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[INFJ] Extroverted Feeling: Cowardice or Courageous?

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    Your thoughts aren't meandering, you are right about this. If people were less willing to do as others command we would have less wars—I think this is undeniable, and it would of course be better. But in relation to my earlier point, this part of your message is key:

    The context was that the war was already there. Even so, I don't think that refusing to take part would make one necessarily a coward. It depends on what motivates the decision. Not all men who avoided conscription were cowards, but some of them were. Those who were not were those following principles (pacifism, individualism, etc.) and ready to face the consequences of following those principles. At least that's how I view it.
     
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    Honestly, I can't blame any decision made. War is a position where no one wants to be in. Not sure either what I personally would chose. Wouldn't avoid conscription, but I wouldn't be too happy either when I have to throw myself into a life-threathening position on the base of a command.
     
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    War: *exists*

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    Lol, you are really harsh on this relative.

    I guess you must have strong convictions about this.
     
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    You're right phil, maybe I should play it down a bit. He is (was) a relative after all.

    There were some good sides to his personality. Just not someone you could have relied upon for anything requiring a little bit of guts.
     
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    Why does that matter? Genuinely curious. :)

    What does this mean?
     
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    It doesn't matter strictly speaking, but it feels harsh somehow to indict someone who cannot answer back on such a damning topic.

    It's not a question of right or wrong, though, but more of propriety maybe.

    My interpretation is that dragu was saying, in a world without human beings there is no morality.

    Which may be true, but that doesn't make it a 'perception'. The fact is that in our world there are human agents and moral systems are part of this world.
     
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    Yep. Our world does not rely on morals. Us humans do. And we are part of it.
     
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    Fe is cowardice when fear of "offense" is taken to the extreme. You withhold telling the truth or doing what is honest for purely selfish or unhealthy reasons. Or, maybe you just don't want to get hurt[which is understandable]. But I'm finding more and more that its not worth it to hold back too much. I think eventually at some point the truth always comes out in one way or another. The thing that you've been putting off to do eventually catches up to you with consequences and there is no way to avoid it or wish it to go away. Shadow Te tries to completely "obliterate" the problem and will act out harshly with full reckless force. But all it does is burn out your energy, create unnecessary enemies, and may end up costing you some valuable things and the problem still left unsolved.

    Fe, especially in the aux position, is patient, has a humility to it, is enduring and cooperative. It gives the user the proper "leeway" and "cushion" to make errors, try new approaches, and forgiving allows the struggling "Ni hero" to ample time to recuperate from failure to learn. You fall down, but you teach yourself how to pick back up, hold your head high, take a break, and get back to the challenge with renewed sense of courage and positive attitude. And when its right it shines. I think when you put on a front of being a "goody two-shoes", and use Fe to avoid pain, simply because you think you're invincible or "too good" to take on life's challenges, yeah, that's definitely cowardly. When you are ready to stand up and bear your cross, face the fear, and tackle the challenge, Fe can be very courageous, for the Ni person doesn't know if he/she is ready or not, or if he/she will get hurt. Well...have faith knowing you Will get hurt, but you can be a light demonstrating you can keep smiling in the Hell of pain, you can keep going even when tired and having taken a beating. Life goes on. You don't have to be perfect. You can take a break. You can give others a break. You can take a different route and different approach. As long as you keep your "eye on the ball"...

    Word.

    Ni-Fe: The INFJ way!

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    There is a saying that "fools talk, cowards are silent and wise men listen" and I think there is a fine point to every INFJ out there not knowing when to speak up and when not to. I sometimes felt that my silence was awkward but appreciated, and that I would have my input out there when needed to, I was counted on that part. If you have nothing to say, it would be foolish to speak. If you have something to say and stay silent, you are a coward. And when you listen first, think and feel what you want to say, you'll have a moment for what you truly have to say.

    I think the main problem here is about what we think and feel like about other perspectives about ourselves. Someone once said that it's more important what things look like, to some, to those we want to make an impression on for example, sure. But what do you think? Is it better to please every perspective and ignore your insights? Is it better to please the crowd when your intuition is saying "don't do that" or "I wouldn't do or say that if I were you". Sometimes, it's more about them than it is about you. That is one of the reasons I hate debating. I forfeit just to avoid unpleasant feelings of the one who would have to debate with me. Even though I was right, it doesn't give me the justification to wreck someone's opinion. I think people debate because they are uncertain themselves. Or the second reason, to appear as something.

    Stay true to yourselves and the inner thought, I would say.
     
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    I'm grumpy at Fe :fuming:
     
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    I am a slave to Fe :cry:
     
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