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La Sagna said:
My son didn't get sick from the vaccine. He had received the vaccine years previously. We visited Montreal where there was an outbreak of Whooping Cough. We all contracted Whooping Cough. It was very mild in my husband and I. We would have received the immunization when we were children.

Here is information on whooping cough:



Obviously this vaccine does not give 100% immunization but if it stops 80% to 85% of cases then you are likely saving the life of several infants. Whooping cough is usually not too bad in older children but it can be deadly in infants.
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By the age of 4 your son will have had multiple whooping cough vaccine shots all of which were useless
 
flower said:
I'm not sure what I think about vaccines... In my country, there was a big news that some young children/teenagers got narcolepsy from vaccines which had to be taken because of swine flu risk. But I don't remember that did those people have some different genes which ''helped'' to get narcolepsy from the vaccines. But I think medicines are big business, and sometimes I am a little afraid that they would do anything to get money and not testing the medicines enough before people are starting using them..
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Absolutely there have been many cases of narcolepsy resulting from vaccines

What people need to realise is that the corporations and the politicians they bribe do not give a damn about them or their children

The health professionals are often just doing what they are told to do by the people above them in the system

The only people who can protect our children is ourselves

[video=youtube;jHe1jGI9UyQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHe1jGI9UyQ[/video]
 
[video=youtube;lBYUXFBze4Y]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBYUXFBze4Y[/video]
 
Here's an article from National Geographic:

One Thing We Know About Autism: Vaccines Aren't to Blame


Susan Brink
for National Geographic
PUBLISHED JULY 16, 2013

It all started with bad science. The now-debunked theory that autism is caused by the common immunizations nearly all children receive beginning in infancy began with a fabricated piece of research, a 1998 study published–and later retracted–in the journal Lancet. In 2010, Great Britain stripped Andrew Wakefield, the lead author of the study, of his medical license. An investigation had deemed his research an elaborate fraud.


But in those dozen years, fear of lifesaving immunizations took hold of millions of parents. Jenny McCarthy–former Playmate of the year, model, actress, and soon-to-be cohost of the television show The View–fueled parental fears. She built a movement around the flawed theory. McCarthy, who has an autistic son, wrote Louder Than Words: A Mother's Journey in Healing Autism, correlating the increase in childhood vaccinations with the rise in autism worldwide.

"She is absolutely entitled to her opinion, but to say that it's fact when it's not fact is just wrong," says Glenn Braunstein, vice president of clinical innovation at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center in Los Angeles. "It's one step down from yelling 'fire' in a crowded theater when there is no fire. It's fear-mongering."

But the movement snowballed. Congress held hearings. More than 5,000 people petitioned a newly formed Vaccine Injury Compensation Program, charging that vaccines injured their children. (Courts eventually found no proven link between vaccines and autism.) Parents began saying no to immunizations, and the percentage of parents who delayed or refused vaccinations rose from 22 percent in 2003 to nearly 40 percent in 2008. For the first time in decades, the U.S. saw outbreaks of diseases like measles, mumps, and whooping cough.

Completely Discredited

The original research began to be discredited as early as 1999, when two studies commissioned by the U.K. Department of Health found no evidence that immunizations were associated with autism. In 2001, a panel of 15 experts from the Institute of Medicine, which advises Congress, found no connection between the measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccine and autism. In 2004, a comprehensive review by the Institute of Medicine found no causal relationship between vaccines and autism.

But it would take almost another decade for the furor to even begin to die down. A study this year in The Journal of Pediatrics may at last put the final nail in the coffin of the discredited research. In April, researchers published a study that looked at nearly 1,000 children and concluded that exposure to vaccines during the first two years of life was not associated with an increased risk of developing autism.

Maybe, just maybe, Jenny McCarthy won't even mention autism and vaccines from her new perch on The View. That's the hope of Paul Offit, chief of the Division of Infectious Diseases at the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia. "In a more rational world, this discussion would be un-reopenable," Offit says. "The answerable questions have all been answered." It's not the vaccine, or anything in the vaccine. It's not the number or timing of vaccinations. Scientifically, he says, we know that.

So what is causing an increase in autism? We don't know for sure, says Offit, but the best data are genetic, involving several genes required for brain development that may generate abnormalities even in the womb. Some researchers have found a connection between older fathers and an increased risk of autism in their children. Or the increase could be due to more awareness of autism and a broader definition of the disorder.

Those theories require a lot more research. The vaccine theory does not. It was thoroughly investigated, and it doesn't hold up.
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Who do you think owns national geographic?

Leaked emails from the CDC have proven a link with autism

I posted a clip above which shows the vaccine producers own literature listing autism as one of the possible side effects

More on swine flu fear mongering:

[video=youtube;0znfRy1LLvk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0znfRy1LLvk[/video]
 
[video=youtube;VVsgiHkY6WY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVsgiHkY6WY[/video]
 
muir said:
Who do you think owns national geographic?
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The National Geographic Society (NGS), headquartered in Washington, D.C. in the United States, is one of the largest nonprofit scientific and educational institutions in the world. Its interests include geography, archaeology and natural science, the promotion of environmental and historical conservation, and the study of world culture and history. The National Geographic Society’s logo is a yellow portrait frame – rectangular in shape – which appears on the margins surrounding the front covers of its magazines and as its television channel logo.

The National Geographic Society was founded in 1888 "to increase and diffuse geographic knowledge." Its mission is to inspire people to care about the planet. The Society is governed by a board of trustees whose 19 members include distinguished educators, business executives, former government officials, and conservationists.

The organization sponsors and funds scientific research and exploration. The Society publishes an official journal, National Geographic, in 38 languages. It also publishes other magazines, books, school products, maps, and Web and film products in numerous languages and countries. Its Education Foundation gives grants to education organizations and individuals to improve geography education.[2] Its Committee for Research and Exploration has awarded more than 11,000 grants for scientific research and exploration.
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I have more proof about what National Geographic is and what it stands for than I have for who you are and what you stand for. How do I know that you're not an alien plant put on this earth to mess with us so that we all end up killing each other because we end up thinking everybody else is all in on the conspiracy? That's a thought. What proof do I have that you're not an alien?
 
muir said:
Absolutely there have been many cases of narcolepsy resulting from vaccines

What people need to realise is that the corporations and the politicians they bribe do not give a damn about them or their children

The health professionals are often just doing what they are told to do by the people above them in the system

The only people who can protect our children is ourselves

[video=youtube;jHe1jGI9UyQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHe1jGI9UyQ[/video]
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I do agree with this, sadly.. Money always speaks. There weren't many narcolepsy victims, only few but still it's a little bit worrying.

But it makes me worried that they didn't even test those Pandemrix vaccines before giving them to people. Such a rush with people's health!
 
[video=youtube;YxfgqsZ8BV0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxfgqsZ8BV0[/video]
 
[video=youtube;XU8nSn5Ezd8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XU8nSn5Ezd8[/video]
 
La Sagna said:
I have more proof about what National Geographic is and what it stands for than I have for who you are and what you stand for. How do I know that you're not an alien plant put on this earth to mess with us so that we all end up killing each other because we end up thinking everybody else is all in on the conspiracy? That's a thought. What proof do I have that you're not an alien?
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What do you want a youtube video?

The National geographic is an establishment paper; you haven't said who owns it though

Rupert murdoch's (CFR member) news corp group own 67% of national geographic channel: corporate propaganda
 
Vaccines are safe and effective. There is no debate, only paranoia and ignorance.

Governments can't force people to be vaccinated, but they can probably ostracize them, because unvaccinated people are a legitimate health risk.
 
Meer said:
Vaccines are safe and effective. There is no debate, only paranoia and ignorance.

Governments can't force people to be vaccinated, but they can probably ostracize them, because unvaccinated people are a legitimate health risk.
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Nonsense on both counts

Governments CAN force you to do things
 
More for the 'debate'

https://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/2012/03/14/government-experts-cover-up-vaccine-hazards/

[h=2]30 Years of Secret Official Transcripts Show UK Government Experts Cover Up Vaccine Hazards[/h] Posted on March 14, 2012 by ChildHealthSafety
[ED: Readers should note that a paper presented at a scientific conference is a citable reference for publication purposes. That applies to Dr Lucija Tomljenovic's paper discussed in this article.] An extraordinary new paper published by a courageous doctor and investigative medical researcher has dug the dirt on 30 years of secret official transcripts of meetings of UK government vaccine committees and the supposedly independent medical “experts” sitting on them with their drug industry connections. If you want to get an idea of who is responsible for your child’s condition resulting from a vaccine adverse reaction then this is the paper to read. What you have to ask yourself is if the people on these committees are honest and honourable and acting in the best interests of British children, how is it this has been going on for at least 30 years? This is what everyone has always known but could never prove before now. Pass this information on to others so they can see what goes on in Government health committees behind locked doors. We quote here from the author’s summary and the paper:
Deliberately concealing information from parents for the sole purpose of getting them to comply with an “official” vaccination schedule could be considered as a form of ethical violation or misconduct. Official documents obtained from the UK Department of Health (DH) and the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI) reveal that the British health authorities have been engaging in such practice for the last 30 years, apparently for the sole purpose of protecting the national vaccination program.​
The 45 page paper with detailed evidence can be downloaded here: The vaccination policy and the Code of Practice of the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI): are they at odds? Lucija Tomljenovic, Neural Dynamics Research Group, Dept. of Ophthalmology and Visual Sciences, University of British Columbia, Vancouver, Canada. It was presented at and forms part of the proceedings of The 2011 BSEM Scientific Conference now published online here: The Health Hazards of Disease Prevention BSEM Scientific Conference, March 2011. There are other papers also found at that link which you will find an excellent read. The author, Dr Lucija Tomljenovic writes:
Here I present the documentation which appears to show that the JCVI made continuous efforts to withhold critical data on severe adverse reactions and contraindications to vaccinations to both parents and health practitioners in order to reach overall vaccination rates which they deemed were necessary for “herd immunity”, a concept which with regards to vaccination, and contrary to prevalent beliefs, does not rest on solid scientific evidence as will be explained. As a result of such vaccination policy promoted by the JCVI and the DH, many children have been vaccinated without their parents being disclosed the critical information about demonstrated risks of serious adverse reactions, one that the JCVI appeared to have been fully aware of. It would also appear that, by withholding this information, the JCVI/DH neglected the right of individuals to make an informed consent concerning vaccination. By doing so, the JCVI/DH may have violated not only International Guidelines for Medical Ethics (i.e., Helsinki Declaration and the International Code of Medical Ethics) [2] but also, their own Code of Practice.​
Dr Lucija Tomljenovic continues:
The transcripts of the JCVI meetings also show that some of the Committee members had extensive ties to pharmaceutical companies and that the JCVI frequently co-operated with vaccine manufacturers on strategies aimed at boosting vaccine uptake. Some of the meetings at which such controversial items were discussed were not intended to be publicly available, as the transcripts were only released later, through the Freedom of Information Act (FOI). These particular meetings are denoted in the transcripts as “commercial in confidence”, and reveal a clear and disturbing lack of transparency, as some of the information was removed from the text (i.e., the names of the participants) prior to transcript release under the FOI section at the JCVI website (for example, JCVI CSM/DH (Committee on the Safety of Medicines/Department of Health) Joint Committee on Adverse Reactions Minutes 1986-1992).

For the rest of the article click on the link
 
https://childhealthsafety.wordpress...y-us-government-merck’s-director-of vaccines/

[h=2]Vaccination Causes Autism – Say US Government & Merck’s Director of Vaccines[/h] Posted on June 30, 2010 by ChildHealthSafety
A New Scientist article 29 June 2010 by Jim Giles states:-
We still do not know what causes autism.“ Desperate measures: The lure of an autism cure​
That is not correct. Here we set out four ways autistic conditions are caused and confirmed by statements from the current President of pharmaceutical giant Merck’s Vaccines Division, by US Government agencies, by the US Federal Court and in formally published academic journal papers. If you read nothing else we strongly recommend you read this PDF Download – Text of May 5th 2008 email from US HRSA to Sharyl Attkisson of CBS News]. In it the US Health Resources Services Administration [HRSA] state to CBS News reporter Sharyl Attkisson
We have compensated cases in which children exhibited an encephalopathy, or general brain disease. Encephalopathy may be accompanied by a medical progression of an array of symptoms including autistic behavior, autism, or seizures.” [Text added 10 April 2011]​
The first known cause of autism was rubella virus. So not only is New Scientist an unreliable source of information, this cause of autism has been known since the 1960s. And rubella virus is one of the three live viruses in the MMR vaccine.
… rubella (congenital rubella syndrome) is one of the few proven causes of autism.” Walter A. Orenstein, M.D. US as Assistant Surgeon General, Director National Immunization Program in a letter to the UK’s Chief Medical Officer 15 February 2002.​
rubella virus is one of the few known causes of autism.” US Center for Disease Control.
“FAQs (frequently asked questions) about MMR Vaccine & Autism” [ED 8/Apr/12: This is the web archive of the CDC page - you will need to search in or scroll down the page to see the text. As papers cited on the original page by the CDC as evidence for no link with the vaccine have been steadily discredited it seems the CDC has decided to remove the page and it seems someone has been deleting the archived versions of the page from the web archive too].​
rubella can cause autism” The Pediatrician’s Role in the Diagnosis and Management of Autistic Spectrum Disorder in Children – PEDIATRICS Vol. 107 No. 5 May 2001​
Journal references:
Chess, S. Autism in children with congenital rubella. J Autism Child Schizophr. 1, 33-47 (1971). Chess S. Follow-up report on autism in congenital rubella. J Autism Child Schizophr. 1977;7:69 –81 Ziring PR. Congenital rubella: the teenage years. Pediatr Ann. 1997;6: 762–770​
People who are pre-disposed to have a mitochondrial dysfunction can develop autistic conditions following vaccination. The current President of Merck’s Vaccines Division, Julie Gerberding confirmed to CBS News when she was Director of the US Centres for Disease Control that:
….. if you’re predisposed with the mitochondrial disorder, it can certainly set off some damage. Some of the symptoms can be symptoms that have characteristics of autism.“ HOUSE CALL WITH DR. SANJAY GUPTA – Unraveling the Mystery of Autism; Talking With the CDC Director; Stories of Children with Autism; Aging with Autism – Aired March 29, 2008 – 08:30 ET

For more click on link above
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https://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/graphs/

[h=2]Vaccines Did Not Save Us – 2 Centuries Of Official Statistics[/h]
This is the data the drug industry do not want you to see. Here 2 centuries of UK, USA and Australian official death statistics show conclusively and scientifically modern medicine is not responsible for and played little part in substantially improved life expectancy and survival from disease in western economies. A detailed Contents listing of this article with each category of disease and related graphs appears after the Introduction.
[h=2]Introduction[/h] The main advances in combating disease over 200 years have been better food and clean drinking water. Improved sanitation, less overcrowded and better living conditions also contribute. This is also borne out in published peer reviewed research:

In addition to the extensive static graphs below, the following superb BBC FOUR broadcast by Professor Hans Rosling shows how health improved in step with wealth over the last 200 years “200 countries over 200 years using 120,000 numbers – in just four minutes“:
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Measles mortality graphs are enlightening [more below] and contradict the claims of Government health officials that vaccines have saved millions of lives. It is an unscientific claim which the data show is untrue. Here you will also learn why vaccinations like mumps and rubella for children are medically unethical and can expose medical professionals to liability for criminal proceedings and civil damages for administering them.
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[Click Graph to Enlarge - Opens In New Window] The success of the City of Leicester, England was remarkable in reducing smallpox mortality substantially compared to the rest of England and other countries by abandoning vaccination between 1882 and 1908 [see more below]. This contrasts how the drug industry has turned each child in the world into a human pin-cushion profit centre. You might think the following graph is some support for the success of diphtheria vaccination [see blue line]:-
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England & Wales Diphtheria Mortality 1901 to 1999

For more click on link above

[video=youtube;jbkSRLYSojo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbkSRLYSojo[/video]
 
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