Quaeda has been trying to develop chemical weapons, dirty bombs, and steal nuclear weapons. This is well documented in many media sources. Of course, I know some say we can't trust the media because, after all, the media is all in a conspiracy to lie to us. Hardly. The media are all competing with each other to either debunk what the competition publishes or to publish it first. Read a diversity of legitimate sources: The New York Times, Le Monde, Le Devoir, Die Ziet, The Washington Post, The Times of London, Le Figaro, etc. They don't conspire, they compete.

I can't believe some of the naive opinions expressed in this thread. The world is a brutal place and the sooner you realize this, the sooner you'll be able to deal with the little Hitlers you're likely to encounter in your own lives (just wait until you come up against your first psychopath--they won't love you back). All the love and flowers you wish to spread will not make Islamo-fascists love you. Rather, many of them want to kill you. I am thrilled that Bin Laden has been killed and I explicitly celebrate his death in the same way I would Hitler's, Stalin's, and Pol Pot's. I hope more Islamo-fascists are killed, soon.

 

[kita]

I think the celebratory reaction to his death is gross. I'm surprised and embarrassed people in Boston were rejoicing in the street last night about it. I don't think he deserves so much attention. I guess people feel they've gotten revenge but revenge too is kind of gross and selfish, its not justice.

 

[~jet]

Islamic terrorism has nothing to do with economic problems such as poverty, hunger, etc. It has to do with medieval minds resisting modernity. The 9-11 terrorists were not poor. Rather, they were in the middle class or wealthier. The goal of Al-Quaeda is to force a global Califate upon the world using whatever means available. There is strong evidence (e.g., captured computer of Khalid Sheik Mohammed and others) showing that Al-Quaeda has been trying to develop chemical weapons, dirty bombs, and steal nuclear weapons. This is well documented in many media sources. Of course, I know some say we can't trust the media because, after all, the media is all in a conspiracy to lie to us. Hardly. The media are all competing with each other to either debunk what the competition publishes or to publish it first. Read a diversity of legitimate sources: The New York Times, Le Monde, Le Devoir, Die Ziet, The Washington Post, The Times of London, Le Figaro, etc. They don't conspire, they compete.

I can't believe some of the naive opinions expressed in this thread. The world is a brutal place and the sooner you realize this, the sooner you'll be able to deal with the little Hitlers you're likely to encounter in your own lives (just wait until you come up against your first psychopath--they won't love you back). All the love and flowers you wish to spread will not make Islamo-fascists love you. Rather, many of them want to kill you. I am thrilled that Bin Laden has been killed and I explicitly celebrate his death in the same way I would Hitler's, Stalin's, and Pol Pot's. I hope more Islamo-fascists are killed, soon.

Speaking of naivete... these people were 1% of 1% of 1% of 1% and do not represent the vast majority of people who are just trying to get by. Even in spite of being relatively poor in these countries (GINI indexes being rather high), most still did not support it after the events of 9/11. The kind of spite that foments into stuff like this would have extremely little soil to germinate in if happiness, contentment, or at least a sense of security had been the rule for them, instead. Hitler, by your simplistic example, could not have accomplished turning a nation of good people into the third reich if not by instilling doubt, fear, and insecurity... exactly the way FOX news does today. If anything is fascist (which germany was not, come to think of it), it can be found below, and the USA more closely fits the definition than anything the rare radical islamist cleric does.

No need to reply; I won't be able to see any of your posts.

 

[not sure]

Hitler, by your simplistic example, could not have accomplished turning a nation of good people into the third reich if not by instilling doubt, fear, and insecurity... exactly the way FOX news does today.

Hitler did not instill doubt, fear and insecurity into the Germans. It all ready existed. He only gave it focus. Anti-semitism, xenophobia, distrust of the aristocracy and fear for the economy were all ready there. I don't doubt that some of the powerful are opportunists and that they conspire but grand conspiracies are extraordinarily complex beasts to manage, increasing their likelihood of failure. That there is a problem to be solved no one denies. The definition of the problem and the path to solution are what are in question. I understand your frustration and I suggest that there is a common ground between you and Norton. If there is to be any progress on the problem, finding that common ground is probably the way to go. It's just a suggestion.

 

[donkeybals]

when did a little nazi bitch ever say that?

Nazi as in stickler for rules and guidliness. The word has evolved. Get with it, get with it.

 

[Saru Inc]

I don't think anyone "should" be doubting that he's dead. Unless Obama really is a bigger douche than I thought. I think all that we should be doubting is who is taking responsibility for who, and is this the start of the end? And I don't think we can know the answers to 2 out of 3 of these things.


Off topic: I'm watching an infomercial about George Foreman's "Life Shake." Basically a protein shake. I started laughing because like, all teh success stories just say stupid stuff like "I dropped 4 sizes with just good diet, rigourous exercise and a Lovely Life Shake everyday!" Ok, but how many lbs were lost, and like. Yeah. Derpda der. I hope with good diet and *rigorous* excercise you lost weight. oh lordy lord.

 

[Wyote]

I love seeing Godwin's law in action.

 

[slant]

I think you should all calm down. This is not a PUG thread.

 

[donkeybals]

I find it hilarious that people are able to suspend their beliefs to the point where they can believe that one person can be responsible for events as catastrophic and destructive as the 9/11.

Osama Bin Laden was just the scapegoat. A symbol of terrorism for people to hate. Like Hitler, but a lot more passive - an idea/image of a person we are told to despise and blame our issues on.

I don't watch the news anymore because it's manipulative and often resorts to fear mongering and such techniques to control people's opinions/views, rather than providing the facts. As far as I'm concerned, this is another piece of news to manipulate me into thinking "Everything is going to be okay! We are all safe!". Well, no, nothing is going to be okay, nothing is going to change. This is bullshit.

We don't even know if he is really dead, or just being announced as dead for any number of purposes.

I disagree. Americans were made quite aware that it was not only bin landen, but terrorist organizations. Bin landen was the brain behind the 911 attacks. Or do you think the whole thing is conspiracy? Trust me you should feel 1000% safer with the united states being the top dog here. It would be ape sh*t if a terrorist organization was really powerful. They force their religious beliefs on others and their military tactics are disgusting - killing innocent civilians. They don't value human lifes and just want power. US isn't perfect, no country is. But I feel happy and safe living here. And I feel obama can't win with some americans, he just killed the most wanted man in america for years, and what he gets is "oh big deal obama doesn't do sh*t and he's crooked bin laden was just a scapegoat blah blah blah". Bullshit.