[INFJ] On MBTI types
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Here we have Stephen Colbert...he is the very typical ENTP, the Ti subtype. One of those ENTPs when they get older, they can become self-confident and self-assured, kind of like ESTJs or INTJs are.
Anderson Cooper is a INFJ dude...he is also gay and his stare is kind of weird.
[video=youtube;yLajkoH54zU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLajkoH54zU[/video]
Notice the difference between the two: one looks and acts like a idiot, has little if none maturity and any "weight" in his overall persona, while the other one definately has a weight to him, something that is worthy of respect and admiration. You can tell which one is which one...
Again, I'm not turning down INFJs. Not all INFJs are like Anderson Cooper, but this guy is a pretty good example of how many INFJs "gone wrong" (not with respect to his sexual prefference) can be as real persons, in real life.
I woudn't trust nor like mr. Anderson if I'll meet him in real life...because nothing in him makes me think of trust or any worth of respect...althought I bet if the intelligent Colbert would try a chess game with Cooper, he would probably get his Ne "Ni-ed".
Anderson Cooper is a INFJ dude...he is also gay and his stare is kind of weird.
[video=youtube;yLajkoH54zU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLajkoH54zU[/video]
Notice the difference between the two: one looks and acts like a idiot, has little if none maturity and any "weight" in his overall persona, while the other one definately has a weight to him, something that is worthy of respect and admiration. You can tell which one is which one...
Again, I'm not turning down INFJs. Not all INFJs are like Anderson Cooper, but this guy is a pretty good example of how many INFJs "gone wrong" (not with respect to his sexual prefference) can be as real persons, in real life.
I woudn't trust nor like mr. Anderson if I'll meet him in real life...because nothing in him makes me think of trust or any worth of respect...althought I bet if the intelligent Colbert would try a chess game with Cooper, he would probably get his Ne "Ni-ed".
Julie bowen is a ESTJ woman. She is kind of bitchy, trying to intimidate the poor Anderson Cooper.
I've read in Socionics just recently that ESTJs very much try to intimidate people...isn't that funny?
[video=youtube;daln_g0G5jk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daln_g0G5jk[/video]
I've read in Socionics just recently that ESTJs very much try to intimidate people...isn't that funny?
[video=youtube;daln_g0G5jk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daln_g0G5jk[/video]
Notice what they say at the beginning. Conan says that Simon's "power grows" when a crowd turns on him, or when he is "boowed".
And that right there, is a pretty accurate but poor description of the strenght of Se...that's exactly how Se users, especialy ESTP and ISTPs are. Their force grows proportionaly to the situations...Its just amazing!
Here is a very very typical ENFJ girl.
Notice the way she speaks: she makes a good impression, she has kind of determination, a bit of courage in the way she speaks. Also right at the beginning of the video, you can see her head held up, with a slighty bit of pride/arrogance, which is not real arrogance, its just a face ENFJs put on, to maintain their advantages. (the "confident" image and all that shit).
Also when she say "Hy guys", notice the weird and angular movement she makes with her hand, as if she has problems with coordination. That's another thing specific to ENFJs...when you see that in real life, its so goofy that you can't abstain from bursting in laughs.
But the overall character and acts of ENFJs are not like that at all: they are people who are far from being mature, many of them spent their lives like INFJs do, following their fantasy, confusing real world with dream world.
ENFJs are very look alike ESFJs...kind of the same style, but very different people of course.
[video=youtube;n7ncBMki-gE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7ncBMki-gE[/video]
Just for comparation sake, here is a ENFP girl, Ivanka Trump, the daughter of Donald Trump.
She and her father are both ENFPs, but a very rare breed of ENFPs: somehow they are less dreamier then the typical ENFP, and with a more developed Te, they have a inclination for concerted action, like all Te users have. They appear to be more confident and strong then the typical ENFP, and at times, especialy males, can appear self-confident and self-reliable.
But this is just with regard to action...paradoxcaly, those kind of ENFPs can be more immature and narcissistic then a typical ENFP, speaking of character.
Also, many of them have a very emotionaly changeable disposition...very moody and even melancholic.
They also have those flashes of courage, sometimes just in the way they speak.
So here is Ivanka Trump...
[video=youtube;4J4Cpyrfxb4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4J4Cpyrfxb4[/video]
One could almost say Ivanka is a ENFJ, just like the other girl, but she is actualy a ENFP.
Notice the way she speaks: she makes a good impression, she has kind of determination, a bit of courage in the way she speaks. Also right at the beginning of the video, you can see her head held up, with a slighty bit of pride/arrogance, which is not real arrogance, its just a face ENFJs put on, to maintain their advantages. (the "confident" image and all that shit).
Also when she say "Hy guys", notice the weird and angular movement she makes with her hand, as if she has problems with coordination. That's another thing specific to ENFJs...when you see that in real life, its so goofy that you can't abstain from bursting in laughs.
But the overall character and acts of ENFJs are not like that at all: they are people who are far from being mature, many of them spent their lives like INFJs do, following their fantasy, confusing real world with dream world.
ENFJs are very look alike ESFJs...kind of the same style, but very different people of course.
[video=youtube;n7ncBMki-gE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7ncBMki-gE[/video]
Just for comparation sake, here is a ENFP girl, Ivanka Trump, the daughter of Donald Trump.
She and her father are both ENFPs, but a very rare breed of ENFPs: somehow they are less dreamier then the typical ENFP, and with a more developed Te, they have a inclination for concerted action, like all Te users have. They appear to be more confident and strong then the typical ENFP, and at times, especialy males, can appear self-confident and self-reliable.
But this is just with regard to action...paradoxcaly, those kind of ENFPs can be more immature and narcissistic then a typical ENFP, speaking of character.
Also, many of them have a very emotionaly changeable disposition...very moody and even melancholic.
They also have those flashes of courage, sometimes just in the way they speak.
So here is Ivanka Trump...
[video=youtube;4J4Cpyrfxb4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4J4Cpyrfxb4[/video]
One could almost say Ivanka is a ENFJ, just like the other girl, but she is actualy a ENFP.
Here is a ENFJ dude, the Ni subtype. The Ni subtype is very different from the Fe subtype: they are more emotional and soft, more melancholic, and they have artistic inclinations.
[video=youtube;3qX7bbJ17lY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qX7bbJ17lY[/video]
[video=youtube;3qX7bbJ17lY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qX7bbJ17lY[/video]
Here are two ENTJs guys, one is the Ni subtype, Gerard Butler, and the other one is the Te subtype, the well-known actor, Denzel Washington.
Te subtype is more harsh and active, while the Ni subtype has a strong habit of reflection, despite having a natural tendency toward concerted action.
[video=youtube;0Mj57p51weE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Mj57p51weE[/video]
[video=youtube;IrhFmIzJkHU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrhFmIzJkHU[/video]
This is the mark of ENTJs: very likeable people, simple but straight-forward and just, its hard to not love them. Speaking of their maturity, they are pretty responsible people, but they are not like ESTJs and ISTJs, in this aspect.
They are more like what is acceptable for a man to be. They seek and interest in matters of justice, how to protect society, they are aware of the implications of their actions and of others. Their area of interest lies more in development, in bringing the new, in innovation. Like ESTJs and ISTJs, they seek to be a "model" citicisen.
Te subtype is more harsh and active, while the Ni subtype has a strong habit of reflection, despite having a natural tendency toward concerted action.
[video=youtube;0Mj57p51weE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Mj57p51weE[/video]
[video=youtube;IrhFmIzJkHU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrhFmIzJkHU[/video]
This is the mark of ENTJs: very likeable people, simple but straight-forward and just, its hard to not love them. Speaking of their maturity, they are pretty responsible people, but they are not like ESTJs and ISTJs, in this aspect.
They are more like what is acceptable for a man to be. They seek and interest in matters of justice, how to protect society, they are aware of the implications of their actions and of others. Their area of interest lies more in development, in bringing the new, in innovation. Like ESTJs and ISTJs, they seek to be a "model" citicisen.
Speaking of extrovert-introverted pairs of cognitive type, the ENTJ and INTJ pair is one of the most unlikely and contrasting.
ENTJs are simple, even humble, yet strong and just, characterised by democratic behaviour.
INTJs are very introverted, can have a world of their own, can be really arrogant people. If they are not arrogant( Which is true to many INTJs), they are farshigted and prudent, calm and balanced in behaviour, very unlike their extroverted brothers, who are emotional, impulsive and energetic, sometimes given to unthinkable acts.
ENTJs are simple, even humble, yet strong and just, characterised by democratic behaviour.
INTJs are very introverted, can have a world of their own, can be really arrogant people. If they are not arrogant( Which is true to many INTJs), they are farshigted and prudent, calm and balanced in behaviour, very unlike their extroverted brothers, who are emotional, impulsive and energetic, sometimes given to unthinkable acts.
The difference between the Beta "courage" and confidence, vs the Gamma or Delta or Alpha group courage and confidence.
The Beta Socionics group is formed by those four types: ESTPs, ISTPs, ENFJs and INFJs. According to Socionics, those are people who are supremely strong willed and incredibly confident in their skills and capacity to "hold" the power.
So, let's establish some points that describe those people:
1. Those people are people with a incredible huge ego...they idealise themselfs so much, that they even come to believe it, and what is more incredibly, they take themselfs seriously on this. For each type:
a. ESTPs ego lies in their capacity to assert themselfs and establish domination in a brutal way, that accepts no "bullshit", no questioning on their authority. It also lies in their seemmingly capacity to be fearless, and incredibly skilfull tactician capabilities, to be always "ahead of the game", to be never surprised by anyone and by nothing, to be "first".
b. ISTPs ego are based on a idealised view of stoicism coupled with strenght...a kind of "intelligent strenght". ISTPs always pride themselfs of their capacity to follow "justice", althought their judgements in matters of justice are always wrong and from unsincere motivations, because it is a idealised justice...they play a fantasy in their mind, but they never understand the true implications of justice, of what it means to be a just person, to love justice...how could they understand justice when they think they are something special, when they have a superiority complex (which they must protect, otherwise they would switch to the inferior side...)?
c. ENFJs...those are interesting also. The typical ENFJs spent their lives "amazing" people who are dumb enought to swallow their shit. How does their idealised view of self looks like? Well, a aristocratic person, with artistic capabilities, filled with "mistery" and "unlimited potential", always "reading people" (which by the way, you can read people to a extend, but after a while, you will simply think you can read people, but it won't work from there), always "creating something", or "viewing things from a different perspective". ENFJs ideal view of themself would be to amaze people...when a person meets them, that person would say "Oh, that person is something true...I've never seen such a person". There is that element of special snowflaking themselfs to everyone and everything, even to rocks or wood if they can.
d. INFJs are in the line of all the "rare" and gifted poets and philosophers, who were "tormented" by their genius, who were always melancholic and always "great people", who were always "thinking at weighty things", who were(in their perceptions) ..."one of a kind". The INFJ ego by far exceeds that of ESTPs, ISTPs, and even ENFJs. INFJs idealise themselfs so much, that something there is nothing natural and nothing genuine in their behaviour and character...everyhting is around them, everything is about them, everything is self-centered around them. They have a elephant ego, always ready to defend it, always counting all the insults and all the "words", always being "supreme" in everything. To most of them, there is something incredibly self-important and incredibly narcissistic and ugly, just in the way they speak, or just in the way they look.
Don't get me wrong, all Beta types are self-important and plain idiots, but INFJs are the cherry on the top of it.
What I wrotte here mostly applies to those types who are the first function subtype, for example ESTP the Se subtype, ENFJ the Fe subtype and so on...
Why? because the second function always bring some kind of a better judgement and maturity. ESTP the Ti subtype still have their huge ego, but they are also more kind, more sentimental and they don't take their ego so seriously. ENFJs the Ni subtype are more soft and considerate, more friendly and sincere, and even humble in many ways. INFJs the Fe subtype are...they are a completely different person then the Ni subtype...affable, sincere, naive, but the element of special snowflaking is gone in them. ISTPs, the Se subtype, are carefree, friendly and always ready to help.
All of those types, when they press on their second function, are very naive and childish. Why? Because the idealise ego is almost gone, and their true colors are shown: immature people, with little experience and little development of their real character.
The Beta Socionics group is formed by those four types: ESTPs, ISTPs, ENFJs and INFJs. According to Socionics, those are people who are supremely strong willed and incredibly confident in their skills and capacity to "hold" the power.
So, let's establish some points that describe those people:
1. Those people are people with a incredible huge ego...they idealise themselfs so much, that they even come to believe it, and what is more incredibly, they take themselfs seriously on this. For each type:
a. ESTPs ego lies in their capacity to assert themselfs and establish domination in a brutal way, that accepts no "bullshit", no questioning on their authority. It also lies in their seemmingly capacity to be fearless, and incredibly skilfull tactician capabilities, to be always "ahead of the game", to be never surprised by anyone and by nothing, to be "first".
b. ISTPs ego are based on a idealised view of stoicism coupled with strenght...a kind of "intelligent strenght". ISTPs always pride themselfs of their capacity to follow "justice", althought their judgements in matters of justice are always wrong and from unsincere motivations, because it is a idealised justice...they play a fantasy in their mind, but they never understand the true implications of justice, of what it means to be a just person, to love justice...how could they understand justice when they think they are something special, when they have a superiority complex (which they must protect, otherwise they would switch to the inferior side...)?
c. ENFJs...those are interesting also. The typical ENFJs spent their lives "amazing" people who are dumb enought to swallow their shit. How does their idealised view of self looks like? Well, a aristocratic person, with artistic capabilities, filled with "mistery" and "unlimited potential", always "reading people" (which by the way, you can read people to a extend, but after a while, you will simply think you can read people, but it won't work from there), always "creating something", or "viewing things from a different perspective". ENFJs ideal view of themself would be to amaze people...when a person meets them, that person would say "Oh, that person is something true...I've never seen such a person". There is that element of special snowflaking themselfs to everyone and everything, even to rocks or wood if they can.
d. INFJs are in the line of all the "rare" and gifted poets and philosophers, who were "tormented" by their genius, who were always melancholic and always "great people", who were always "thinking at weighty things", who were(in their perceptions) ..."one of a kind". The INFJ ego by far exceeds that of ESTPs, ISTPs, and even ENFJs. INFJs idealise themselfs so much, that something there is nothing natural and nothing genuine in their behaviour and character...everyhting is around them, everything is about them, everything is self-centered around them. They have a elephant ego, always ready to defend it, always counting all the insults and all the "words", always being "supreme" in everything. To most of them, there is something incredibly self-important and incredibly narcissistic and ugly, just in the way they speak, or just in the way they look.
Don't get me wrong, all Beta types are self-important and plain idiots, but INFJs are the cherry on the top of it.
What I wrotte here mostly applies to those types who are the first function subtype, for example ESTP the Se subtype, ENFJ the Fe subtype and so on...
Why? because the second function always bring some kind of a better judgement and maturity. ESTP the Ti subtype still have their huge ego, but they are also more kind, more sentimental and they don't take their ego so seriously. ENFJs the Ni subtype are more soft and considerate, more friendly and sincere, and even humble in many ways. INFJs the Fe subtype are...they are a completely different person then the Ni subtype...affable, sincere, naive, but the element of special snowflaking is gone in them. ISTPs, the Se subtype, are carefree, friendly and always ready to help.
All of those types, when they press on their second function, are very naive and childish. Why? Because the idealise ego is almost gone, and their true colors are shown: immature people, with little experience and little development of their real character.
The Feelers are always assertive, in a nice and proper way.
That's why ENFJs and INFPs, ESFPs and ISFPs are always confident when they speak.
Take for example ENFJs...they speak so confortable, so naturaly, and so nice that they always win the respect of people. That is because of their Fe...a function that judges with regard to feelings.
That's why ENFJs and INFPs, ESFPs and ISFPs are always confident when they speak.
Take for example ENFJs...they speak so confortable, so naturaly, and so nice that they always win the respect of people. That is because of their Fe...a function that judges with regard to feelings.
Whydoes Ni, as a functon in itself has the potential to create a dangerous habit or vice, namely fantasy and idealising almost everything?
This is true for both INFJs and INTJs.
Because the nature of Ni is "global", it has a universal, global turn of mind. Plus, its the element of time, where the Ni users has almost a atemporal experience.
So very often, Ni users have a tendecy to consider the world a play world, a kind of huge field with toys to play around. People move, children run, images flash into the psyche moving, sounds sound, cars are moving and airplanes are flying, rain is falling down...its a huge spectacle, a huge diversity, so many information, perceived to its fullness by Ni.
So in the midst of all this spectacle, there is a tendency to superficiality, to transform it everything into a play ground, to turn it all into a fantasy, to miss the very essence of it, to CONFUSE the real world with the power of imagination, to FEED of illusions, to find meaning in illusions and images, to make the fantasy richer, bigger and more heart-breaking...
Its like a drug, a drug of imagination. Its everything mental, a kind of mental mapping of experience.
If this becomes a strong habit, everything changes...because everythting is perceived superficialy, and is not judged profoundly.
This is true for both INFJs and INTJs.
Because the nature of Ni is "global", it has a universal, global turn of mind. Plus, its the element of time, where the Ni users has almost a atemporal experience.
So very often, Ni users have a tendecy to consider the world a play world, a kind of huge field with toys to play around. People move, children run, images flash into the psyche moving, sounds sound, cars are moving and airplanes are flying, rain is falling down...its a huge spectacle, a huge diversity, so many information, perceived to its fullness by Ni.
So in the midst of all this spectacle, there is a tendency to superficiality, to transform it everything into a play ground, to turn it all into a fantasy, to miss the very essence of it, to CONFUSE the real world with the power of imagination, to FEED of illusions, to find meaning in illusions and images, to make the fantasy richer, bigger and more heart-breaking...
Its like a drug, a drug of imagination. Its everything mental, a kind of mental mapping of experience.
If this becomes a strong habit, everything changes...because everythting is perceived superficialy, and is not judged profoundly.