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    Fyi, https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51039520

    Iran and the US are on a stand-down now, after having a rocket strike retaliation on a US base....0 casualities according to the US, 80 deaths according to Iran; both parties seem "fine" with the result....which is kind of surprising that
    they took such a "diplomatic" turn. I'd expect an escalation from Trump.

    And in other news.... https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-m...th-of-ukrainian-passenger-plane-crash-in-iran

    So yeah....
     
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    Yay de-escalation!
     
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    Now let's leave the middle east since Iraq has handed us a diplomatic mandate to do so
     
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    Ugh. Classic manipulation. Put a dumbass on a very powerful position and everything will collapse.
     
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    That's a serious problem. He knows he is powerful, he just doesn't understand the complete and complex repercussions of his power. Even more so, he is dumb and vulnerable to manipulation. Argh.

    Whatever. My president is pulling out all our workers from Iran. If he's not yet doing that for America, we good.
     
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    Personally the difference in the casualties reported has damaged my trust of the state sponsored Iranian news. I can't believe that a government that is shooting hundreds of protestors in the streets would lie. :m083:
     
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    Of course none of this concluded the issue of Iranian backed militias running about taking shots at American soldiers. At least they lost the guy who was coordinating all that Tom fuckery.

    Still the situation isn't going to change, the middle east will always be a radioactive dumpster fire.
     
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    Never thought I'd find myself thanking God for Sens. Lee and Paul but here we are. Only 2 Republicans willing to question this decision. Republicans are so willing to just hand all authority over to the president when they should be checking him.
     
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    Remember when they called Obama a "King" for ordering excessing drone strikes?
    They huffed and puffed and whined and cried...oh, the moral outrage!
    Eventually, they added extra conditions required for such a strike to minimize the "collateral damage" (dead civilians).
    Still, they were so happy that Trump was going to put an end to such dictatorial actions!

    To date - more drone strikes in Yemen than all 8 years of Obama...drone strikes as a whole are up everywhere as well.
    And....remember that moral outrage?
    Trump tore up the required conditions to minimize casualties.

    Why isn't Fox news on fire from such outrageous overuse and misuse of drone strikes?
    The same goes for all the Conservatives who proclaimed some moral high ground when it was Obama and are quiet as mice now.

    I find the whole idea crazy to begin with....imagine a foreign country circling your own with drones and taking shots blowing up shit they don't like from time to time...maybe a few women and children will get killed.....or a hospital will "accidentally" get hit.
    It's as if we've given Trump (and every other POTUS) a remote-control license to kill.
    Then when you add someone like Trump, who has no clue about international relations, laws, history, words in books, diplomacy, warfare, etc.
    (It's quite a long ass list), it's really scary.
    At least Obama seemed to understand the consequences of his actions.
    Can't say that for our current superstar.
     
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    But that would undo all the 'work' of the last few decades in attempting to outcircle Iran in Afghanistan and Iraq in the first place.

    What's annoying here is that the structure of government in the US empowers the executive to ignore long-term strategy at a whim. This is a very very dangerous time for the US's strategic position as the Pax Americana comes to an end, and I don't think positioning someone very impulsive in this short-term executive position is particularly wise.

    Lmao
     
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    He technically isn't supposed to have such powers - https://libertyclassroom.com/warpowers/

    “The president has the power to initiate hostilities without consulting Congress.”


    Ever since the Korean War, Article II, Section 2 of the Constitution – which refers to the president as the “Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States” – has been interpreted this way.

    But what the framers actually meant by that clause was that once war has been declared, it was the President’s responsibility as commander-in-chief to direct the war. Alexander Hamilton spoke in such terms when he said that the president, although lacking the power to declare war, would have “the direction of war when authorized or begun.” The president acting alone was authorized only to repel sudden attacks (hence the decision to withhold from him only the power to “declare” war, not to “make” war, which was thought to be a necessary emergency power in case of foreign attack).
     
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    Interesting.

    Well an act of war was committed, and the president felt like he had the power to make that decision.
     
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