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    I could believe what I wanted in England as well... America is our child of Liberty not the other way around...
     
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    So you will maintain that the human species, ALL (or any one part) of the human species is incapable of caring that anyone/somone is dying? I think just to mention the obvious Ghandi and Sister Theresea might take exception to that premise.
     
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    Theresa is not a good example mate if you look at her history.
     
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    ANYWHO.... I hate political discussions. Back to the COVID-19 virus outbreak:

    I think it's important that we not let media send incorrect messages to people to push whatever agenda they have. I've seen some places saying that this virus is transmitted via fecal matter, others saying it's airborn. The fact is that the experts are not yet sure.

    I am used to going to the CDC for all my current data, but they're only as good as what they're allowed to post and the data given to them. For example, Massachusetts will often be one of the last locations to get out of the red zone for the flu every year according to them. That's not because the flu is worse here than other locations, that's because other locations have stopped reporting. It skews the perception. Also I have to remind myself that the CDC is very much a government entity. We've seen entire websites blasted off the web because the current administration doesn't like the data.

    I don't see any reason for anyone to panic over this virus. Panic sets in when the news outlets push it for higher ratings. We see it happen all the time with news forecasts. Something as simple as the first snow of the season is treated like a blizzard. Proper preventive measures, a calm, cool head and perhaps extra cleaning in areas that are heavily utilized may be all we really need.
     
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    Not all. Never all.

    I'm saying there are some, particularly apparent in that old generation that was raised in the 1940s who really don't give 2 cents is someone is dying if they're not in "their group". Yes, I'm talking about racism here. This is not the place to discuss this though. Another thread for it would be fine.
     
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    Actually I am NOT looking for a fight because on this list I lose that fight EVERY time (I may be new but I am not stupid). No what I am attempting to do for those with an open enough mind set is try and point out that putting ALL Republicans or ALL Democrats in the same wheel barrow is a very bad idea. That there are folks on here that want to deal with in stereotypes of Republicans as old white people with a lot of money is just foolish. And as MY experience has shown (and this is rather universal) once someone on the left feels compromised then the labeling/name calling starts. No, I am neither a Nazi (leftist organization) or a Communist (an even further left organization)

    And the reason for the "lad"? I don't know how that gets defined in England but I can't imagine for a second that I would qualify.
     
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    *chuckles* Mate you really need to chill out.

    The point of a debate is not to change people's minds. Its to exchange ideas.

    Someone may think that all Republicans are baby eating monsters. But you aren't going to change their mind. Trying is pointless.

    You can either
    a) Get offended and rant at a computer screen and people who really don't care to make yourself feel better whilst doing nothing useful
    b) Accept people are going to think that way, move on, and have a more productive life and relationship with others of a different opinion

    Choice is yours mate.

    And the Nazis are Left and Right. The Left - Right mythology is just that, a mythos. Politics isn't a single spectrum, its a multi-dimensional grid. Nazis are both left and right being both Nationalist and Socialist.

    So Nazis are Fascist and Socialist. Painting anything you don't like as Left Wing or Right Wing is just childish buddy.
     
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    I'm just going to butt in here because I feel it's ever so slightly needed.
    @larry806q You need to stop with this mess. I've seen you in other threads relating to the American political landscape, espousing the same sort of rhetoric, and frankly it's getting boring. This thread is about the COVID-19 and is not for you to start sharing your perspective on the forum's politics. I can only recall one time someone made a joke about Republicans dying - and they were sternly put down for it. This community is open minded (or as much as can be possible considering personal biases on such topics) and can and does engage in civil, calm discourse. Your tunnel vision approach to members of this community discussing such politics is the only close mindedness occurring. They aren't the issue, your provocative style is.

    Just in case you say this is an example of people attacking your politics or whatever - it's not. I've actually liked some of the counter
    -arguments you've presented in separate (related) threads. This is just my observations on your behaviour. How about you stop making sweeping statements on the community and try to engage with us on a level field if you wish to make a point.
    If you have any questions or just want to reply, PM me.
     
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    You're delusional. Stop that.
     
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    I do have to give credit where credit is do! I have been on a LOT of list and none of them have been as consistent as this one - not even close. I will also give you al credit for chasing off another person who doesn't buy into your crap. And befoe you have to post what you've already made up to ban me I will do you a favor and just leave. CONGRATS! I hope you are proud.
     
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    Looking at the CDC's website something that struck me as odd some time back is under the coronavirus symptoms:

    How does that help prevent the spread of the virus?
    Answer: It doesn't. It's simply covering their ass with a feather.

    We've gone past the point where you must have contact with someone who has been diagnosed with it or have to have visited an area known to have it. People are traveling from here to there and back again spreading it all before being diagnosed due to exactly this information above.
     
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    as a medical person. . RN, I no longer consider the CDC a solid source of factual information. I am more interested in what the WHO has to say about covid-19. .
     
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    Welp..we started stocking up on non perishables and other necessities in case we have to wait this thing out a few weeks at home. Researching and eating/taking foods/herbs with antiviral properties and taking vitamin D3 for immunity. And using so much hand sanitizer and washing my hands so much they are raw. I'm a bit of a germaphobe anyway. I wasn't worried about this until I saw WHO raised the deathrate to 3.4% and there are cases popping up all over here.

     
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    You can't stop the spread, unless everyone with flu stays home.

    You just have to keep hands clean and use hand santizier if you can find any...

    Even WHO has a few questions to answer. They were trying to avoid causing a panic but they should have called a Pandemic way early and allowed countries to close borders with China.

    Viruses don't respect international politics or economics. Action needs to happen fast and you can't hesitate because it might piss off the Communist Party of China.

    My Walmart has run out of Sanatizer. Fortunately I bought a big bottle before we went to Disneyland for our honeymoon but its telling people are taking this seriously.
     
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    @ReasonEnduring I think just properly washing hands with soap should be enough.
    Hand sanitizer doesn't kill viruses.
    But I've still been dousing my hands in sanitizer cuz I'm in and out of people's homes for work.
     
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    *checks bottle*

    You are absolutely right.

    I always assumed 99% of Germs included viruses as well. But no, in small writing it only includes bacteria.

    Hmm. Well it probably will still destroy some of them but its not specifically anti-viral. Or anti-fungal. Hmm...
     
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    I actually might be wrong about that now that I'm googling it. I guess the alcohol can take care of it. I thought soap was more effective. I was just going off the bottle which states it's effective against bacteria. No harm to use both. And then just not touch your face.
     
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    the problem with al the hand sanitizer is that it strips moisture from the skin and can cause cracks. . .then you dont have intact skin, more susceptible than if you weren't washing at all. .
     
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    I'm glad you chimed in I was just thinking of tagging you as an RN would know! That's a really good point about cracks/infection.

    I have a hard time every winter with my hands (cracks due to cold dry air and using sanitizer and soap frequently as I said I do a lot of home visits). So I get cracked hands and fingers. I use liquid bandaid ba cracks and it works well and heals it quickly. Then I make my own "bee balm" which is just melting down 1 part bees wax to coconut oil, Shea butter, cocoa butter, vitamin E and extra virgin olive oil. When it cools, it solidifies and you can use it as a balm to seal in moisture.
     
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    yep. . really important to moisturize your hands. . you skin will thank you
     
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