I'm impressed by how popular this topic is. It never ends.
Please, don't mind me. Continue (for real, I have nothing against it).
Please, don't mind me. Continue (for real, I have nothing against it).
As much as I appreciate that you can be direct with others, there are many out there who are very uncomfortable with being that way.
I agree with this statement. It seems that if opposing opinions and ideologies are shared, the minority get stripped down and attacked by those s/he "insults". It is not insulting for someone to have a different outlook on spirituality than myself. It is not insulting me when they share their own views and experiences with it, or even lack thereof. But perhaps that is just me. It is insulting, however, when people gang up on those that have the balls to share an opinion that differs from the majority.
Agreed. I think there is a clear difference between "Let's discuss this because my views are different than yours, and here's why.." and attacking a different view and using things such as age and someone's own opinion against against her/himself as ammunition because you disagree with their views on a deep and personal level.
[MENTION=10759]BrokenDaniel[/MENTION]
I can see what you're saying and you do bring up valid points. It is bound to happen. Of course it is. My first post in this very thread stated such. It is naive to believe that it won't happen. But again, and I'm sorry if you disagree, I think it's bs to treat someone like that because their opinion wasn't liked. Challenge it, question it, debate it, discuss it. That is healthy. Resorting to personal attacks because views differ is rather unhealthy and redundant. There is no purpose in that other than to tear someone down. We are all entitled to our own opinions, we are all entitled to disagree with the opinions of others, but can we not do it with some semblance of civility? That is all I am trying to say.
I hear you, and agree with you in most cases, but in this particular case we'll maybe have to agree to disagree. I hope it's ok, nothing to do with what you said at this point anyway.
I hear you, and agree with you in most cases, but in this particular case we'll maybe have to agree to disagree. I hope it's ok, nothing to do with what you said at this point anyway.
As much as i can see your point on some occasions and i think mutual respect is a "must". In my opinion it's bound up to the poster's judgement too, guess you could say it's an issue that haves to do with manners too and how you say certain things. Imo, the poster was inviting debate and controversy by just the first post. It's not an issue of presenting a different point of view, but the manners which i think most took issue with, it's called common sense. I won't go to a mormon's subforum forum and state "you know what? god doesn't exist" for just innocently state my views, but to invite some controversy. The thread title wasn't inviting nor hinting at debate in the first place, so it's obvious that some may go and get irked by what he said. It's completely legitimate to get heated under these circumstances.
Personally, i recognize myself as a very obnoxious person sometimes, here sometimes (but not that much lately since i've been on and off with the forum for the last months), but irl, been into many debates, and i like to invite controversy to push other's buttons just for the heck of it, but i don't shield myself into a "just stating my views, please by civil and respectful" and i wouldn't even allow others to patronize my intentions in such way.
I'm far from offended by his, or anyone's views on spirituality, but when this kind of things derail into a discussion of "discrimination", narrow mindedness and even crime as [MENTION=13723]Misadventure[/MENTION] said, it is disproportionate and way off the mark. @JJAA was indirectly asking for it, and stiring the waters up, and he got it.
This has happened before as i recall were some people just challenges other's views in a plain rude way and heats people up and ends up like a poor victim of this forum's narrow mindedness. It's a low move, imo. If i challenge someone's views, i'll do it directly adressing the point, not with a wordplay that heats the delivery of the message.
Nonsense. I was not asking for controversy, I didn't even imply that I was. I was stating my own opinion, which was made rather clear. You getting offended by what I say has absolutely nothing to do with the way I express myself. Ironically, people that claim to be offended are the ones that stir up the controversy by creating a discussion in which the offended person makes an attempt to smear the opinion they don't like by using words like 'provoke' and 'asking for it'. You have no right to make such uninformed accusations against, lets face it, an opinion you simply don't agree with. I am not the one getting personal, but people that continually mention my username and then proceed to accuse me of this that and the other, are the ones resorting to personal attack and wish to provoke controversy. You even admitted it yourself.
I am simply defending myself against accusations and personal attack, which I am entitled to do so, at the very least.
Okay. So you feel it is appropriate to lower yourself to personal attacks. Noted.
No. From where did you jump on that conclusion?
Nonsense. I was not asking for controversy, I didn't even imply that I was. I was stating my own opinion, which was made rather clear. You getting offended by what I say has absolutely nothing to do with the way I express myself. Ironically, people that claim to be offended are the ones that stir up the controversy by creating a discussion in which the offended person makes an attempt to smear the opinion they don't like by using words like 'provoke' and 'asking for it'. You have no right to make such uninformed accusations against, lets face it, an opinion you simply don't agree with. I am not the one getting personal, but people that continually mention my username and then proceed to accuse me of this that and the other, are the ones resorting to personal attack and wish to provoke controversy. You even admitted it yourself.
I am simply defending myself against accusations and personal attack, which I am entitled to do so, at the very least.
Your judgement that people invite or "ask for it.".
Asking for controversy and heating things up haves nothing to do with looking for insults.