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Mitt Rommey is a ESTJ, and Obama is a ISJF, the Se subtype.
ISFJs are known for their psychological offensive attacks against their opponents: straight shots, in very sensible places. ISFJs are masters to that.
This is the trick Obama used over and over again to battle and defeat his much stronger opponent, the ESTJ Rommey.
Notice how many times in the debate Rommey says: "We need strong leadership!"

[video=youtube;hx1mjT73xYE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hx1mjT73xYE[/video]
 
ISFJ girl, the Se subtype.

[video=youtube;932Bd7KvD-w]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=932Bd7KvD-w[/video]
 
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Here we have Joel Plasket, a pretty good example of a young typical INFJ, and on the other hand, we have James Spader, your typical ENFJ wonderful "prince", the charming guy. Watch the difference. Can you see the difference between the two?

[video=youtube;bdNbxPkoxVI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdNbxPkoxVI[/video]

James Spade:

[video=youtube;dlvnPAXmnSg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlvnPAXmnSg[/video]
 
I dont agree that Obama is an I at all. I think very few politicians can be.
 
David Letterman, is a ISTJ, the Te subtypes.

[video=youtube;JQJbf6Vv6go]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQJbf6Vv6go[/video]

And here is a middle-age ISTJ man, the Si subtype, Vladimir Vysotsky.

[video=youtube;W3S2wHcCpGs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3S2wHcCpGs[/video]
 
ENFP woman Jewel Staite. Watch how graceful and self-controled she moves and speaks. She is the Fi subtype.

[video=youtube;FjTU1WIh_JA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjTU1WIh_JA[/video]
 
Robert Redfort, a ESTJ. Those are the big people, the ones that make important decisions for other people.

[video=youtube;8FtyDcm432Y]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FtyDcm432Y[/video]
 
Chris MArtin, a ESTJ young man.
[video=youtube;zN_jdwVtPVE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zN_jdwVtPVE[/video]
 
Tim Russert, another ESTJ man. Those are the kind of ESTJs that have a steely determination of will, there is unbroken firmness, steadfastness, a resolutness in everything they do. Very rare and influential people.

[video=youtube;-mWzGTWrEow]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mWzGTWrEow[/video]


And here is Tim Russert, with another ESTJ, Mitt Rommey.

[video=youtube;3QycLM6euhg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QycLM6euhg[/video]
 
The difference between ESTJ and ESTP is a few words:

-ESTPs are kind of like a tank that walk over anything, and can not be stoped...ESTJ are not a tank, but they are a anti-tank rocket; if a ESTJ and a ESTP get into a confrontation, the ESTP pride will have to suffer: the ESTJ will simply block the ESTP, in a absolute and decisive will, that signals to the ESTP that he will have to fight if he is to advance any further;

-ESTPs are more like conquesrors (Se), they advance, and are great tacticians, while ESTJs hold their ground (Te+Si)

-ESTPs are more daring and bold, while ESTJs are more like courageous, their stances is always in acordance with defending some specific causes or decisions, they never make moves just for the sake of moving, what ESTP usualy do;

-ESTPs do have a cast iron self-control, which is to be praised and virtuous, while ESTJs usualy don't have self-control; for example, a ESTJ may rage in uncontrolable anger, while ESTPs rarely do this, and when they do, they can still be in control;

-ESTJs do have "moral material" in them: they are kind, caring, loving, thoughtful and wise, while with ESTPs, they do have some moral qualities, like sincerity (or non-hypocrisy), but in general, they do not like to think of themself as "loving beings". It sounds stupid for them.

-ESTPs have a unbrokable force of will to them, that continously manage to gain the admiration of people, hovewer, ESTPs to that for the thing itself, just to attract, or to demonstrate their superiority; ESTJs never push in a wilful manner for insignificant reason, but only if the situation asks for it, or if it is necessarely for defending a casue, or something that matter much to them;
 
The difference between ESTJ and ESTP is a few words:

-ESTPs are kind of like a tank that walk over anything, and can not be stoped...ESTJ are not a tank, but they are a anti-tank rocket; if a ESTJ and a ESTP get into a confrontation, the ESTP pride will have to suffer: the ESTJ will simply block the ESTP, in a absolute and decisive will, that signals to the ESTP that he will have to fight if he is to advance any further;

-ESTPs are more like conquesrors (Se), they advance, and are great tacticians, while ESTJs hold their ground (Te+Si)

-ESTPs are more daring and bold, while ESTJs are more like courageous, their stances is always in acordance with defending some specific causes or decisions, they never make moves just for the sake of moving, what ESTP usualy do;

-ESTPs do have a cast iron self-control, which is to be praised and virtuous, while ESTJs usualy don't have self-control; for example, a ESTJ may rage in uncontrolable anger, while ESTPs rarely do this, and when they do, they can still be in control;

-ESTJs do have "moral material" in them: they are kind, caring, loving, thoughtful and wise, while with ESTPs, they do have some moral qualities, like sincerity (or non-hypocrisy), but in general, they do not like to think of themself as "loving beings". It sounds stupid for them.

-ESTPs have a unbrokable force of will to them, that continously manage to gain the admiration of people, hovewer, ESTPs to that for the thing itself, just to attract, or to demonstrate their superiority; ESTJs never push in a wilful manner for insignificant reason, but only if the situation asks for it, or if it is necessarely for defending a casue, or something that matter much to them;

I want to correct this by writting the followings:

-ESTPs are naturaly the most wilful and determined people to acomplish something, even more then any ESTJ. ESTPs come alive in the face of adversity...the much harder the situation gets, their will and determination grows in proportion to the situation. If one has the opportunity to see a ESTP in real life action, its very impressive and unique. One will get the idea of what the old poets and lyricists were describing in their heroes.
A well known ESTP writter, Earnest Hamilton, was writting..."Courage is grace under pressure!" That's a perfect description of what is the essence of ESTP...they smile in the face of hard situations, smiling with grace, knowing how to win, and if they lose, how to retreat with grace.
So there is a boldness and confidence in everything ESTP.


ESTJs on the other hand, are much more experienced with regard to practical life, they have perhaps more than any type that prudence or practical wisdom described by Aristotle. So in one sense, it is soundly true that ESTJs are the most mature and responsable out of all types. They are people of deliberate choice, according to their own judgement, for the purpose of good, by means of good. They seek by their decisions to understand in depth the implication and role of every action. This is a kind of art, a art of choice, a art of decision, a deadly art, because its a art that perfects the values and virtues of a man, but it can also make it imperfect and evil, dragging the person in vice and moral death.

So this is what makes ESTJs stand out by far superior to any other types. That's why ESTJs can be fully confident in shutting the mouth of people, and even being nasty about it, because they know and see, and understand they are more responsible and more mature then other people. So yeah, ESTJs enjoy putting people "back in their place"...

Also, what is very evident and beautiful in ESTJs is their courage. They are not afraid of anything which shouldn't be afraid, and that includes ESTPs. Althought ESTPs have a much more strong psychonomy, ESTPs are considered to be bold, which is a kind of agressive courage that moves forth, while ESTJs have the classic courage, that virtue of character that defends the acts of the one who has courage. So the kind of boldness or courage that ESTJs have is the "I believe this and I do this, and I am standing on my ground, I am not afraid by anything!" kind of courage. Its a courage that defends without the slightest bit of fear what is precious to the person which has this virtue.

So again, by far ESTPs are superior in boldness than ESTJs, but if the ESTJ must defend something which matters to him, by virtue of courage, he is not afraid by anyone, not even a ESTP. That's the beauty of courage, it makes the person bold as a lion when he has to be!

But then, what is so special and why ESTPs are so strong? After all, they usualy don't defend anything to be praised, or at least they don't do this naturaly, only if they are taught to. So they don't have that virtue of courage, because courage is to be used for something good, its a virtue that defends with determination of will a good, something that must be defended.
Also ESTPs don't have practical wisdom or prudence. Then what is about them?

The answer is pretty interesting I think. Aristotle talks in his writtings about a certain kind of men who have the virtue of continenece, also called strenght of will, or strenght on oneself, or self-control. Its a mix of virtue and vice, althought taken on the whole, its a virtue. It basically means that althought the person who is continent is not a virtuos person, it has a kind of personal integrity, a person with personal rules. Its a person who can master himself, a person who althought is not virtuos, is in control of himself, unlike a person which is not virtuos, and also has no continence, and therefore is a stupid person, a idiot which can not be trusted even for oneself.

So that's what makes ESTPs so special...althogut they don't understand and they don't practice virtuous acts, like ESTJs do (and also ISTJs, ENTJs and INTJs, INFPs, ENFPs, ISFJs), they have the cacpacity of will to control themself, and that is to be praised. That's why people respect ESTPs always, althought sometimes they might wonder why, or have doubt about their respect for ESTPs (I am talking about people who know when a person if worhty of respect), because they don't see virtuos acts within ESTPs, but there is something in ESTPs (and ISTPs of course) that demands respect and worth. That is the virtue of self-control. ESTPs and ISTPs posses this virtue to its fulness.
 
By the way, Dostoievski in one of his book (I don't remember which one, but I think it was the one about his experience in Syberian prison) describes a ESTP (in my opinion) prisoner. He uses words like wilful, self-control to describe the person, and he is evidently (Dostoievski was a INFJ, a Introverted Intuitive) in awe of the prisoner's self-control and wilful grace, althought the prisoner was a killer, and Dostoievski couldn't comprehend this apparent paradox.
 
What is the virtue of INFJs and INTJs, the virtue of Introverted Intuitives? The capacity to contemplate, the natural inclination to engage in the act of contemplation. Introverted Intuitives are natural philosophers, more then any other types.
The difference between INFJs and INTJs is that also INTJs posses a good amount of practical wisdom or prudence. INTJs can be with their head in the clouds or dreamy, but still their legs are firmly planted on the ground.
That's the difference. This can be seen also in real life, if you take one INFJ and one INTJ to give a personal opinion of a problem or a situation. If the problem has implications that have a practical nature, the INFJ will go confidently wrong, and will tell stupid things, because INFJs can not judge correctly things of practical nature, because he lacks practical wisdom (the mark of Te), while INTJs do have practical wisdom, and also Ni, the power to contemplate, to think in long range. So a INTJ usualy is much more balanced then a INFJ, because his Ni will work much better in acordance with his sense of practical logic, the mark of his secondary Te.

That's why the world is has many INFJ idiots and cranks, who are fully confident in what they are saying, yet they don't understand they judge things wrongly, because they don't have a sense of practical logic, they miss a important part of reality.
And I'm saying this because many INFJs are very used to believe in their knowledge, and in one sense, this is right, in the matters which don't imply practicality, and things that belong to common sense, yes, they are very good philosophers or scientist there...but in other situations, which have practical implications, the INFJs intuition sucks, because its not grounded.
You need a INTJ there to give a analysis of the situation, not a INFJ to stick his nose like a idiot, without a slightest sense of responsability for what they are saying (because INFJs don't like to be accounted for their words and action...only when those are good!)
 
James Deen, the famous pornstar. This idiot smells like INFJ...just everything about him. That's why he is so appealing eroticaly to women, he plays mind games, everything is manipulation for him. Guys like him are not very rare...I know two like him that live in my city.

[video=youtube;89EZuznHYN4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89EZuznHYN4[/video]
 
Here we go, ENFJ woman, in her 50's, the Ni subtype. This is the impression all the Beta group make on first appearence: they appear as strong people, mature, solidly standing on their feets. This is especially available for ESTPs, ISTPs, and ENFJs, and sometimes even for INFJs. Yet in reality, the Beta group can be considered "mature" in comparation with all other types only when they are in their 20's, but as the years pass by, the truth will show the colors of Beta types: immature people, wanting and living to impress all their lives, lead by their vices. There is no real growth to those people...many of them remain childrens for the rest of their lives. Their actions speak as a child speak, even tough Socionics clearly states that they are the most wilful and vigurous types in typology, the most youthful and energetic. (Yeap, that includes INFJs also, read Socionics if you want to understand more).


[video=youtube;15j9NuiLgj4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15j9NuiLgj4[/video]
 
Dita Von Teese, FINFJ, the Ni subtype.

[video=youtube;kKXjcLGc9vc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKXjcLGc9vc[/video]
 
Superhead, INFJ "bad" girl, the Fe subtype.
[video=youtube;NPmb9hfzK5M]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPmb9hfzK5M[/video]
 
What is the virtue of INFJs and INTJs, the virtue of Introverted Intuitives? The capacity to contemplate, the natural inclination to engage in the act of contemplation. Introverted Intuitives are natural philosophers, more then any other types.
The difference between INFJs and INTJs is that also INTJs posses a good amount of practical wisdom or prudence. INTJs can be with their head in the clouds or dreamy, but still their legs are firmly planted on the ground.
That's the difference. This can be seen also in real life, if you take one INFJ and one INTJ to give a personal opinion of a problem or a situation. If the problem has implications that have a practical nature, the INFJ will go confidently wrong, and will tell stupid things, because INFJs can not judge correctly things of practical nature, because he lacks practical wisdom (the mark of Te), while INTJs do have practical wisdom, and also Ni, the power to contemplate, to think in long range. So a INTJ usualy is much more balanced then a INFJ, because his Ni will work much better in acordance with his sense of practical logic, the mark of his secondary Te.

That's why the world is has many INFJ idiots and cranks, who are fully confident in what they are saying, yet they don't understand they judge things wrongly, because they don't have a sense of practical logic, they miss a important part of reality.
And I'm saying this because many INFJs are very used to believe in their knowledge, and in one sense, this is right, in the matters which don't imply practicality, and things that belong to common sense, yes, they are very good philosophers or scientist there...but in other situations, which have practical implications, the INFJs intuition sucks, because its not grounded.
You need a INTJ there to give a analysis of the situation, not a INFJ to stick his nose like a idiot, without a slightest sense of responsability for what they are saying (because INFJs don't like to be accounted for their words and action...only when those are good!)

My view is that both, INTJ and INFJ are highly unbalanced in some aspects. As for practical wisdom, don't see it, INTJs can be incredibly emotional and unpractical, INTJs are noted to make usual leaps in their thinking process and arriving to conclusions WAY too quickly.
I see INTJs as more reductionistic with certain details to fit their vision, this can look like practicality, but it's not imo. In the other hand, INFJs have something similar, but it's not as simplifying as with their fellow thinkers. Te users have something that makes me think of emotionally attached to their logic, or how things makes sense for them. And i don't see that in me, nor in the INFJs that i've seen, Ti as a function is not as compromising as the extroverted counterpart i think.
 
Sarah Slean, INFJ, Fe subtype:

[video=youtube;rCxZVKEC3kc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCxZVKEC3kc[/video]
 
My view is that both, INTJ and INFJ are highly unbalanced in some aspects.
Agree, but I think INFJs are much more unbalanced than INTJs.

As for practical wisdom, don't see it,
How you can see it or not if you don't understand it? That's the thing, INFJs don't understand practical wisdom, they can not differenciate between people who have this virtue and does who dont have it. Its foreign to them.

INTJs can be incredibly emotional and unpractical, INTJs are noted to make usual leaps in their thinking process and arriving to conclusions WAY too quickly.
I doubt it. Are you sure? That sounds like INFJs, not INTJs.


I see INTJs as more reductionistic with certain details to fit their vision, this can look like practicality, but it's not imo.
I think we have a disagreement in terms here: when I say practical wisdom, I don't mean it as practicality, but the virtue of prudence, described by Arsitotle and explained in his Ethica book.

In the other hand, INFJs have something similar, but it's not as simplifying as with their fellow thinkers. Te users have something that makes me think of emotionally attached to their logic, or how things makes sense for them.
That's not true, because its logic after all. There is no kind of logic that makes sense for someone, for me or for you. Logic is logical.


And i don't see that in me, nor in the INFJs that i've seen, Ti as a function is not as compromising as the extroverted counterpart i think.

Now I think I understand what you are saying...that Te users take pride in their understanding, while Ti users do not? Is this what you are saying, that some are very proud in how well they logicaly understand things, while others not?