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    I think that’s where I’d got to
    Which Feeler type is the least feel-y
    But with the caveat that they are very hard to find, being a minority subset of an already rare type. My impression around the forum is that E5 INFJs are pretty unchaotic with their feeling judgements - though I can’t speak for myself objectively of course, only for others like yourself Ren.
     
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    I don't understand ENFJs.
     
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    It can be tough sometimes dealing with them. They're like "power hungry" feelers. Their charisma is kind of interesting but there's nothing usually backing it up. ENFJs can make good managers or bosses given they are good at making sure people are well taken care of. But their thinking skills, imo, can be weird. To them everything is a feeling so if you point out discrepancies in their arguments they double down on saying shit like "you just feel that way" or "you want it x to be true". It drove me nuts sometimes. But boy can they put on a show of charisma and inspire, at times! Lol.
     
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    How would you compare and contrast ENFJs with ENTJs?
     
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    Both ENFJ and ENTJ have strong personalities. They're both are like "bosses in charge". They're both highly inuititive and are good at dealing with abstract concepts and thinking outside the box.

    The biggest differences I notice: right off the bat ENTJs seem to have a better grasp at knowing their shit and just saying it like it is. "Straight-shooters" who can prove what they're talking about. ENFJ, relies more on public opinion and less straight forward. It's all about the "feeling" with ENFJ. ENTJ it's about "the bottom line".
     
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    Personally I've evolved to like ENTJs style a little more than ENFJ. But not everybody does. I like the straightforwardness even if it comes off cold, if they're right they're right. But some people prefer what appeals to their own feelings more so some like ENFJ style.
     
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    Yep thats what I try to tell people, but no one understands, an Introverted intuitive dominant is an alien who can be good at appearing normal.
     
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    I lean more on that it's bullshit than useless. It certainly has utility, but I can count so many examples in my experience of bullshit Ni will come up with. I've seen and lived it. Just because one has a vision, does not rule out all other visions and nor does it condone actions taken needed to achieve the vision

    Further, that video mentions 70% of visions are not acted on--I can tell you with 100% certainty that is not limited to Ni. I daydream about the future from the time I get up until the time I goto bed. I dwell on fantasies for several years and dive deep in this for days, weeks and years. If Ni folks experience that, that's cool. So do other types. A lot of types really

    What that video does hit on that is quite accurate is the ordering functions of Te and Fe that push visions to a reality

    So what ends up happening is a chicken or the egg type of scenario: does Ni produce better, detailed or efficient visions or does the compliment of Te and Fe produce better execution to create something that resembles or was inspired by a vision or both

    Further, one can argue the more one does via Te or Fe and subsequently played with by Se or Ne, the more potential possibilities and visions are exposed. I can tell you with 100% certainty I am firing on more cylinders when I am doing or exploring which enables me to connect more dots, find truth and project

    In any event, that still does not invalidate the following critique:

    "So many ways to humor that it’s true, though. Suppose there is a 50-50 possible Ni future. One path is willed into existence or attempted to be willed. Whether or not the outcome of that execution is successful does not mean the other path was incorrect or inferior. It just didn’t happen is the only truth that can hold without any other information

    Another analogy to this is the whole the victors write history. Anyone can contort how something that already happened, happened"
     
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    Struggle with turning visions into reality and translating your internal world ideas to a possible tangible reality: learn to draw, the art of storytelling, visualization and loose planning

    Basically learn the art of the pitch coupled with visualization (literal mental imagery using visuals representing 1000s of words)

    Meme culture is a thing for a reason

    I've developed several modules on visualization theory and practice and have taught courses on it--it's sort of my jam
     
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    heard Sarah Palin is single again
     
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    Oh, so true. It can be like a fix once you find ways to relatively quickly make these things accessible to others and see those ideas getting their first shape (scribbling, mockups, oneliner, elevator-pitches, powerpoint presentations, flowcharts, vision boards or mood boards..anything loose).
    The nature of the ideas and the impact* they are going to have (on group or society) can tell you what form they come with, it's rather fulfilling a specific function than having that unique artistic style on repeat (mastery and self-expression).

    *(not fame, rather meaningful effect on the structure)

    I wouldn't underestimate that there are many many people that lose the red thread or big picture when they work on creations, though. It can get relatively messy easily, or they forget about underlining vision 'rules' that keep the idea accurate, crisp and very thought-through.

    Killing darlings is something tough to learn, but logic accuracy is your best friend there.

    Yeah, great jam. :D
     
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    ESFP and ENFP. Not only do they have F second, their F is introverted. So you don't "see" it like you "see" it in INFJs.

    Fi doms tend to be extremely feely because they are usually ALL IN on their feelings and really struggle with getting the others to accept them. An Fi doms struggle with others can be so intense that they frequently fall into depression.

    Fe doms struggle with depression as well. But not because they want others to accept them. They struggle because they want to feel good enough.
     
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    I'm on the second page and I'm racking my brain why INFJs are being discussed as (or believed to be) the least feel-y type.
     
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    Last Ni rambling....

    It is possible that Ni is relatively more "future goal oriented" than other internal gauges (say compared to Si)

    Couple that with a strong co-pilot ordering function of Te or Fe to make it happen

    Couple that with ability to "not care" about making waves, and to a degree, status seeking or ability to cope with status aka "not caring about making waves"

    And couple that with first-mover advantage

    If that Ni vision is relatively solid, able to be willed into existence and earlier than others, it is possible for that implementation to receive more credit for advancement of whatever it was trying to advance
     
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    Hence, power as a reward, and thus how power has traditionally been linked to those types
     

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    Something like power is a function of vision + confidence + execution

    Debate whether power should or should not be swapped for leadership
     

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    One could breakdown what vision, confidence and execution are separately for more insight
     
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    One could hack the system once one knows the code without being in the power cluster
     
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    Maybe toss in another variable such as "tact"
     

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