Vaccines Debate
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Where did you get this quote from?
Also if vaccinations are given to children after birth and they are then they will have an impact on children under 1 year old
It was quoted from the Melissa Melton article you posted. Sorry I was refuting her claim.
yeah its ok i found it
She says kids in the US are given 26 shots before the age of 1...youch!
I don't think you have refuted anything
I think that amount of shots in the first year of a childs life is going to be harmful
Anyone would think that we humans hadn't evolved to live on this planet the way they carry on!
26 shots before the age of one!
Well they care so much about us they just want us to be really healthy
Thats why they encourage us to eat all that nutritious junk food
Also they care about our teeth which is why they put flouride (a by product of the aluminium industry and ingrediant in rat poison) into our water supply...cos they really really care...about...our....teeth
right?
Thats why we have no poor people in our country....cos they look after us so well...cos they really care
thats why they pump our kids with vaccines and drugs...cos they really really love us and they want to look after us and give us all nice presents
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She made a claim that the high infant mortality rate of infants was linked to vaccinating infants. This is false. The high infant mortality is largely attributed to higher rate of preemie mortality, which is unrelated to vaccinations. I am personally unsure of why there is such a high rate of preemie death.
Well, as long as we have nice presents......
No, I hear you. I'm pretty skeptical about what's being presented in the news and what is being handed down to us by our government and by corporations, and I try my best to arrive at the truth. I prefer to read directly from scientific journals, but because they are not free, it makes it hard to keep up on the research. I often have to rely on scientific journalists who often add additional interpretations of the data. But that's not nearly as bad as getting scientific news through Fox, or MSNBC, or CNN. By the time it has made it there it has been filtered and repackaged for mass consumption. That is when you start hearing claims like "a study has shown that people who drink a glass of wine a day have been shown to live longer," and that sort of thing.
wooooooooooooah!!!!!!!!!! I leave for a few hours and BAM it blows up!!!
In regards to the autism and vaccines link - a lot of the data is correlation and not causal. Just because the rates of autism increased with the introduction of the vaccines, doesn't mean the vaccines caused it. There is a wealth of other literature out there that suggests this like increased TV viewing, decreased exercise and time spent outdoors, diets, etc. are all contributions to autism increases.
I'm not saying that there isn't some truth, or that you shouldn't or should vaccinate your kids...I'm just saying that sometimes the information is misleading.
I do think there are A LOT of cases of vaccines, especially in 3rd world countries being used as experimental drugs. Even in America there's the famous Tuskegee experiment that calls into question the intentions of vaccines and biomedical companies:
A lot of time 'vaccines' will actually be experimental drugs, and they test them out on unknowing individuals. There's actually quite a few case studies of these. One would think/hope that with the current research ethics institutes monitoring projects, that this wouldn't happen...but I wouldn't be surprised if it still does.
On the one hand, I feel that these cases, and the fact that we don't ever really know what goes in it (from a public perspective), or often the longterm health impacts of them...that it's not good to make them mandatory...again, it's a slippery slope.
At the same time, from a population health practitioner, I see the benefits. Is it part of your societal duty to protect yourself against these things? I wouldn't want someone going off into space and then bringing back an alien disease form that ruptured out of my stomach...why should I be okay with someone not properly protecting themselves (and me) against deathly and highly contagious earth-born illnesses? Vaccines can help minimize the impacts of hazardous disease and illnesses- both at an individual and population level. They are a form of health care.
I don't know....it's a hard topic! Thank you to you guys for participating and providing evidence!
In regards to the autism and vaccines link - a lot of the data is correlation and not causal. Just because the rates of autism increased with the introduction of the vaccines, doesn't mean the vaccines caused it. There is a wealth of other literature out there that suggests this like increased TV viewing, decreased exercise and time spent outdoors, diets, etc. are all contributions to autism increases.
I'm not saying that there isn't some truth, or that you shouldn't or should vaccinate your kids...I'm just saying that sometimes the information is misleading.
I do think there are A LOT of cases of vaccines, especially in 3rd world countries being used as experimental drugs. Even in America there's the famous Tuskegee experiment that calls into question the intentions of vaccines and biomedical companies:
A lot of time 'vaccines' will actually be experimental drugs, and they test them out on unknowing individuals. There's actually quite a few case studies of these. One would think/hope that with the current research ethics institutes monitoring projects, that this wouldn't happen...but I wouldn't be surprised if it still does.
On the one hand, I feel that these cases, and the fact that we don't ever really know what goes in it (from a public perspective), or often the longterm health impacts of them...that it's not good to make them mandatory...again, it's a slippery slope.
At the same time, from a population health practitioner, I see the benefits. Is it part of your societal duty to protect yourself against these things? I wouldn't want someone going off into space and then bringing back an alien disease form that ruptured out of my stomach...why should I be okay with someone not properly protecting themselves (and me) against deathly and highly contagious earth-born illnesses? Vaccines can help minimize the impacts of hazardous disease and illnesses- both at an individual and population level. They are a form of health care.
I don't know....it's a hard topic! Thank you to you guys for participating and providing evidence!
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This article (with super funky formatting) might be of interest
http://www.stat.luc.edu/StatisticsfortheSciences/MeierPolio.htm
http://www.stat.luc.edu/StatisticsfortheSciences/MeierPolio.htm
That does not rule out the role of vaccines in infant mortality; also some premature babies will be vaccinated
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Well the lancet published wakefileds study and then later retracted it no doubt under pressure
The journals are not free from pressure
The journals have owners who have business links and various vested interests
The publishing houses themselves are owned by the people behind the big corporations.
They decide whose work gets published and whose research gets funded
So the mainstream is not unbiased...it is dominated by corporate money
My youngest son almost died of Whooping Cough when he was 3 months old. Both my sons have had all their immunization and it has not caused them any harm whatsoever. Neither of them have autism or any form of allergy whatsoever. The diseases are much worse than the vaccines.
Had your 3 month old had a vaccine by that point? If you had been following the schedule he would have done
They might have been totally fine had they not been immunised...you will not know so you cannot make a comparison
The vaccines have had side effects for many people
Schedule for a baby born today in the state of quebec:
[h=2]You should anticipate the following vaccinations for your child:[/h][h=3]2 months old[/h]
- DTaP-HB-IPV-Hib: Diphtheria, Tetanus, Whooping Cough, Polio, Hib, Hepatitis B
- Pneu-C-13: Pneumococcal disease
- Rot: Rotavirus
- DTaP-HB-IPV-Hib: Diphtheria, Tetanus, Whooping Cough, Polio, Hib, Hepatitis B
- Pneu-C-13: Pneumococcal disease
- Rot: Rotavirus
- DTaP-IPV-Hib: Diphtheria, Tetanus, Whooping Cough, Polio, Hib
- *Influenza: The flu
- Men-C: Meningococcal disease
- **MMR: Measles, Mumps, Rubella
- Pneu-C-13: Pneumococcal disease
- DTaP-HB-IPV-Hib: Diphtheria, Tetanus, Whooping Cough, Polio, Hib, Hepatitis B
- **MMR-Var: Measles, Mumps, Rubella, Varicella
- Tdap-IPV: Diphtheria, Tetanus, Whooping Cough, Polio
It was just before he was to have his vaccine. His 4 year old brother got it first and passed it on to him. I've had people tell me that it's good for kids to have these diseases but it would be impossible to convince a mom who watched her baby turn blue and almost choke to death because of a simple childhood communicable disease that that was good for him.
So you hadn't vaccinated either your 4 year old or your 3 month old with anything before they both contracted whooping cough when the canadian schedule advises vaccinating at 2 months old?
I'm not sure what I think about vaccines... In my country, there was a big news that some young children/teenagers got narcolepsy from vaccines which had to be taken because of swine flu risk. But I don't remember that did those people have some different genes which ''helped'' to get narcolepsy from the vaccines. But I think medicines are big business, and sometimes I am a little afraid that they would do anything to get money and not testing the medicines enough before people are starting using them..
The 4 year old was vaccinated so he got a mild form because vaccines are not 100% protective since viruses can mutate. Whooping cough is never mild for a 3 month old because they haven't learned how to clear their air passages themselves, they're too young. I guess I must have been behind on the vaccines for my youngest son.
You are very passionate about this so I know nothing I can say will convince you that it is better to vaccinate your kids than not but I can tell you that you won't convince me otherwise either. I personally believe it is irresponsible to not vaccinate your kids. I know tons of kids that have been vaccinated and are perfectly fine. I also know some kids that have not been vaccinated (including some nieces and nephews) and they are not smarter or in any way 'above average' because they have not been vaccinated. They luckily have not contracted any of the childhood diseases but my brother has admitted that they are counting on others to vaccinate their kids so that the diseases don't spread. At least he's honest.
So you got your older kid vaccinated and he got sick from the vaccination and past this sickness onto the younger one?
The vaccine not only didn't protect your older child but made them sick and not only that made your younger child sick as well
You also know unvaccinated kids who haven't been sick
Your brother should worry about the other kids being vaccinated because its the vaccinated kids that spread the infections...see articles i posted above (and your own story)
Good story though, thanks for sharing. Your honesty might help someone else who reads this to make the right decision
My son didn't get sick from the vaccine. He had received the vaccine years previously. We visited Montreal where there was an outbreak of Whooping Cough. We all contracted Whooping Cough. It was very mild in my husband and I. We would have received the immunization when we were children.
Here is information on whooping cough:
Obviously this vaccine does not give 100% immunization but if it stops 80% to 85% of cases then you are likely saving the life of several infants. Whooping cough is usually not too bad in older children but it can be deadly in infants.