[INFJ] On MBTI types

LucyJr said:
Superhead, INFJ "bad" girl, the Fe subtype.
[video=youtube;NPmb9hfzK5M]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPmb9hfzK5M[/video]
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Really? Would you mind explaining how you came to this conclusion?
 
I doubt it. Are you sure? That sounds like INFJs, not INTJs.
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Yeah. Both are highly emotional. I think there's an inocence in INTJs when they act emotional, like rage and stuff, it's something that they can't fully grasp, but it's present. Actually all thinkers have that. But given INTJs similarities with INFJs it's worth to note that. We, INFJs, are more emotionally sophisticated i believe, not really something to be proud of, because there's more manipulation behind the scenes when it comes to people's emotions.
Trent Reznor is an INTJ, he's the lead singer and composer of Nine Inch Nails, his music expresses a lot of pain and rage, there's a song called Hurt, and it's lyrics are not logical or level-headed at all, it's highly emotional, and extremely nihilistic.

I think we have a disagreement in terms here: when I say practical wisdom, I don't mean it as practicality, but the virtue of prudence, described by Arsitotle and explained in his Ethica book.
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Yeah, haven't read too much Aristotle, with the exceptions of some extracts and commentaries back in college. So yeah, i assumed something given your post. As for prudence, another famous example is Nietzsche, he wasn't prudent at all in his writings, but then, stone cold logical, the truth even if it hurts, ubermensch stuff, megalomaniac, a genius, a poet, extremely and painfully lucid in thought, but then... Irl he was just a bookworm who couldn't even get a date nor handle a day of work. An extreme example of course. Not saying that this is the case of all INTJs at all.


That's not true, because its logic after all. There is no kind of logic that makes sense for someone, for me or for you. Logic is logical.
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I was referring to types and people here. There's something in Te users that makes me think of that. It haves to do with being set on their ways and being like "deaf" to others. INFJs don't have that, even when we don't agree.



Now I think I understand what you are saying...that Te users take pride in their understanding, while Ti users do not? Is this what you are saying, that some are very proud in how well they logicaly understand things, while others not?
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Since it's extroverted it's more noticeable, but it's more nuanced than that. If they take pride or not, i can't say. Since INTJs are extraverted thinkers (supportive) they seem to have this need to make sense of something to fit their vision. Ti users seem more laid back generally.
 
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La Sagna said:
Really? Would you mind explaining how you came to this conclusion?
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I can not explain it by argumentation, because I don't type anyone like that.
Its more of a personal sense I have, I usualy quickly understand the person's type, and I'm not wrong.
Supehead comes very easily as a INFJ, just everything about her.
 
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Firstly, trent Razor is far from being a INTJ...he is actualy a INFJ, and his music is specific to INFJ "existential" crisis highly emotional world.
Te users are "set on their ways" because they have usualy a firmness of character. Te users understand very well the art of action, done according to some virtues, that's why they are "people of some depth".
 
Matt Damon, ESTJ.

[video=youtube;phEa_BNxeLI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phEa_BNxeLI[/video]
 
LucyJr said:
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Firstly, trent Razor is far from being a INTJ...he is actualy a INFJ, and his music is specific to INFJ "existential" crisis highly emotional world.
Te users are "set on their ways" because they have usualy a firmness of character. Te users understand very well the art of action, done according to some virtues, that's why they are "people of some depth".
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I see INFJs as more contemplative overall. Also they have a firm personality for the most part, possibly not as stern as their fellow INTJs, but still. Both can get delusional when unhealthy. Take a look at cognitive functions.

Also, no, Trent Reznor is not an INFJ, look at his interviews, there's no Fe there. Lots of solo-self-made kind of guy, among other things. The point that i was trying to make is that INTJs are not that far away from their emotions as they are made out to be.

He's an INFJ fwiw.

[video=youtube;2FpaGIUeb58]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FpaGIUeb58[/video]
 
Two ESJs actors: one is Roger Moore, former James Bond, and the other one is the famous Hugh Jackman.
What I love about Roger Moore is that he looks and speak like he doesn't take himself too seriously, like he finds all the talk a bit silly.
This is Roger Moore:

[video=youtube;PPtniLmDF-s]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPtniLmDF-s[/video]

And here is Hugh Jackman:

[video=youtube;JhKM3b4AUB4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhKM3b4AUB4[/video]


And here is another interview with Roger Moore when he was younger...he looks very alike Hugh jackman, in manner of expression, facial gesture...its like they are brothers. Notice the eyes that at times become deadly serious and its like they have "fire" in them, a asperity and seriosity is at the heart of ESTJ type.

[video=youtube;E7KeiwlKNMo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7KeiwlKNMo[/video]
 
And here we have the mirror of ESTJ, with exactly opposite functions, the ISTP Vladimir Putin.

[video=youtube;hniR-KVtUCo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hniR-KVtUCo[/video]

If you want to see a more "tough" and strong ISTP,(Putin is a type of ISTPs that are more immature and unbalanced) here is a video with a ISTP christian pastor, brother Zac Poonen.

[video=youtube;YVKUAM06ygA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVKUAM06ygA[/video]


Notice how he turns his head...with all his body. Usualy ISTPs don't like to turn their head, their neck is unmovable. Also when they walk they do it as if stemping the ground, slow and strong walk...exactly the kind of walk that the typical ESTJ have. Also ESTJs don't like to turn their heads, kind of like ISTPs in this aspect.

[video=youtube;HbrgwT9T0SM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbrgwT9T0SM[/video]
 
INFJ young guy right here, Ben Whishaw. He is a pretty rare INFJ: his overall posture, and all the dramatic way in which he speaks suggests strong Fe, but he is also very much Ni+Ti, I like the way he speaks, he does not seems dumb at all. At times, he reminds me very clear of the ENFJ the Ni subtype, just his manner and vibe. Perhaps someone might say he is actualy a ENFJ, but he isn't, he is a INFJ. (ENFJs, even the Ni subtype, can be strong willed enough to be assertive, and that's what makes them stand out!)

[video=youtube;x3pXZhxpyW0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3pXZhxpyW0[/video]


Here is another INFJ young guy, his name is Tupac Shakur. He is the Fe subtype, can you see the difference between the two?:

[video=youtube;tHOrL-qcwRU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHOrL-qcwRU[/video]


Here we have another "kind" of INFJ, a more introverted one, Ni+Ti Fe-ed type of INFJ.

[video=youtube;FvotAVMFKEY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvotAVMFKEY[/video]
 
Another INFJ, the Ni subtype, Cillian Murphy:

[video=youtube;OoabEkzrejI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoabEkzrejI[/video]
 
Here we have a INTJ, Ron Paul, the Ni subtype. Here is a bit of Socionics on INTJs:

Quickly assesses a situation or a new project from the point of view of its feasibility and practicality. Likes realistic goals, while the methods of achieving them he finds himself or through intermediaries. Inclined to make rational actions. Takes note of all the details of the case presented to him, emphasizing main ones and brushing unimportant ones aside. Is able to extract maximum returns while applying minimum of effort. Capable of making accurate economic and political predictions. Encourages people to be active, but also warns against any activities that are useless in his opinion. Notices all the contradictions and imperfections of his surrounding world. Due to a developed sense of skepticism it is difficult for him to properly assess the potential of new ventures and people's abilities. While calling for prudence, he can cool any excessive enthusiasm with subtle irony.




So yeah, a very good proof you have a INTJ is if he can do economic or political predictions. Now here is Ron Paul:

[video=youtube;zGDisyWkIBM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM[/video]
 
Two INTJs fighting one on one: Ron Paul vs Paul Krugman: they are both INTJs, they are both "Paul"'s. and they are both the Ni subtype.

[video=youtube;-aVpaUMK2oA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aVpaUMK2oA[/video]
 
LucyJr said:
Here is another INFJ young guy, his name is Tupac Shakur. He is the Fe subtype, can you see the difference between the two?:

[video=youtube;tHOrL-qcwRU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHOrL-qcwRU[/video]
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Didn't watch the whole video, but my money's on ENF J/P. Certainly not an INFJ, he's too fluid in interviews, and i mean, remarkably so.
 
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Christopher Hitchens was a INFJ:

[video=youtube;lUH4RzAofv8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUH4RzAofv8[/video]
 
LucyJr said:
I can not explain it by argumentation, because I don't type anyone like that.
Its more of a personal sense I have, I usualy quickly understand the person's type, and I'm not wrong.
Supehead comes very easily as a INFJ, just everything about her.
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But how do you know you're right? Especially with celebrities, you can't tell their true personalities because they're always on in front of a camera.

Without really knowing someone, how can you type them?
 
LucyJr said:
Two INTJs fighting one on one: Ron Paul vs Paul Krugman: they are both INTJs, they are both "Paul"'s. and they are both the Ni subtype.

[video=youtube;-aVpaUMK2oA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aVpaUMK2oA[/video]
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Must be why I like Ron Paul...
 
LucyJr said:
And here we have the mirror of ESTJ, with exactly opposite functions, the ISTP Vladimir Putin.

[video=youtube;hniR-KVtUCo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hniR-KVtUCo[/video]

If you want to see a more "tough" and strong ISTP,(Putin is a type of ISTPs that are more immature and unbalanced) here is a video with a ISTP christian pastor, brother Zac Poonen.

[video=youtube;YVKUAM06ygA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVKUAM06ygA[/video]


Notice how he turns his head...with all his body. Usualy ISTPs don't like to turn their head, their neck is unmovable. Also when they walk they do it as if stemping the ground, slow and strong walk...exactly the kind of walk that the typical ESTJ have. Also ESTJs don't like to turn their heads, kind of like ISTPs in this aspect.

[video=youtube;HbrgwT9T0SM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbrgwT9T0SM[/video]
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Putin has been classified and intj...
 
Eventhorizon said:
Putin has been classified and intj...
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That must be because the people who classified him like that are very stupid. There are a alot of stupid people in the world, that missunderstand things to such degree that is frightening.
 
say what said:
But how do you know you're right? Especially with celebrities, you can't tell their true personalities because they're always on in front of a camera.
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No one can be a good enough actor. The true colors of any person can be seen easily if you have good eyes for people.


Without really knowing someone, how can you type them?
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People have some characteristics that stand out in powerful contrast with their other characteristics. Every cognitive type has some recognisable characteristics. If you know them and you are used to them, you can easily observe and recognise them even in people who you have little knowledge about their "real" life.

As for knowing someone, you don't expect that psychologists like Jung spent some time with people, 'getting to know them a bit", about their "real" lives, in order to recognise and type them.
That would be very: 1. Impolite and improper and 2. Not very efficient.

Also, I am a INFJ, one of the few "real" INFJs I know are on this forum. In Socionics, INFJs are described as having the capacity or ability to recognise people's main characteristics and even idiosyncrasies.
That means when I see a ESTJ for example, sometimes only after two seconds after I see the person, I already know in my front lies a ESTJ person. They have a style that is unmistakable, they way they talk, the way they walk, the way they move, and finaly, the way they act. And so is with every other MBTI type.

I hope that answers to your questions.
I don't have the pretention that everyone I type is the correct type, but for most people I type, I can say with 100% certainty they are the type I am recognising in them. I can bet for that with anybody.

For example, if you and I we are to walk on a street and we would just talk with people, and you would say to me "What is this person's type?" and I would answer "This person is a ESFP!" and you will check my answer with a MBTI professional or a socionist (whcih implies the respective person will make some tests) you will see I am right.
 
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