The death of God
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I can do this literally forever.
edit: also I'm not going to do this literally forever.
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Completely going to ignore the rest of that argument, because reasons and then ask a question. If humans can not independently conceptualize deity without being taught about deities, then how did someone come up with the idea of God?
This started off as just me trying to make note of the proper usage of the word belief, i haven't once criticized or argued against atheism or anybody else's beliefs for that matter. But you know what that is obliviously what you want so let's do this, let's argue about religion over the internet.
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Yes. I hear many folks today saying that Nietzche has lost contact with reality when he made his own philosophy, nihilism.
I think is one of the few atheist who got the atheism right, with all its implication. Nietzche was one of the few who understood the full implications of the inexistence of God.
The Bible does tell us to fear God. But the Bible doens't tell us to do good works and run from evil out of fear of God. We are said to do good for goodness sake, to be lovely for love sake, and all these moral standarts, whih is good, exists and are in the nature of God. You bring many interesting points, hope we'll talk about them a bit more later
No PM, so [EMAIL=" [MENTION=5045]Skarekrow[/MENTION]" [MENTION=5045]Skarekrow[/MENTION][/EMAIL], I do not like watching movies where these beautiful deer are prancing around in their herd, little ones playing by jumping at each other, and the wolves move in. They single out a young one and force it to death, then eat it right there on the spot in front of the other deer. Sometimes others fight for the carcass, so one of the wolves drags the kill away. Birds come. You get the picture. I think about the guy filming it.
Next, this photographer takes us in TV land off to somewhere icy cold, where the baby seals are learning to swim. Great white sharks approach and attack them for food. Some of the sharks actually throw their pup into the air many times like they are playing with it. Baby, can we change the channel?
When I was a child we had an aquarium with guppies, and several other types of fish. The female guppies were amazing in that we could see the babies inside her. When she had a baby, she just dropped it into the water in no specific place. We would say, "Hurry, hurry up, hurry" to see them make it to the bottom where they just might have a chance to hide. Gulp; there went another one.
Lions killing the young so they can get to the lioness...The lioness hides her cubs. The baby seals try to hurry out of the water. Look at how jumpy a wild deer is. They live in fear; fear I know nothing about. That is, unless a bolt of lightning strike next to me with a roaring thunder. Holy smokes at first; feeling really small here; I'm still alive; man was I lucky. All those thoughts in about a minute.
I truly wish for you to have a better understanding. Through counsel with friends this morning, I will try my best not to bother you about it any longer. I tried several times squared and failed. I pray you ask for serenity. I ask it for you.
Next, this photographer takes us in TV land off to somewhere icy cold, where the baby seals are learning to swim. Great white sharks approach and attack them for food. Some of the sharks actually throw their pup into the air many times like they are playing with it. Baby, can we change the channel?
When I was a child we had an aquarium with guppies, and several other types of fish. The female guppies were amazing in that we could see the babies inside her. When she had a baby, she just dropped it into the water in no specific place. We would say, "Hurry, hurry up, hurry" to see them make it to the bottom where they just might have a chance to hide. Gulp; there went another one.
Lions killing the young so they can get to the lioness...The lioness hides her cubs. The baby seals try to hurry out of the water. Look at how jumpy a wild deer is. They live in fear; fear I know nothing about. That is, unless a bolt of lightning strike next to me with a roaring thunder. Holy smokes at first; feeling really small here; I'm still alive; man was I lucky. All those thoughts in about a minute.
I truly wish for you to have a better understanding. Through counsel with friends this morning, I will try my best not to bother you about it any longer. I tried several times squared and failed. I pray you ask for serenity. I ask it for you.
Argument- an exchange of divergent or opposite views
Your question is an argument. My question is an argument, my reply to your question would be an argument and unless we reached consensus your response would be as well an argument. Also it's a tautology.
Edit: assuming you can get to point prior to theism in the history of human thought, you would either still retroactively refer to them as atheist do to current understanding of their being a duality of thought. Atheism requires a duality, an opposite, to be a word with any kind of meaning. In a world without deity or a notion of deity then their wouldn't be a word for atheism. These words exsit for the purpose of classification and sorting they exist independent of your beliefs.
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What i admire in him is that he tried to go further nihilism, and in many ways he did, the death of god when put in a context (when someone reads his books and tries to get an idea of what he really tried to do) is a tragic but very beautiful statement.
Yes, I agree. He was a very strong man, althought I don't agree at al with his philosophy.
I heard that right before his death he said something like "Mother, I'm stupid". Interesting, huh?
Ha, i didn't knew that, funny, even if it's not true, i could still picture him saying it.
Errr...ok. Back to your point about about conceiving of God on ones own. A person alone might convenience of an imaginary friend. This could be God. A person drinking from a lead lined cup might hear voices. This could be God. Whether or not a person would or would not conceive of God on their own is an argument that cant be proven again. People want God to exist so it does.
I have a pretty good understanding....I truly believe that the Bible contains wonderful morals, wonderful teaching parables, and if try your live your life as Jesus lived his then I feel you would be a very kind, honest person.
I was not implying that YOU personally were living your life in fear of the Lord....I was stating that there are many Christians...and other religions to boot, that stress fear in God....or at least his wrath. Just as children love and respect their Father, so I believe that is the relationship many have with God....and just like children, they fear his wrath...him getting the belt to whack you on the rear end.
You see...I don’t fear his wrath....because my Father in my heart, would never cause me harm....he wouldn’t punish me for being ignorant to something....and in this life here on earth - we are all truly ignorant. You may disagree with me on all those points...that is fine...my original point was none of us have the right to profess that we have it all figured out...because we don’t....not Atheists, not Christians, etc, etc....
None of us will ever really know what lies beyond the veil until we cross the veil itself.
And what if you were wrong about it all? Well, so what...then you lived your life as a good, compassionate person.
And what if you have it right and I have it backward? Then two things can occur...
God, being my creator and Father will know my heart and soul and understand why I feel the way I feel - end of story...if he truly knew what was in my heart, he would see no ill will there...only curiosity and a failure to hold onto faith.
Or...
God is wrathful and I will go to Hell...and the whole time I am there I will continue to disagree with God as a wrathful being...someone who is unjustly punishing me for minor offenses.
But you see...a just God....an understanding God will not punish anyone for being a good person regardless of his/her religious beliefs. A just God understands that there are certain mentalities, backgrounds, ethnicity’s, etc., that create and enable us to believe or not believe certain things. That is why our country is so full of Christians....that is why Saudi’s are Muslim...sure it doesn’t mean you are unable to learn about and change religions or beliefs, but if it means your family disowning you or not, it certainly hinders things.
You don’t have to convert me @just me....you shouldn’t worry about my soul...I am okay with where I am and where I may end up...because there either is or isn’t a God...if there isn’t, there isn’t....but I still believe that there is something after this life here. If there is, and God is all knowing, then that would also cause him to be just through his infinite knowledge and wisdom...and I whole-heartedly am not afraid that such a God would punish me.
That is just what seems right and true to me...you can hold your own opinion...that was what I was originally promoting.
Cheers.
You mean cosmologists?
I haven't heard what a lot have to say about philosophy, but I have heard some pretty poor attempts at philosophy by some. Lawerence Krauss for example has had an issue with a lot of philosophers lately because he's been trying to say nothing is not nothing.
