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Still on the Left, though not the far left
Your answers align with that of a leftist. You view capitalism as a system that puts the most vulnerable segment of the population at a disadvantaged position, thereby failing to deliver a just and fair distribution of wealth in society. A strong welfare state and high corporate taxes are in your mind the solution of equalizing the equality of people in a society.
You are passionate about human rights regardless of origin, as such you support the idea of asylum seekers being accepted into your country. You have don’t believe in a conservative approach to gender roles. Instead, you think that individuals should be allowed to act and behave in a way that they like.
As an aside, I don't think Republicans and Democrats really have much of a difference in terms of values. It seems to me they fight over the mechanisms by which these values are implemented into policy.
For example people debate what is the just way to do something but nobody really comes out and argues against the concept of justice. The argument is usually "is X the way to achieve a just result or is it Y?" Not "no I love it when everything is unfair, let's not bother"
There's not much difference in values in my opinion.
For example people debate what is the just way to do something but nobody really comes out and argues against the concept of justice. The argument is usually "is X the way to achieve a just result or is it Y?" Not "no I love it when everything is unfair, let's not bother"
There's not much difference in values in my opinion.
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That's interesting, because I see them holding fundamentally incompatible values.
I'm not a native, of course, but things like the abortion issue tend to reveal the stark contrast between worldviews - they can't even agree on the same facts or how to arrive at those facts.
One is a center-right party, and the other (has been) what we would have to consider far right.
Abortion is not a value, wanting to protect individual choice or preserving life is a value. The people who are pro abortion are not in favor because they love it when humans die. The people who are anti abortion are not against people being allowed to have choices. It's matter of balancing these values in relation to each other, not being against these values themselves.
Two quick points if i may,
1. That varies person to person rather than party to party.
2. That's an information processing issue, not a value issue.
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But at that level, all discussion of values becomes meaningless since one could argue that everybody basically holds to the same.
In other words, it's to imagine value-systems as simple binaries of on/off or yes/no rather than as hierarchies of priority. In the abortion issue, priorities of values are clearly in conflict, as is the primacy of one interpretive paradigm over another.
The definition is right there in the literal meaning of the word value. How much does someone value a thing relative to other things?
In this sense, I don't think it's wrong to say that both sides have some incompatible values, and personally I think it would be counterproductive to ignore that, though there is some desirable political expediency to claiming that the values are the same.
Not everybody, in totalitarian systems for example you could be taught to believe that individuality is bad or that charity is weakness. There's just not that kind of disconnect in this country. It's not that far apart in other words.
Lol I'm not running for office m8
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That's true.
I suppose it's just hard to see the level of polarisation in the US and not find that at least somewhat notable.
Lol. Well you gotta depolarise the place somehow. Maybe you should...
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Well let's think about this. Have I depolarized the forum at all? If the answer is no then it's probably not going to work any better on a larger scale.
Same as last time, pretty much.
No wonder I'm such a fan of Macron.
No wonder I'm such a fan of Macron.
Remember when I said I was going to do one of these? This is part of that. 
Remember when I said I was going to do one of these? This is part of that.
'Leftist' is interesting because in French it's a derogatory term. We just say 'left-wing'. 'Leftist' implies sectarianism (In French, that is).
Yeah by European standards I'd be pretty moderate. I wouldn't call myself a socialist really.
In Europe I think most people who identify as left-wing would be social democrat (moderate left). Even in France socialists are dying off.
The Democrats in the US seem more centre than left. I would say they are a little bit right of Macron.