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  1. I do Believe in UFO's. (they are real)

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  2. I do not Believe in UFO's (it is not happening)

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    For years I was in love with a physically beautiful woman. ( I wish I knew her MBTI). Now she teaches Tia Massage. She is, and was very much a hippy and new ager, in the best sense. She was my "go to" person when I needed to finally get a place to myself as I approached my late twenties (i.e. no roommates) and then, when that most excellent pad was sold to developers, she hooked me up with a Quonset hut in the foothills west of Boulder which belonged to the man she had been with for the past few years. The place needed a little work before I could move in and I was helping the man, Jufree, with some repairs. He was also a hard core hippy and new ager, and was almost a decade older than me. He was an N.D. which is some kinda wholistic medicine practitioner. ( I, in my jealousy, told folks that it meant " not a Doctor")
    At any rate, it was a great place, at a good rent, and he was not evil incarnate. So as we worked he told me a lot of stuff about his life. Things that related to the place, his first marriage, his kid, living in a school bus on the land before he bought the Quonset from C.U.... I liked him. He was genial and earnest and told stories that related to my paternal instincts.
    Finally, after a day or two of working together we were done, and then he told me this story. Years earlier he was working with some famous UFO abductee researcher who was based in Boulder. They were interviewing folks who claimed to be abducted by UFOs and also putting them into hypnotic trances to further the investigation. One subject, under hypnosis, revealed that the Aliens realized that she was incapable of communicating with them so they placed a subconscious message in her mind with instructions on how an individual, who was more prepared to deal with them, could contact them.
    Having heard this he could not resist attempting the technique. He retreated to his Quonset out in the forested hills west of Boulder and, alone, did "the thing", and waited. He waited several days, but nothing happened, so he figured she was either misinformed or misaligned and let it go. In the interim his brother had come to town looking for a place to stay so Jufree gave him the Quonset and went back into town to the house he shared with his wife and child.
    Sure enough, as the brother slept one night up there, the Aliens came. The brother was horrified, reporting that they were "grotesque" and the whole experience was like a nightmare. Jufree surmised that his brother was unprepared for what was happening and that he should have realized that the Alien's timing would be very different from ours.
    When he finished the story I said something like, wow, cool story, and then he said " I have told that story to a lot of people and you are the first person who did not ask me what the technique is to summon the Aliens"
    I was polite and asked him how to summon the Aliens and he told me that he couldn't tell because it was just too dangerous.
    Up until that point in my life I was very open minded about UFO sightings and the possibility of the reality of extraterrestrials visiting the earth. I had recently read Jung's take on disc sightings. After hearing Jufree's story I was convinced that the whole UFO thing was a switch and bait for "God" and "Angels"(Not that I am positing that they don't exist here, but that I was having issues with their existence.)
    I didn't ask him how to contact the Aliens because I had concluded that his story, regardless of what he believed, could not possibly be true, I did not believe. Period.
     
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    I don't know about UFO's but a friend was telling me recently that there are as many stars in our galaxy as there are grains of sand on a beach and there are as many galaxies in the universe as there are grains of sand on a beach.

    If that is the case, you gotta wonder about the possibility of life on other planets.
     
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    UFOs? Sure, I'm pretty much utterly convinced that UFOs (that is Unidentified Flying Objects) exist, I see a whole bunch of them every day. Mostly though they're probably just birds, or insects, or something similarly mundane.

    Now, do I think that some of these UFOs are aliens from another planet? No, I think it highly unlikely, if for no other reason than that space is extraordinarily vast.

    The chances that a sufficiently advanced enough alien race have not only noticed us, but have taken such an interest in us that they've used that advanced knowledge to traverse the vastness of space (and at a rate that would make the journey worthwhile) simply to float around a bit, cut up a few cows and probe a few hicks are, IMO, virtually nil.
     
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    UFO's include animals? I didn't think animals counted as objects
     
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    "Object: anything that is visible or tangible and is relatively stable in form." (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/object)

    Unidentified Flying Objects really are simply that, objects that (EDIT: appear to) fly and have yet to be identified.
     
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    I only voted yes because I believe that there is some life out there somewhere (it's just too big for us to be the only ones, but maybe they all aren't carbon based...maybe something else entirely), and that would leave the possibility of alien "space-craft".
     
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    Sure I believe in them, I can't believe that we are the only planet that holds life forms. I am sure there have been visits to Earth from other worlds, and I also believe that there are many universes, not just our own.
     
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    I said yes on a scientific basis. I agree with your conclusion that the story had to be false.
     
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    Mostly, I just find the entire idea irrelevant. Like ghosts. But if either of these things were proven to exist, I'd find it interesting.
     
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    What she said. It is 50/50 in my mind until proven true or false. The is still some plausibility in the idea, but that's about it.
     
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    if you mean aliens, yeah I think they're a definite possibility. there are many earth-like planets around sun-like stars out there in the universe, and it seems entirely plausible that at least a few of them would be inhabited by living creatures. I very much doubt we'll ever directly contact them though, at least not in our lifetimes.
     
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    This would be a no vote as the question I am exploring is about sentient extra terrestrials visiting our happy planet.
     
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    Scientific, as in there probably are ETs visiting earth ; or as a result of logical exploration of physical evidence?
     
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    On the basis of what scientific data should I believe in UFO's?
     
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    I would count your vote as a no. You are not a "believer" in UFO's interactions with humanity.
     
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    A lot of UFO mythology. Its hard to cut through the crap to get to first hand information.

    My question: One of the astronauts reported a UFO landing while in the military. He reported up the chain of command and claims his video footage of the event was confiscated. Years later he was launched into space (in the Mercury program, I think). Why would the military spend tons of dollars to test the mental and physical stability of astronauts, and then lunch a crazy man into space?

    My suspicion: Either they thought of him as a human monkey, :m107:
    or they didn't think he was crazy.
     
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    By request, here's a little info on the astronaut:

    Gordon Cooper. Flew both Mercury and Gemini missions.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordon_Cooper <=== Obviously, this is Wikipedia: Good for a summary but you'll want a more reliable source. Follow the links. I've seen videos of him talking about it.

    It looks like I had part of the story wrong. He was in charge of the two guys who took the film and didn't see it live himself. That weakens the story, but still interesting.
     
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    ugh, triple post/ Stupid browser!
     
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    I wish I knew her MBTI > Probably ESTP. (eg: Madonna, kabbalah etc)

    I simply follow the latest data. Currently, it's easy to accept the pan-spermia theory, because bacteria can survive in radiation and vacuum. Most likely there are micro-organic forms of life around the cosmos. Anything more complex than that is hard to predict. Highly complex life may turn out to be unsustainable; like an explosion. We are part of this explosion, but let's see how much it can last. Of course, I'm optimist, but not to the point of conviction.
     
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    There seems little doubt that he believed his own lying eyes. I was also intrigued by the reported sighting over O'Hare airport, what two years ago? I believe at our core humans are disposed to accept irrational truths. While that is important for us spiritually, it does not make it empirically true.
     
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