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[ENTJ] The First 2020 Presidential Debate (Biden vs Trump)

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Who won the debate?

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  1. Biden.

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  2. Trump.

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    I don't know if this was already posted or not.
     
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    I think that the fact Trump was able to ridicule Presidential Debate (hence Joe) is a win for him. But I am an Indian, an outsider, so u guys know better
     
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    This is how Trump's supporters think. I know too many and all they seem to care about is that childish taunting and the bully scoreboard.

    I'm watching first hand, in horror, as my brother (Trump supporter) uses his new found financial power of attorney over my mom's accounts to control her and make her vote his way. While I've told her to not tell him how she's voting, it's nobody's business but hers, she's upset that the one child she fully trusts is doing this. Trump supporters really don't have any respect for others.
     
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  4. Reason

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    Trump didn't say that
     
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  5. Reason

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    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-coronavirus-rally-remark/
    What's True
    During a Feb. 28, 2020, campaign rally in South Carolina, President Donald Trump likened the Democrats' criticism of his administration's response to the new coronavirus outbreak to their efforts to impeach him, saying "this is their new hoax." During the speech he also seemed to downplay the severity of the outbreak, comparing it to the common flu.

    What's False
    Despite creating some confusion with his remarks, Trump did not call the coronavirus itself a hoax.
     
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    You must admit that the man, and how he communicates, is simply unsuited to this level of leadership.
     
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    Why?

    Because media outlets chop what he says out of context to misrepresent him? How does he have control over that?
     
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    I agree fully with what you're saying here. There are almost no news networks that are bipartisan anymore and they don't hesitate to jump on the opportunity to make the opponent look bad.

    When I question the message (frequently) I look to news sources from outside the US.

    That said, Trump has a 3rd grade level of communication. He's just not articulate and never cared to be. He doesn't really care that his message carries correctly either, just that it gets attention.
     
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    I think you hit it on the nail here @MoonFlier. I think he really could if he wanted to, but he just doesn't care.

    edit(add): I've watched his interviews from the 1980s and 1990s, and he's way more articulate and clear than he is now.
     
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    They definitely do that, and the 'Proud Boys dog whistle' was an example of that, but he definitely speaks off the cuff with a confusing and dangerous level of imprecision.

    Like the bleach thing... if he was 'being sarcastic' or not (and personally I don't think he was), then what the fuck is he doing communicating that to the American public with a straight face? Are people supposed to be able to decipher a sense of humour so dry that it's indistinguishable from sincerity while listening to a press conference on public health from the actual President?

    At the very least, it's wildly irresponsible.
     
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    @Pin Here it is, looks like it's ultimately Engels in origin (sorry! lol).

    Here's my notes:

    John H. Goldthorpe and David Lockwood et al., The Affluent Worker in the Class Structure (Cambridge, 1969)

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    You've finally hit on something that is actually a lie. He definitely wasn't being sarcastic. I understand he wanted to brush it aside and go back on the attack during the debate but I don't believe that that was sarcasm. I don't think people who actually support Trump believe that either.

    He should have just said it was nonsense and moved on instead of lying.
     
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    You are taking me a bit too seriously. I never remember seeing anything about Trump saying it was a hoax, but I've heard plenty from his supporters saying that. I've heard everything from "COVID is a hoax perpetrated by the Biden campaign" to "I was injected with COVID as part of a left-wing plot".

    It's just crazies saying shit that's funny. I was also giving the left shit for their cancel culture and basically eating themselves years ago, but the crazy has swung to the right now, imo.
     
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    Trump has stated that he has an obligation to fill RBG's seat asap. He said that he was elected to serve a full term, and this was part of it.

    Now today he has stated that Republicans should stop negotiating with Democrats until after the election... He says he plans to pass a new stimulus bill after he is reelected.

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    He also thinks SCOTUS will end up determining the results of the election. So there you go.
     
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    he should be replaced. . immediately. he is suffering increased delusions due to pneumonia and steroid use
     
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    It's so hard to tell when you INTPs are joking
     
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    He's like this every day.
     
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    Too soon :(
     
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