I agree, but they are unrealistic. It goes back to each party needs to be responsible.
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I agree, but they are unrealistic. It goes back to each party needs to be responsible.
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I think it's a hilarious idea. And I would love to see a couple sign them before going at it.. Or rather, I'd love to be a fly on the wall while a man and a woman negotiate a one night stand.
I think both parts should consent seeing as it may affect the child otherwise!
A friend of mine who is 18 recently had a baby, when the father is 16 and has not even started high school yet... He was freaked out and wanted an abortion because he was not ready to be a father. But she insisted and decided to have it anyway with or without him.
A friend of mine who is 18 recently had a baby, when the father is 16 and has not even started high school yet... He was freaked out and wanted an abortion because he was not ready to be a father. But she insisted and decided to have it anyway with or without him.
My children's father doesnt pay support, even though I have them 70% of the time, and he has them 30%. For my particular situation, it is unique due to his chosen partner with a head injury and who is also an alcoholic, the school counselors have advised and supported me with not chasing him for child support because of the emotional cost for the children. Basically to make a long story short, he used to have them 50-50, thus suggested he didnt have to pay anything anymore because of that, but everyone eccept for my x and his gf, could see the shutting down process of the children. Legal issues had been costly of course, but the money's never been important for me like it was for him (them). Social serices got involved because of an event that the children witnesed while at his house, I met with them and made a proposal which was this: 70% time with me, and 30% time with him and he wopuld still not have to pay a cent to me. (all I cared about was my children's well being), and they said "Hey sounds great!"
I know it's a little off topic in a sense, and I have not read through the entire thread, but I think it's a contributing post because to me, it's not about money. Living and raising children is expensive. But, the priority should always be focussed on maintaining life, and living your life responsibly. Doing all you can for your family, even the unborn members. Children don't ask to be born. They are gifts of life that we as women get the privelage of experiencing hosting the development of new life. I mean, it's fantastic and divine, despite all the shit that pregnancy puts us through...
It's only 9 months though, and I don't think that copping out is an option. You make your bed, you lie in it. Don't like the lumps? Get the hell up and straighten the sheets. In other words, life is still what we make it, and as long as our hearts are in the right places, we do the right things.
My views on abortion and pro-life, are somewhat difficult to explain. I hope I don't frustrate any readers of my post, because what I will say is this: I understand how abortions get decided on. I believe that in some certain instances, really extreme instances, they may be necessary. However, even though I am pro-life, I still go by the motto: I might not agree with a word you say, but I'll defent to the death, your right to say it.
I don't believe people are right or wrong in their beliefs, because those beliefs are theirs, not mine. And, they developed those beliefs for whatever their particular life story wrote. All I ever ask of others, is to really try to think about the future of their choices. It can really help to do that, because when you play the tape forward, you give yourself permission to have choices and make decisions that you might not have once considered. It's worth thinking about, and I mean really, this is not a decision to be taken lightly. Yea, guys often run, or they stick around because they feel they should. But, sometimes it's worse when they stay, because there can be resentment, leading to unhealthy family dynamics. It's really wise to make sure everyone's on the same page, and if not, then to try to do the lesser of two evils.
What is money when compared to life? Money don't mean shit.
You can always find a way to get by, and even if finances are tight and that hurts, (cus yea, I've gone without supper MANY times just so my kids had food for the day), a growling tummy and a bad night's sleep hurts less, than if they were spending more time at their dad's and unhappily missing me.
I know it's a little off topic in a sense, and I have not read through the entire thread, but I think it's a contributing post because to me, it's not about money. Living and raising children is expensive. But, the priority should always be focussed on maintaining life, and living your life responsibly. Doing all you can for your family, even the unborn members. Children don't ask to be born. They are gifts of life that we as women get the privelage of experiencing hosting the development of new life. I mean, it's fantastic and divine, despite all the shit that pregnancy puts us through...
It's only 9 months though, and I don't think that copping out is an option. You make your bed, you lie in it. Don't like the lumps? Get the hell up and straighten the sheets. In other words, life is still what we make it, and as long as our hearts are in the right places, we do the right things.
My views on abortion and pro-life, are somewhat difficult to explain. I hope I don't frustrate any readers of my post, because what I will say is this: I understand how abortions get decided on. I believe that in some certain instances, really extreme instances, they may be necessary. However, even though I am pro-life, I still go by the motto: I might not agree with a word you say, but I'll defent to the death, your right to say it.
I don't believe people are right or wrong in their beliefs, because those beliefs are theirs, not mine. And, they developed those beliefs for whatever their particular life story wrote. All I ever ask of others, is to really try to think about the future of their choices. It can really help to do that, because when you play the tape forward, you give yourself permission to have choices and make decisions that you might not have once considered. It's worth thinking about, and I mean really, this is not a decision to be taken lightly. Yea, guys often run, or they stick around because they feel they should. But, sometimes it's worse when they stay, because there can be resentment, leading to unhealthy family dynamics. It's really wise to make sure everyone's on the same page, and if not, then to try to do the lesser of two evils.
What is money when compared to life? Money don't mean shit.
You can always find a way to get by, and even if finances are tight and that hurts, (cus yea, I've gone without supper MANY times just so my kids had food for the day), a growling tummy and a bad night's sleep hurts less, than if they were spending more time at their dad's and unhappily missing me.
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While there are people like you demanding this "solution", there will always be men who punch a woman in the abdomen, or kick her down the stairs, in order for the fetus to be terminated.
A child costs 1,000,000 dollars to raise to the age of 18.
Child Support is not even at a set rate, it's a third of the earnings (before tax) of the father, whatever his earnings are.
The world is overpopulated... Why should a guy have to pay for this unwanted resource sucking fiend that he didn't want to be born, for 18 years of its life, when there's not even DNA tests required. Shit, she could have poked a hole in the condom for all he knows.
This planet is overpopulated and you want to ENCOURAGE women to keep popping out spawn with a financial incentive? And make no mistake, it really is a financial incentive once the father is giving more money to the mother "for the child" than is actually required for the childs upbringing as, once again, child support is based on the fathers income, rather than requirements for the childs upbringing.
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I'm now getting frustrated. Do I need to edit my first post and explain, once again, this thread has nothing to do with pro-life or whether abortion is right or wrong? Do we need to clarify, like on the first page we did, that the fathers who are opting out are OPTING out and will not be seeing the child so there is no need for child support? Do I also need to mention that we excluded situations of rape in the very first post, and are not talking about those situations?
As much as I like telling people what to do, ya can't control what other people do. Nature has set it up that the woman has to physically put her own life at risk to bring new life into this world, or terminate it. Nature has it so a man is able to walk away from a pregnant woman (literally, figuratively, financially, emotionally, any which way), or stay and raise a child.
No one has to answer to me why he chooses to skip out on child support payments. No one has to answer to me why she chooses to abort a child. I answer to no one but myself and God (more importantly).
I think the system is a bit flawed. The law assumes that a child born in wedlock is wanted, and after a divorce the non-custodial parent is required to pay child support. Looks like things are pretty settled there. Of course if you marry crazy and she pokes holes in the condoms it was your own fucking fault to marry her. Do I think children should be born out of wedlock? Absolutely NO. Is it any of my business if there are children born out of wedlock? Hell NO. It's the same for abortion. People don't fit in boxes and there are always circumstances leading up to different choices people make.
You don't get any pats on the back for choosing life. You don't get any for not.
Now to the child support thang...I would like to see men be able to completely walk away from a pregnant woman if she is not his wife. He will sign over his rights as a parent to the mother and have no contact with the child unless he wishes it and the mother is feeling benevolent. I think a child needs two parents, but if one is being a dick two is not necessary.
The mother will not be allowed to collect child support through a court system after that.
I hate to turn this into the marriage thread, but since this thread got turned into the abortion is wrong/right thread I figured I'd have a go at things. Love is not a contract but marriage sure is. By marrying that boy I have agreed to carry his babies and he won't have to worry about the possibility of those babies being the mailman's. We both agreed that we want babies, so he doesn't have to worry about me running off and aborting them all without his knowledge. If i do something like that (here's the super magical part) he can divorce me, and pay a relatively small fee for dumping my ass. Of course he has to pay for sticking his dick in crazy. You always pay a price to stick your dick in crazy, fellas. Of course therapy is expensive, but you know if there were no reason for therapists a lot of people would be out of a jorb.
I'll do it once more (this time with feeling). Ladies, we shouldn't have the right to collect child support if the father doesn't want the child. We do have the right to not subject ourselves to the pain of child birth (that is where our entitlement) ends). Gentlemen, you don't have the right to tell ANY woman what to do with her body (unless she likes that sort of thing) you do have the right to not have anything to do with gold diggers, or women with biological clocks ticking. You have the right to get a vasectomy. (I think it should be easier, but we'll save that for another day).
No one has to answer to me why he chooses to skip out on child support payments. No one has to answer to me why she chooses to abort a child. I answer to no one but myself and God (more importantly).
I think the system is a bit flawed. The law assumes that a child born in wedlock is wanted, and after a divorce the non-custodial parent is required to pay child support. Looks like things are pretty settled there. Of course if you marry crazy and she pokes holes in the condoms it was your own fucking fault to marry her. Do I think children should be born out of wedlock? Absolutely NO. Is it any of my business if there are children born out of wedlock? Hell NO. It's the same for abortion. People don't fit in boxes and there are always circumstances leading up to different choices people make.
You don't get any pats on the back for choosing life. You don't get any for not.
Now to the child support thang...I would like to see men be able to completely walk away from a pregnant woman if she is not his wife. He will sign over his rights as a parent to the mother and have no contact with the child unless he wishes it and the mother is feeling benevolent. I think a child needs two parents, but if one is being a dick two is not necessary.
The mother will not be allowed to collect child support through a court system after that.
I hate to turn this into the marriage thread, but since this thread got turned into the abortion is wrong/right thread I figured I'd have a go at things. Love is not a contract but marriage sure is. By marrying that boy I have agreed to carry his babies and he won't have to worry about the possibility of those babies being the mailman's. We both agreed that we want babies, so he doesn't have to worry about me running off and aborting them all without his knowledge. If i do something like that (here's the super magical part) he can divorce me, and pay a relatively small fee for dumping my ass. Of course he has to pay for sticking his dick in crazy. You always pay a price to stick your dick in crazy, fellas. Of course therapy is expensive, but you know if there were no reason for therapists a lot of people would be out of a jorb.
I'll do it once more (this time with feeling). Ladies, we shouldn't have the right to collect child support if the father doesn't want the child. We do have the right to not subject ourselves to the pain of child birth (that is where our entitlement) ends). Gentlemen, you don't have the right to tell ANY woman what to do with her body (unless she likes that sort of thing) you do have the right to not have anything to do with gold diggers, or women with biological clocks ticking. You have the right to get a vasectomy. (I think it should be easier, but we'll save that for another day).
Well christmas, at least you stayed on topic.
I'm going to have to request, as the thread started, that we stay away from these abortion right/wrong things and stick to the system.
I was also curious to see if anyone else had suggestions to making the system more fair for men as women have most of the rights, and the majority of you agreed men should have more rights but it was not cited what rights they should have and how we could enforce those rights. I'd like those who stated men should have more rights to think about your statement and at least attempt to explain it further.
I'm going to have to request, as the thread started, that we stay away from these abortion right/wrong things and stick to the system.
I was also curious to see if anyone else had suggestions to making the system more fair for men as women have most of the rights, and the majority of you agreed men should have more rights but it was not cited what rights they should have and how we could enforce those rights. I'd like those who stated men should have more rights to think about your statement and at least attempt to explain it further.
Completely illogical, you can't dismiss a relevant source of information as "out of scope" simply because you do not want to address it for your hypothetical but in no way practical argument.
I attempt to add a practical perspective to this argument. The morality of abortion IS relevant because it affects the weighting that you give to options available to women vs men. But I am not arguing the morality of abortion, I am stating that other people do, and this law would affect them just as much as anyone else.
Am I THAT far off?
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You obviously didn't read anything I wrote. I did not even come close to demanding a solution. I rather agree with Slant in that if a father doesn't want to have anything to with a child then he should get the F out.
I think women should use their damn heads and not believe every sweet thing said or done by a man who is obviously just trying to get laid, with no consequences.
But I think that a man that doesn't live up to his responsibilities is not a man but a worthless piece of shit and needs to Fing grow up. Don't quote me unless you know what I said and actually read it, Shai... I like you but, maybe read everything next time and not just what suits your point? K thanks.