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NFPs have strongly individualistic streaks and tend to view things as black and white, so his work is not in tune to the way NFPs tend to think.

Individualism =/= black and white thinking. When used properly the Fi + Ne combo in NFPs can be incredibly effective at getting into other people's skins and seeing things from their point of view. So I think the habit of seeing things in black and white may be true for less well developed NFPs, but definitely not so for the healthier kind, and I've never seen any indication that Miyazaki is anything less than a emotionally healthy and well developed individual.

There is also a value orientation and expressed detail to the relationships between the characters which is very indicative of Fe.
Could you clarify this a little for me? What do you mean by "value orientation" and "expressed detail"?

Take into account that he is a director, which a very extroverted position and I think a strong case can be made that he is an ENFJ who is using his chosen art to try to save the world.
Even if we indulge in the rather chancey issue of determining type based on profession, Miyazaki started his career as an animator and only later on progressed into directing, and animators are more likely to be intraverts than extraverts.
 
Take into account that he is a director, which a very extroverted position and I think a strong case can be made that he is an ENFJ who is using his chosen art to try to save the world. I also see no evidence to indicate that he works from an sort of "alter ego".

I would say, it's just as likely that an INFJ would do this, because it forces them to use their Fe and one could become a temporary ENFJ whilst doing the production process of a film. Or not even that, they could just use their secondary Fe as normal to use their particular art or career for the benefit of people. (That's what I do, anyway)
 
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Individualism =/= black and white thinking. When used properly the Fi + Ne combo in NFPs can be incredibly effective at getting into other people's skins and seeing things from their point of view. So I think the habit of seeing things in black and white may be true for less well developed NFPs, but definitely not so for the healthier kind, and I've never seen any indication that Miyazaki is anything less than a emotionally healthy and well developed individual.

I'm sorry, but I think NFPs are rather characterized by their black and white thinking, whether healthy or unhealthy. It is just something I have observed in the type.

I never suggested that individualism is the same as dichotomous thinking, nor would it make any sense to do so. I only argued individualism because Miyzaki's films have a characteristic collectivism theme to them. The whole, "we are in it together" concept can be found in several of his films.

Could you clarify this a little for me? What do you mean by "value orientation" and "expressed detail"?
Rather than being fact or detail oriented, the films largely move in tune to certain underlying values. Furthermore, the relationships between the characters tend to a driving force behind all the action.

Even if we indulge in the rather chancey issue of determining type based on profession, Miyazaki started his career as an animator and only later on progressed into directing, and animators are more likely to be intraverts than extraverts.
I would say the fact that he has excelled so well in a profession which requires a great deal of extroversion is strong evidence that he is an extrovert, but I will agree that profession alone is not enough to decide or even a particularly good indicator. Furthermore, I disagree that animators are necessarily introverted given the large quantities of teamwork that are required to pull together a project.


I think where we can agree is that he seems to be an NF of some sort.
 
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I think a strong case can be made that he is an ENFJ who is using his chosen art to try to save the world.

While I would love to claim him as an ENFJ (and I'm not saying I don't) Miyazaki is clearly one of those people who have well developed functions outside the scope of the normal type pattern (like me!).

Miyazaki's work focuses strongly on the 'shoulds' of society (Fe) and characters who 'just know' the answers (Ni), but these characters almost always think outside the box (Ne) and are very sensitive souls (Fi).

Miyazaki's main characters are almost always NFPs or NFJs.

Nausicaa
Yupaa
Satsuki
Kiki
Mononoke
Ashitaka
Haku
Chihiro
Howl
Sophie

and the list goes on and on...

After seeing interviews with him, I don't think he's an extrovert, honestly. I believe he is a well developed INFJ (good Fe, Ti, and Se, combined with effective Ne and Fi). If he is an ENFJ, that would explain the INFP leanings he has from time to time.

Remember, Beebe proposed that the shadow functions are inherently toxic. Others who continued his work see the shadow functions as something that once developed can be extremely beneficial to an individual, helping them be much more well rounded.
 
I'm sorry, but I think NFPs are rather characterized by their black and white thinking, whether healthy or unhealthy. It is just something I have observed in the type.

I'd have to disagree, Fi can certainly lead to black/white judgements (just as Fe can) but Ne and dichotomous thinking are practically mutually exclusive. In INFPs especially it's a pretty fundamental aspect of our development that improving our Ne brings it more under our control, which allows us to avoid using it solely to gather evidence that supports our Fi judgements, and instead allows us to use it to gather information that informs our judgements.

This is what lets us see things very well from other people's perspectives, as PersonalityPage puts it:

INFPs who have developed their Extraverted iNtuition to the extent that they can perceive the world about them objectively and quickly will find that they enjoy these very special gifts:

* They will have a great deal of insight into people's characters. They will quickly and thoroughly understand where a person is coming from by assessing their motives and feelings. These well-developed INFP individuals make outstanding psychologists (such as Isabel Briggs Myers herself) and counselors. They might also be great fiction writers, because they're able to develop very complex, real characters.

(http://www.personalitypage.com/INFP_per.html)
A similar situation exists for ENFPs, but for them I think that it's more that by developing their Fi they bring it under concious control more, and so its judgements become less knee-jerky and more balanced, restrained and refined.

Be careful not to confuse our (*NFPs) natural tendency to have strongly held internal values with an inability to bend, compromise or see things from other people's points of view. We're Feelers just like you Fe types, and as such we too place a lot of value on things like harmony, peaceful conflict resolution and understanding others.

I never suggested that individualism is the same as dichotomous thinking, nor would it make any sense to do so. I only argued individualism because Miyzaki's films have a characteristic collectivism theme to them. The whole, "we are in it together" concept can be found in several of his films.
Hmm, yeah, I can see that. But there is still that common trend in a lot of his films about doing your own thing no matter the opposition, such as in Kiki's Delivery Service, or Porco Rosso ("A pig's gotta fly.").

Rather than being fact or detail oriented, the films largely move in tune to certain underlying values. Furthermore, the relationships between the characters tend to a driving force behind all the action.
Yeah that's definitely implies NF-ness, but not IMO specifically Fe.

I would say the fact that he has excelled so well in a profession which requires a great deal of extroversion is strong evidence that he is an extrovert, but I will agree that profession alone is not enough to decide or even a particularly good indicator.
IMO success in a profession is no indication whatsoever of a particular personality type, any type can succeed in any profession, certain types are just less likely to be attracted to certain professions in the first place. Also, Miyazaki didn't set out to become a director, IIRC it's a role he only stepped into because he grew tired of working on other people's projects and wanted to get some of his own ideas out instead.

Furthermore, I disagree that animators are necessarily introverted given the large quantities of teamwork that are required to pull together a project.
Well, you can see for yourself from the career recommendations on the various description websites that animator comes up overwhelmingly more often for intraverts than for extraverts. Animation does require a certain amount of teamwork, especially in the planning and finalisation stages, but the vast bulk of the work itself involves sitting on your own for hours on end drawing stuff, something that in general is much more appealing to an intravert than an extravert.

I think where we can agree is that he seems to be an NF of some sort.
Yes, I dabbled with ISFP as a possibility earlier in the thread but the arguments for him definitely being an iNtuitive have (so far) been very convincing.
 
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NFPs have strongly individualistic streaks and tend to view things as black and white, so his work is not in tune to the way NFPs tend to think. You can tell Miyazaki is very progressive, which would be very unusual for an SJ who tend to believe in enforcing the status quo and traditions, and he is very in tune with his intuition given the underlying symbolic patterns of his movies.

I half agree. He is no NFP: although he is highly intuitive, his movies don't have the explicit message that I would expect from Ne.

He is socialist, which for me points to FJ.

For all the comparison of Ghibli to Disney, I see a big difference - Disney is all about the money. Ghibli is very serious about integrity:
The company is well-known for its strict "no-edits" policy in licensing their films abroad [...] The "no cuts" policy was highlighted when Miramax co-chairman Harvey Weinstein suggested editing Princess Mononoke to make it more marketable. In response, a Studio Ghibli producer sent an authentic katana with a simple message: "No cuts".http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Studio_Ghibli#cite_note-2

For all the intuitive messages in his movies, I'm not convinced he's an INFJ. He simultaneously considers himself a pessimist, yet makes movies that nurture the idealism of children. Porco Rosso was his only film not made primarily for children, and I sort of see Porco as representing Miyazaki - disillusioned by the real world, but not wanting to spread that view onto younger people (Fio).

I think he's an IxFJ.
 
Spirited Away bored the hell out of me, and none of the others interest me at all.
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Apparently not...I like a lot of different ones, but this stuff just irritates me for some reason. I don't really know why.
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Apparently not...I like a lot of different ones, but this stuff just irritates me for some reason. I don't really know why.
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I guess it isn't for everyone. But I love it.