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Hasn't Snowden been a speaker, even a keynote, at several EU conferences lately?

I have to admit not knowing the answer to that

I think the germans have expressed some support for his cause and some there would like to offer him political asylum

The germans are economically a bit more bouyant than many countries so can perhaps afford to be a bit more assertive and opinionated than some other countries but i still think they are under US influence so i don't know if its a realistic option for him at the moment

He's in comfort compared to assange who has now been holed up in the ecuadorean embasy in london for several years now i think and assange in turn is better off than bradley manning

These guys must be hoping for some sort of political reform in the US that would allow them free movement again...it is possible
 
Hasn't Snowden been a speaker, even a keynote, at several EU conferences lately?

Ted Talk in Toronto, i think?

See my thread on National Security & Privacy for more Snowden related stuff
 
Ted Talk in Toronto, i think?

See my thread on National Security & Privacy for more Snowden related stuff

He recently did one via satellite in Vancouver - I think that's the one you posted!
 
Hasn't Snowden been a speaker, even a keynote, at several EU conferences lately?

I dont know how he would manage that, unless its by some high tech vid feed, in which case is it even him? I mean seriously the guy could be dead and only exist now as a series of cyberimages and no one would be any the wiser, I dont believe there's not the technology to make this happen.

Besides the question of whether or not Snowden is a refuge or a captive (most likely both when you think about it) there is the question of whether or not he is a whistleblower/secret discloser or some sort of major plant who at some reason is serving US and UK interests and whose information will provoke Russian hubris and immediately or eventually Russian undoing.

Think about it, the Russians have been the only people playing major and murderous spy games with their supposed allies since the Cold War and in recent years, they poisoned with radiation their greatest detractors in the west, probably killing a restaurant of bystanders in the process in the UK, there's been a number of other killings and deaths in the UK of people connected with spying, UK agents and others, the Russians have expelled UK cultural council and diplomats and in exchange the US and UK showed how easy it was to identify and expell supposedly deeply embedded Russian sleeper agents (seriously that was a real nice guy tactic because during the old cold war days they'd simply have arranged for the same individuals to suffer "accidental" deaths or be caught up in some incident, in the UK bombings by Irish republics could serve the purpose and in the US it could be any of a range of violent elements).

All that is going on way, way before anything like Crimea (before which there was Georgia) and it was clear that Putin had attempted to reactive FSB (formerly KGB) networks across Europe and globally. Much of the islamic terror threat in Chechnia and eastern europe commentators from there, particularly those responding to the Beslan school massacre, have suggested was fomented by Russian elements themselves, those people were nationalists, losing all hope altogether they were radicalised into the bizarro world of "better to die for this cause" thinking. So there was the "war on terror" idea which was meant to be the next "big idea" to replace socialism but the US stole the march on that, now the Russians are proclaiming a kind of neo-conservatism, that they are the stalwart realists seeking to defend ethnic russians and russian speakers from chaos and conflict in the wake of western idealism, its another "big idea" and also close to what has already proven popular elsewhere, in another but similar shape. Would western conservatives or libertarians feel unsympathetic to a Russian force seen to be challenging US-UK military adventurism? When the wars sparked in the Bush years have pretty much left and right condemned in that? Liberals and other left wingers have condemned those campaigns for a long time.

So there's a definite struggle taking place, although is the US and UK that slow and have they been taken off guard by all this? I dont find that plausible, not at all, I doubly fail to find it plausible when the revelations so far from Snowden have been a mix of what anyone could easily have suspected anyway and the bizarre material of X-Files like lore, such as UFO or Area 51 whispers.

I think there's a chance that Snowden is either doing exactly what he's expected to or a pawn in a greater game, I think the actual superpowers have more to gain from Russia engaging in some really reckless actions with their economy and logistics being unable to support any military hubris, Russia is weak and if it acts now when it is so it would be more easily humbled or defeated.
 
I dont know how he would manage that, unless its by some high tech vid feed, in which case is it even him? I mean seriously the guy could be dead and only exist now as a series of cyberimages and no one would be any the wiser, I dont believe there's not the technology to make this happen.

It's possible but i think he has been interviewed in person by people as well so i don't think the russians could keep that on the QT for very long

They also have no need to kill him

Besides the question of whether or not Snowden is a refuge or a captive (most likely both when you think about it) there is the question of whether or not he is a whistleblower/secret discloser or some sort of major plant who at some reason is serving US and UK interests and whose information will provoke Russian hubris and immediately or eventually Russian undoing.

I'm sure all possibilites have crossed the minds of the russians

So far though the information has been good for the american and global public to know

Think about it, the Russians have been the only people playing major and murderous spy games with their supposed allies since the Cold War and in recent years,

No i think many countries have been playing 'murderous spy games'. I'd imagine the CIA and mossad are probably the most murderous

they poisoned with radiation their greatest detractors in the west, probably killing a restaurant of bystanders in the process in the UK,

We don't know that was the russians

It is far more likely to be the british who killed litvinenko. At that time the british wanted to upgrade their 'trident' missile system because it was out of date but it was going to cost over £20 billion and the public were not happy about that. Litvinenko then gets poisoned, the media blames the russians and starts hyping cold war fears again and suddenly hey presto people allow a trident upgrade (lots of juicy military contracts for the big corporations)

There was something about the sequence of the meetings he had that day and where the polonium was traced that didn't add up as well to the official story....i'm struggling to remember the details...it might come to me...its filed away mentally somewhere

there's been a number of other killings and deaths in the UK of people connected with spying, UK agents and others, the Russians have expelled UK cultural council and diplomats

It was the west who expelled diplomats first and russia just responded in kind

There is a barrister who represents spies and he talks a lot about how the 'germans' are responsible for a lot of the spy shenanigans especially the honey traps....except he doesn't really mean the germans....he uses that as a euphemism for the jewish central bankers who originated from germany and the british royal family (who are germans...the saxe coburg gothas, with strong links to the jewish central bankers such as the rothschilds)

here he is speaking:

[video=youtube;QNelt33QP_8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNelt33QP_8[/video]

and in exchange the US and UK showed how easy it was to identify and expell supposedly deeply embedded Russian sleeper agents (seriously that was a real nice guy tactic because during the old cold war days they'd simply have arranged for the same individuals to suffer "accidental" deaths or be caught up in some incident, in the UK bombings by Irish republics could serve the purpose and in the US it could be any of a range of violent elements).

All that is going on way, way before anything like Crimea (before which there was Georgia) and it was clear that Putin had attempted to reactive FSB (formerly KGB) networks across Europe and globally.

Putin is responding to western aggression. the west is encircling russia with anti-ICBM missiles

Much of the islamic terror threat in Chechnia and eastern europe commentators from there, particularly those responding to the Beslan school massacre, have suggested was fomented by Russian elements themselves, those people were nationalists, losing all hope altogether they were radicalised into the bizarro world of "better to die for this cause" thinking.

No the terrorism there is being funded by the house of saud

The russians supported americas 'war on terrorism' because they had their own terrorist problems

So there was the "war on terror" idea which was meant to be the next "big idea" to replace socialism but the US stole the march on that, now the Russians are proclaiming a kind of neo-conservatism, that they are the stalwart realists seeking to defend ethnic russians and russian speakers from chaos and conflict in the wake of western idealism, its another "big idea" and also close to what has already proven popular elsewhere, in another but similar shape. Would western conservatives or libertarians feel unsympathetic to a Russian force seen to be challenging US-UK military adventurism? When the wars sparked in the Bush years have pretty much left and right condemned in that? Liberals and other left wingers have condemned those campaigns for a long time.

The 'war on terror' was a US thing

I think the following clip has some interesting perspectives regarding what you are talking about here

[video=youtube;k11v8WOVT2U]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k11v8WOVT2U[/video]


So there's a definite struggle taking place, although is the US and UK that slow and have they been taken off guard by all this? I dont find that plausible, not at all, I doubly fail to find it plausible when the revelations so far from Snowden have been a mix of what anyone could easily have suspected anyway and the bizarre material of X-Files like lore, such as UFO or Area 51 whispers.

I think there's a chance that Snowden is either doing exactly what he's expected to or a pawn in a greater game, I think the actual superpowers have more to gain from Russia engaging in some really reckless actions with their economy and logistics being unable to support any military hubris, Russia is weak and if it acts now when it is so it would be more easily humbled or defeated.

Russia is not weak and is waiting for the US economy to collapse (who knows what will trigger it...perhaps the housing bubble)

Russia along with china and other countries are dumping their dollar reserves and stockpiling gold instead

They are creating a new market place where countries can trade in non dollar currencies
 
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I dont know how he would manage that, unless its by some high tech vid feed, in which case is it even him? I mean seriously the guy could be dead and only exist now as a series of cyberimages and no one would be any the wiser, I dont believe there's not the technology to make this happen.

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after which you referred to me as a 'baseless speculator'

Perhaps, meandering baseless speculator would be more fair...not that I want to interrupt this discussion on Mr Snowden (who Jimmy Carter advocates pardoning) but

WELLINGTON, New Zealand - Sometimes the object spotted in the water is a snarled fishing line. Or a buoy. Or something that might once have been the lid to an ice box. Not once - not yet at least - has it been a clue.

Anticipation has repeatedly turned into frustration in the search for signs of Flight 370 as objects spotted from planes in a new search area west of Australia have turned out to be garbage. Not only is the trash a time-wasting distraction for air and sea crews searching for debris from the Malaysia Airlines flight that vanished March 8, it also points to wider problems in the world's oceans.
"The ocean is like a plastic soup, bulked up with the croutons of these larger items," said Los Angeles captain Charles Moore, an environmental advocate credited with bringing attention to an ocean gyre between Hawaii and California known as the Great Pacific Garbage Patch, which by some accounts is about the size of Texas.
The world's oceans have four more of these flotsam-collecting vortexes, Moore said, and the searchers, in an area about 1,850 kilometers (1,150 miles) west of Perth, have stumbled onto the eastern edge of a gyre in the Indian Ocean.
"It's like a toilet bowl that swirls but doesn't flush," said Moore.
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n this image taken onboard a Royal New Zealand P-3 Orion, a piece of unknown debris floats just under the water while the plane was searching for missing Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 , in the southern Indian Ocean. Photo: AP


The garbage patches are nothing like a typical city dump. In fact, most of the trash can't even be seen: It's composed of tiny bits of plastic bobbing just below the surface.

The larger items in these gyres also tend to be plastic and are often fishing-related, Moore said. Though, he added, he has come across light bulbs, a toilet seat, and, bobbing off the California coast, a refrigerator, complete with defrosted orange juice.
Seattle oceanographer Curtis Ebbesmeyer has been studying the phenomena of ocean debris for years. He said there are smaller collections of garbage that collect within the gyres.
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Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/malaysi...-of-rubbish-20140401-zqp56.html#ixzz2xZJ1zRTa
 
Perhaps, meandering baseless speculator would be more fair...not that I want to interrupt this discussion on Mr Snowden (who Jimmy Carter advocates pardoning) but


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/malaysi...-of-rubbish-20140401-zqp56.html#ixzz2xZJ1zRTa

So are you saying that the place the authorities have sent the search parties to search in is the part of the pacific where all the plastic debris gathers?

I've heard there are whole islands of junk out there

That would be a good way to keep people running around chasing their own tails for a while
 
[MENTION=1871]muir[/MENTION] [MENTION=1939]Stu[/MENTION] if you guys did a sitcom together, I'd watch it.
 
@muir @Stu if you guys did a sitcom together, I'd watch it.

What two guys sitting around drinking beers and talking about conspiracy theories and occaisionally falling out?
 
The last words spoken by one of the pilots of the missing Malaysian Airlines plane to the control tower were "Good night Malaysian three seven zero", Malaysia's civil aviation authority said, changing its previous account of the last message as being a more casual "All right, good night".
The correction of the official account of the last words was made as Malaysian authorities continued to face heavy criticism for their handling of the disappearance, particularly from families of the Chinese passengers on board Flight MH370 who have accused Malaysia of mismanaging the search and withholding information.
"We would like to confirm that the last conversation in the transcript between the air traffic controller and the cockpit is at 0119 (Malaysian Time) and is "Good night Malaysian three seven zero," the Department of Civil Aviation said in a statement on Monday, according to the Reuters news agency.
Malaysia's ambassador to China told Chinese families in Beijing as early as March 12, four days after the flight went missing, that the last words had been "All right, good night."
"Good night Malaysian three seven zero" would be a more formal, standard sign-off from the cockpit of the Boeing 777, which was just leaving Malaysia-controlled airspace on its route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing. Minutes later its communications were cut off and it turned back across Malaysia and headed towards the Indian Ocean.
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia-...al-words-mh370-pilot-2014331175241806242.html
 
What two guys sitting around drinking beers and talking about conspiracy theories and occaisionally falling out?

Are you both drinking beers right now? Even better. But yes. Maybe throw in a cage fight or two with ping pong paddles for weapons.
 
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Are you both drinking beers right now? Even better. But yes. Maybe throw in a cage fight or two with ping pong paddles for weapons.

Stu brews beer so i think it would feature highly on the show

I'm happy to resolve disputes at the ping pong table
 
I'm happy to resolve disputes at the ping pong table

No foosball? Where are you from? I studied abroad in Germany for a minute and it was all foosball tables instead of pool here in 'Merica, loved it.
 
we used to respect the topics of threads around here
 
we used to respect the topics of threads around here

My B. I'm an ENTP with the attention span of a 6 year old on ritalin. I need to wash my pillows.
 
[video=youtube;S1zNy-5ESos]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1zNy-5ESos[/video]
 
No foosball? Where are you from? I studied abroad in Germany for a minute and it was all foosball tables instead of pool here in 'Merica, loved it.

It must be my commie sensibilities...yeah we have table football here in the UK

We excell here at all the sports that can be played in the pub: darts, pool, table football and falling flat on your face
 
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