Is everyone racist? *thread split*

[muir]

Many social psychologists believe that everyone is racist to a certain degree but those that are not outwardly racist fight and overcome these tendencies in themselves. People have always belonged to groups that they identify with and the tendency is to highlight the perceived strengths of their own group to make themselves feel better and to look at other groups with fear and distrust.

I think that makes sense. I consider myself to not be racist but I can agree that I probably am to a certain degree but I know better so I overcome it. What doesn't make sense is that only 'white people' are racist. Caucasians in most parts of the world have had more power and have used their racist tendencies to gain power over other groups. That doesn't make them more racist just more powerful and therefore more dangerous. There is no doubt that non Caucasians are quite capable of being racist and to even cause great harm because of it when they get into positions of power. Even groups that are basically the same ethnicity group themselves through different identities such as religion and cause divisions among each other and are capable of great harm in the name of their group.

Do you know what always underpins imperialism?

Do you know what is always there and demonstrably so for example in the forming of the british empire and the neo-colonialism of the US ashkenazi neo-cons

FREEMASONRY...the building of solomons temple

Here is ashkenazi journalist Carl Bernstein admitting publically that the ashkenazi neo-cons behind the invasion of Iraq are 'jews'

[video=youtube;ZRlatDWqh0o]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRlatDWqh0o[/video]

 

[muir]

I'm not racist. I hate everyone equally.

I only have a problem with people when they fuck with my world

As soon as they stop fucking with my world i have no problem with them

I couldn't give a damn what 'race' someone is but if i find out that a certain group do define themselves racially and that they are trying to fuck with my world then i have a problem with them

So which is the racist?

Clearly the racist is the person who starts acting out along racial lines...which in this case is the ashkenazis

Any groups who defend themselves are not racist for doing so

 

[Lark]

I've heard from academics that racism is racialism, which everyone can possess in varying degrees, if you're race blind or "colour" blind it means your unconscious of your racialism, plus power. The theory goes then that while minorities could be racialist they are unlikely to be racist because they are powerless by virtue of their minority status.

So the theory goes.

I've got problems with that because no matter what minority someone belongs to they still possess power, someone who is marginalised and powerless as an ethnic minority could then possess power by virtue of being male or female, depending on the context etc.

Some people may experience multiple oppressions by virtue of being more powerless in a number of ways but even they are going to still possess power in some way and perahps could be the worse in those contexts for being powerless in others, like the mother abused by her partner, discriminated against as a minority, who then emotionally abuses and neglects her kids, possibly physically abuses too.

So powers a complex thing and if everyone is racialist then I think everyone can be racist too, do I think everyone is racialist? Perhaps, I think this may or may not be significant at any time or place, made more so by becoming a focal point.

Weber suggested in his own conflict theory contra Marx's conflict theory that things such as race and caste were constant conflicting factors of great importance and only in situations of real crisis did something as normally abstract as class struggle become a factor for anyone. So Weber would suggest that people are more liable to be racist, caste is a kind of racism afterall properly understood the indo-european racialist ideology has been revitalised in the canon of some more racialist neo-nazis and neo-fascists.

Personally I think that I've got certain preferences about the kinds of people I associate with, they are less about ethnicity than other factors, even at that I've found that vagaries are not often a good guide in contrast to the directly personal and practical. That said there are certain ethnic types I find attractive and others I dont, figure that's evolution working maybe, I dont know.

 

[muir]

Well surely racialism only works so far for example the study of genetics is re-writing our understanding of history

A case in point is the idea of a 'celtic' people when in fact they were a hodgepodge of peoples

Then history has said that Britain was formed by successive invasions that wiped out the existing people when genetics has shown that the people just mixed together

So as time goes on the 'races' are increasingly mixed together and therefore it becomes harder to speak about 'races'

Personally i am a mix of a whole bunch of 'races' and so are most people

I prefer to see humanity as one family under the sun. Unfortunately not everyone sees it that way

 

[the]

I've heard from academics that racism is racialism, which everyone can possess in varying degrees, if you're race blind or "colour" blind it means your unconscious of your racialism, plus power. The theory goes then that while minorities could be racialist they are unlikely to be racist because they are powerless by virtue of their minority status.

So the theory goes.

I've got problems with that because no matter what minority someone belongs to they still possess power, someone who is marginalised and powerless as an ethnic minority could then possess power by virtue of being male or female, depending on the context etc.

Some people may experience multiple oppressions by virtue of being more powerless in a number of ways but even they are going to still possess power in some way and perahps could be the worse in those contexts for being powerless in others, like the mother abused by her partner, discriminated against as a minority, who then emotionally abuses and neglects her kids, possibly physically abuses too.

So powers a complex thing and if everyone is racialist then I think everyone can be racist too, do I think everyone is racialist? Perhaps, I think this may or may not be significant at any time or place, made more so by becoming a focal point.

Weber suggested in his own conflict theory contra Marx's conflict theory that things such as race and caste were constant conflicting factors of great importance and only in situations of real crisis did something as normally abstract as class struggle become a factor for anyone. So Weber would suggest that people are more liable to be racist, caste is a kind of racism afterall properly understood the indo-european racialist ideology has been revitalised in the canon of some more racialist neo-nazis and neo-fascists.

Personally I think that I've got certain preferences about the kinds of people I associate with, they are less about ethnicity than other factors, even at that I've found that vagaries are not often a good guide in contrast to the directly personal and practical. That said there are certain ethnic types I find attractive and others I dont, figure that's evolution working maybe, I dont know.

i totally agree with you that minorities have power, especially in America. Their real problems are that they don't understand power enough to use what they have, and the power they want and think they know how to use is not the power they have.

i do think that all people are racist and I am fine with that. I don't think it is something that needs to be solved.

 

[Lark]

i totally agree greed with you that minorities have power, especially in America. Their real problems are that they don't understand power enough to use what they have, and the power they want and think they know how to use is not the power they have.

i do think that all people are racist and I am fine with that. I don't think it is something that needs to be solved.

I do think there's kinds of structural injustice but if you look at how different ethnic minoriites have responded to their historical oppression it tells a bit of a story you know, if you contrast the history of chinese, japanese and oriental peoples in the US, hell, even the Italians, with that of the African and Afrocarribean nations its pretty different.

Mind you I kind of have this thing were I believe that the head on assault, mutually assured destruction, "leninist" approach to challenging oppression isnt always the best, isnt good at all really, there are instead weapons of the weak which are used by oppressed people everywhere and in different contexts to try and mitigate and moderate what the hell is going on until such times as things are in their favour, which is, I dont know, maybe never. So that could be influencing my view of this.

Like I said I dont think everyone is racist, I think everyone might be racialist, they arent the same thing. I'm writing all this stream of consicousness style so I'm not expecting to appear too consistent.

It matters whether it is benign or malign though I think. Solved maybe isnt the right word, managed within limits.

 

[Delta]

No, not all people are racist. I suppose I listen to how people self describe and whether they think their view is a limitation or not. Those who do not think themselves limited and project their hatred onto others are the dangerous ones most likely to pursue discord and actual harm... but it may never actually occur to them that they are racist! See it all the time.

Racialism parading as nationalism is probably now more common. It is less overt - as it could be said that it is now universally known and felt that it is not ok to be outwardly racist ANYMORE. Wars can be sparked easily under nationalistic pride but really it is all very much linked to a seemingly inbuilt desire by certain races to be protected from exposure to different races from themselves, in my opinion.

 

[muir]

No, not all people are racist. I suppose I listen to how people self describe and whether they think their view is a limitation or not. Those who do not think themselves limited and project their hatred onto others are the dangerous ones most likely to pursue discord and actual harm... but it may never actually occur to them that they are racist! See it all the time.

Racialism parading as nationalism is probably now more common. Being less overt as it is could be said that it is now universally known and felt that it is not ok to be outwardly racist ANYMORE. Wars can be sparked easily under nationalistic pride but really it is all very much linked to a seemingly inbuilt desire by certain races to be protected from exposure to different races from themselves, in my opinion.

Can you please define 'racist'?

 

[Delta]

[MENTION=1871]muir[/MENTION].

I see two forms but really there is but one. I would term the original form to be based on skin colour, (historical racialism)

The other form is the minimisation of life based on a persons race but from a 'seemingly' economic view. This can now include many different communities.

Both perpetuate ideals of beauty, worth and place in the world which has actually influenced the persecuted races, who often cannot trace their ancestors beyond five, maybe six generations.

Racism now is the right to ignore and minimise historical racialism, usually via nationalistic pride.

 

[muir]

@muir .

I see two forms but really there is but one. I would term the original form to be based on skin colour, (historical racialism)

The other form is the minimisation of life based on a persons race but from a 'seemingly' economic view. This can now include many different communities.

Both perpetuate ideals of beauty, worth and place in the world which has actually influenced the persecuted races, who often cannot trace their ancestors beyond five, maybe six generations.

Racism now is the right to ignore and minimise historical racialism, usually via nationalistic pride.

Ok, i'd say that it was the belief that one group of people is superior (more valid) than another group

if you think about global affairs where do you think racism is manifesting most clearly at the moment?

 

[Delta]

Ok, i'd say that it was the belief that one group of people is superior (more valid) than another group

if you think about global affairs where do you think racism is manifesting most clearly at the moment?

I am not up to date on world affairs but yes I am aware of the very obvious differences in Jews. I researched this a while back and know what you are stating to be true about the false Jews.

Altogether, I just see the race issue as pretty in your face obvious. Opinions matter not, a person is either racist or not. Not everyone is or even can be racist.

 

[muir]

I am not up to date on world affairs but yes I am aware of the very obvious differences in Jews. I researched this a while back and know what you are stating to be true about the false Jews.

Altogether, I just see the race issue as pretty in your face obvious. Opinions matter not, a person is either racist or not. Not everyone is or even can be racist.

Sure but some things cloud the issue

For example those that call out the covert manipulations of the ashkenazis are often then called 'anti-semitic' by the ashkenazi 'anti-defamation league' (ADL) for simply pointing out the truth

The ashkenazis aren't even semitic!

So i don't think it is racist to point out how other people are being racist

 

[Delta]

Sure but some things cloud the issue

For example those that call out the covert manipulations of the ashkenazis are often then called 'anti-semitic' by the ashkenazi 'anti-defamation league' (ADL) for simply pointing out the truth

The ashkenazis aren't even semitic!

So i don't think it is racist to point out how other people are being racist

ADL are racists.

 

[muir]

ADL are racists.

Absolutely!

With a lot of blood on their hands

 

[Delta]

Absolutely!

With a lot of blood on their hands

Troubled people are the ones most targeted by groups such as ADL. Indoctrination isn't limited to religion! I can't say much but there are specialist people within the Police who work on a ground level to help those caught in potential counter terrorism and this service goes across ALL races - but the undercurrent is the same each time.

The world is fucked up only if we let it be by losing sight of the individual, who has no choice about their race.

People are not as complex as they like to imagine.

 

[Delta]

Anyhow, I'll leave you all to your discussion/venting.

 

[muir]

[video=youtube;LRLkwkG5nPE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRLkwkG5nPE#t=125[/video]

 

[slant]

FUCK. I was bumping this

AS A JOKE.


Can you guys please go to the "type me" thread that's the important thread.

Thanks

 

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[Tin Man]

When the Irish first started to emigrate to America we were referred to as the white nigger.

On those grounds I literally cannot be racist.