Feminism and it's impact on today's society
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I dont know any women who cook these daysound: sandwich is a running gag here at home lol are we getting to the topic if only women should "cook" sandwiches?
I am going to poke on the OP with the utmost gentleness:
At the very least, I've had this feeling that OP is not looking for a different type of answer from what she had in mind (and thus, why I'm leaving) and apparently, I'm a bit right in this.
Then I think the feeling extends beyond the OP...
anyway, we -can- agree to disagree about how a man or woman should look and/or act without putting the other down, can't we?
At the very least, I've had this feeling that OP is not looking for a different type of answer from what she had in mind (and thus, why I'm leaving) and apparently, I'm a bit right in this.
Then I think the feeling extends beyond the OP...
anyway, we -can- agree to disagree about how a man or woman should look and/or act without putting the other down, can't we?
Well, I cook every day, just about, and I really don't see how people could exist without a detailed meal plan at least a week in advance.
And Irena, I was not trying to pick on you, so if it seemed that way I apologize. It's just, I've seen plenty of pictures of real, actual people from the past and frankly my dear (jk), they looked more like unhappy toothless hillbillies with ten children than Rhett Butler. So I'm not seeing how the general appearance of most people has gotten somehow less virile. If they all really looked like Rhett Butler in the past, I'd agree with you, but the ones I've seen definitely didn't.
And Irena, I was not trying to pick on you, so if it seemed that way I apologize. It's just, I've seen plenty of pictures of real, actual people from the past and frankly my dear (jk), they looked more like unhappy toothless hillbillies with ten children than Rhett Butler. So I'm not seeing how the general appearance of most people has gotten somehow less virile. If they all really looked like Rhett Butler in the past, I'd agree with you, but the ones I've seen definitely didn't.
Feminism is about equality, extremists can be found everywhere and anywhere. The extremists don't define the term... In the end of the day, when granted freedom, people can be who they are more naturally, and if you like naturally strong men, i'm sure you wouldn't want to marry someone who appears a 'naturally strong man' and inside he is gay and hiding in the closet for the rest of his life just because of the society around him. This is very common by the way. And no i'm not gay.
Edit: So now you can distinguish more between what you like and what you don't(choose a man which fits you the most).
Some Real women let men boss them around all the time. Who are you to judge the real ness of a females woman status?
man that isn't bossed around:
Maybe she means these guys?:
[video=youtube;LlFAd4YdQks]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlFAd4YdQks[/video]
'If you don't like it, leave?'
That's not very open-minded.
I do think that men have changed, but I don't think it's because of feminism. People get softer when life is easier, and life is definitely easier. There's no conscription, less agriculture, and less manufacturing... a lot of the classic 'working man' jobs are moving to the developing world, and a lot of construction companies are turning to immigrant exploitation to cut costs. I've even heard arguments saying that a lot of guys simply don't want to work in factories or on farms anymore.
Still, if you get out of the urban areas and into the places where hunting and fishing are popular, you'll probably find more 'manly' men... they won't necessarily be the brightest bulbs in the chandelier however.
I also don't think that most women are like Xena Warrior Princess. They're still women except now they have more job opportunities. That doesn't make them into men. I really don't see how working in geology or a medical lab makes you 'masculine'. I guess if they're becoming cops or firefighters or soldiers, then they're probably going to be more like men but most of the women I know are in the classic 'woman' jobs like nursing and teaching, or in white-collar jobs that require degrees and are more mentally/socially demanding than physically demanding. I do think that on the whole, men do better in the more brutally competitive atmospheres, however-- corporate culture, politics and trading come to mind. I would imagine that those kinds of jobs would take quite a toll on anyone.
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I thought it was obvious from my post that I found the term "real man" or "real woman" to be asinine. If it wasn't, let me say it now; the terms "real man" and "real woman" are asinine. I was questioning the validity of the term in the post that I quoted in the post you quoted from me.
I didn't say anything about gentlemen. And neither did you, originally.
You said life was boring for you etc., because of feminism.
I personally appreciate courtesy so if you open the door for a woman, kudos.
I was talking about the equality aspect.
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My personal opinion is that a healthy, confident woman would not endure things like her boyfriend/husband commanding her around all the time just to feel in control. But if it's about something like letting a man make final decisions about important decisions concerning their life together, and has a practical purpose, like buying a house or a car, I believe that doesn't take away any of woman's worth.
I meant to say that men are the ones who need to evaluate what being a real woman is, not that they will decide if the woman will be bossed around. I think that being a real woman involves several other factors besides this one.
If you were going to objectively measure a woman's attractiveness, you would obviously make a poll asking a number of heterosexual men how attractive they find her. Every one of them would give their subjective opinion, but the result based on the opinion of majority of those questioned would be objective if the number of participants was representative enough. You will not measure a woman's attractiveness by asking heterosexual women if they find her attractive. Same thing with objectively evaluating if a woman is a real woman or not, and if a man is a real man. At least I believe so, but you are entitled to disagree.
If you or any other woman want to evaluate by yourself if you're a real woman that's fine, but for me it doesn't have any objective value.
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The way I understand what you've said is this; real men won't be bossed around by women, and not being bossed around is a marker of a "real" man. However, you also just said, I think, that a real woman won't be bossed around either, if a real woman is healthy and confident, or whatever. What I was trying to determine, which has only gotten more and more convoluted, was whether or not you felt it was right for men to boss women around. Your distinctive marker for a real man was not to be bossed around, and that seemingly implies that you think women should accept being bossed around, because not accepting it is too masculine for women. However, you seem to now be saying that women shouldn't be bossed around either, so your original statement that a real man isn't bossed around, thus making the not-being-bossed-around a marker of masculinity, not actually a marker of masculinity, but rather a marker of a confident and well-adjusted human being. Honestly though, I'm having a hard time following your thinking as it jumps around from place to place, and doesn't seem to address the questions posed to you, but rather takes the conversation in a new direction.
Also, I'm not a woman.
She's trolling that's why. She already explained the intent of this thread was to troll. She didn't say it in those words but it's basically what she said.