I find INTJf boring. INTP Central is like "Lord of the Flies." I'm tired of "T's" exalting in their social ineptness. My INTJ son didn't last long on INTJF because he quickly tired of people "wallowing in their INTJness." One of the risks of forums like these is that they reinforce not only the strengths, but weaknesses, of a particular type. It's almost as if people are saying, "we are what we are and there's no need to change, become more balanced or grow." I don't find this to be true of this INFJ forum.
Why I wish I was an INTJ and highly admire them.
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this describes a friend I considered to be an ISTJ perfectly. He is very right wing though not religious in any sense of the word. Instead he bases his political ideology based on survival of the fittest and the fact that man are naturally drawn to war and its necessary. He is very cold and calculating, as well as very harsh on his judgment. It takes a lot to gain his trust and he is very unforgiving. Somehow we compliment each other well though, which is the strange part. We argue a lot, but in the end we just end up poking fun at one another. He does have a soft side to him, though one has to dig very deep. I guess with INTJ's they are both cold inside and out, but once you earn their trust and respect they can be very loyal and good friends.
You can easily notice the difference between these forums and INTJf: the colours, the smileys, the cartoonified ads, and the people are generally more friendly.
Sometimes INTJf makes me realise how normal I am
I don't think INTJs are both cold on the inside and out. We definitely project an arrogance, an aloofness, or we have our 'thinking face' mistaken for anger, stress, or even confusion (happens to me a lot). We're often perceived as cold because of our facial expressions or general 'fuck off' body language. That, combined with the fact we're not good at, and don't generally like, small talk, make us appear cold and icy to begin with.
We're definitely difficult to get to know, but we are extremely loyal friends, as you mentioned. We're not great with emotions, so it's hard for us to express ourselves. However, if we spend any time or effort on you, it says we enjoy your company.
I entered this forum for companionship...
I had took a test online and learned the INFJ to be the most acceptable friend to have around. Upon entering however, I felt I had token a stroll through an asylum for the insane. The amount of feelings expressed here are to the extreme.
I have gotten used to it, but this forum does not hold my attention long enough.
Your statements about INFJ's are true, lots of feelings as opposed to logic. Still, one has to admire the ability to feel. I believe I read somewhere that INFJ's were the most receptive psychic activity...
PS. I do not fit the standard INTJ archtype. Even they disagree with much of what I say...
I had took a test online and learned the INFJ to be the most acceptable friend to have around. Upon entering however, I felt I had token a stroll through an asylum for the insane. The amount of feelings expressed here are to the extreme.
I have gotten used to it, but this forum does not hold my attention long enough.
Your statements about INFJ's are true, lots of feelings as opposed to logic. Still, one has to admire the ability to feel. I believe I read somewhere that INFJ's were the most receptive psychic activity...
PS. I do not fit the standard INTJ archtype. Even they disagree with much of what I say...
They think we are just as insane. Some actually think we are cuddly which is definitive proof of insanity.
intjs do not necessarily agree we just use similar processes to come to our conclusions but you probably know this all ready.
I have several INTJ friends, and I love them dearly.
They often see things that I don't and have totally different perspectives on things.
I don't know why, but the majority of my closest friends are INTJ's.
However while we get along incredibly well with one another, they also have a tendancy to infuriate me emotionally. My best friend in particular is totally incapable of knowing when he's hurt my feelings. He's even told me himself he doesn't understand emotions and people as well as I do and says he admires my people skills. but situations in which he upsets me, he doesn't understand, and tries to look at them logically and scientifically.
of course the situation is never helped by me staying quiet about it for weeks and weeks and just avoiding him.
but we're still the best of friends, even though we infuriate each other, we sort of view one another like favourite cousins and support and care for one another.
yay for INTJs!
They often see things that I don't and have totally different perspectives on things.
I don't know why, but the majority of my closest friends are INTJ's.
However while we get along incredibly well with one another, they also have a tendancy to infuriate me emotionally. My best friend in particular is totally incapable of knowing when he's hurt my feelings. He's even told me himself he doesn't understand emotions and people as well as I do and says he admires my people skills. but situations in which he upsets me, he doesn't understand, and tries to look at them logically and scientifically.
of course the situation is never helped by me staying quiet about it for weeks and weeks and just avoiding him.
but we're still the best of friends, even though we infuriate each other, we sort of view one another like favourite cousins and support and care for one another.
yay for INTJs!
A few things occur there which are not INTJ friendly:
1) It's not very INTJ to state that 'your opinion is not empirical to my opinion' that's just an obvious obnoxious statement that anyone can make about anyone and any opinion. This is actively and continually encouraged.
2) Rules are enforced to the extreme and are claimed by the moderators to be 'explict' but aren't actually on the ruleset; see for example the rule for personal attacks which outlaws 'questioning anothers type' even though it may be relevant to the discussion because it is a personal attack. However, questioning 'competence' is allowed because this is clearly not about maligning the opinion of the other user (this is infact a consequence of (1)). This encourages a very nepotistic attitude and some of the users and mediators game this system because they understand the 'unwritten rules' which they demand stay unwritten.
3) Things vanish, whole threads with no reason given to a user. I've had a very long thread instantaneously deleted and restored on appeal; but I hate to think how many people don't have 4 days to fight with staff who are more concerned with 'my implementation is perfect, you should not question it.' as opposed to simply answering why they had a right to delete posts and threads willy nilly.
These are things that INTJs can do - occasionally - but this very explicit and wide-ranging cliquishness is unlikely in an INTJ dominated group. We are well documented for keeping very low numbers of friends at all times and to step back when we feel our objectivity is questioned in favour of other decision makers.
Also the INTJ forum is incredibly incapable of dealing with rebelliousness; another hideously well documented trait of INTJ and ENTP behaviours the real discriminating trait between ISTJ and INTJ.
So... what type is the forum espousing?
In conclusion, I view INTJ forum to be ISTJ forum and so I don't take it very seriously - it brings out my inner rebel rouser which I wish it did not.
You can blame Odyne for this post, because she was moaning I still had newbie status; personally I didn't care, but since she does... fine. I included numerous monkeys for effect.
On the outside, my INTJ son can come across as an extremely tough, strong, ruthless, proficient, uber-male personality in a way in which I think he's totally unaware (that is, it's not false and put on). However, among those he knows well, likes or loves, he can be very sweet, loving, and extremely loyal. Even to others, when appropriate, he can be very charming.
I have one acquaintance from elementary/high school that it turns out is INTJ. I had wondered through the years after discovering MBTI if this past friend might be INFP, but when we were recently reacquainted on facebook I encouraged her to look into type and she turned out to be INTJ.
I had thought she might be INFP because her music tastes are very similar to the INFPs I was familiar with and I have strong memories of her being activist in high school. She created her own newspaper to address her views and then personally distributed it in the hallways.
Now she is a very politically active libertarian. Almost all of her facebook posts are political rants and she talks frequently about how she is preparing for an independently sustainable life and encourages stocking up on gold. I'm pretty sure she thinks the sky is falling. She could be right.
She comes across very strong, but also very bright and clever. When we reacquainted I revealed to her my practically socialist political views and she expressed real interest in understanding my perspectives instead of just blasting them. We did in the end stop communicating because she expressed that she just got too mad reading my perspectives and she didn't want to be mean. I respected her honesty.
I had thought she might be INFP because her music tastes are very similar to the INFPs I was familiar with and I have strong memories of her being activist in high school. She created her own newspaper to address her views and then personally distributed it in the hallways.
Now she is a very politically active libertarian. Almost all of her facebook posts are political rants and she talks frequently about how she is preparing for an independently sustainable life and encourages stocking up on gold. I'm pretty sure she thinks the sky is falling. She could be right.
She comes across very strong, but also very bright and clever. When we reacquainted I revealed to her my practically socialist political views and she expressed real interest in understanding my perspectives instead of just blasting them. We did in the end stop communicating because she expressed that she just got too mad reading my perspectives and she didn't want to be mean. I respected her honesty.
This.
I stopped posting there once a few of my posts vanished with a rep comment letting me know the content was against the rules. I had read the rules and I didn't remember anything pertaining to what I posted so I went back and checked again. Turns out, I was right, there was no such rule that forbid the content (explicitly, at least).
Bah, I can't stand dictatorship.
Anyway, I love INTJs when they're willing to communicate with their Ni. Most of the time (and outside of the internet), they aren't willing, and this frustrates me to no end. One particular INTJ I know refuses to talk about intellectual topics because it means putting someone else equal to himself and/or gives them a chance to outrun him academically, so he pretends to be largely unintellectual and ignorant. To my INFJ mind, this is so twisted, it doesn't compute. It honestly floors me every time.
I have one acquaintance from elementary/high school that it turns out is INTJ. I had wondered through the years after discovering MBTI if this past friend might be INFP, but when we were recently reacquainted on facebook I encouraged her to look into type and she turned out to be INTJ.
I had thought she might be INFP because her music tastes are very similar to the INFPs I was familiar with and I have strong memories of her being activist in high school. She created her own newspaper to address her views and then personally distributed it in the hallways.
Now she is a very politically active libertarian. Almost all of her facebook posts are political rants and she talks frequently about how she is preparing for an independently sustainable life and encourages stocking up on gold. I'm pretty sure she thinks the sky is falling. She could be right.
She comes across very strong, but also very bright and clever. When we reacquainted I revealed to her my practically socialist political views and she expressed real interest in understanding my perspectives instead of just blasting them. We did in the end stop communicating because she expressed that she just got too mad reading my perspectives and she didn't want to be mean. I respected her honesty.
Just posted on my intj acquaintance's facebook page:
Open-Minded Man Grimly Realizes How Much Life He's Wasted Listening to Bullshit
LOL
I hope she's rafting or repelling or something else fun right now.
I say something similar to this everyday.
I'm almost (just almost) offended by this line here. LOL
A post from ten years ago makes me blush. Great stuff.
As for the thing in the opening post about solitude.
Introverted feeling working with introverted intuition makes alone time seem as fulfilling and sacrosanct to me, as what other types experience from an intimate conversation with a trusted and beloved friend.
I also wish I was INTJ, both for that reason and the interest in understanding the big picture and changing it.
I already have the solitude part though.
I already have the solitude part though.
What's sad about that post is that the majority of it I was clearly outlining my undiagnosed ADHD symptoms lol
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