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Which Feeler type is the least feel-y

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    Yes, in terms of the amygdala.

    The amygdala is responsible for emotional regulation in reaction to stimulus. An excitable amygdala (in addition to other factors such as number of dopamine receptors, &c.) makes one 'sensitive'. Introverts tend to have 'excitable amygdalas', extroverts much less so.
     
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    This is typically the kind of thing that a feeler would never say :tearsofjoy:

    But I'm sure my amygdala are full of feels.
     
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    What I find interesting about the neurobiology of introversion vs extroversion is that it doesn't seem possible to have an introvert that isn't sensitive (or indeed 'feely').

    Introversion is the behavioural symptom of sensitivity, not a cause.

    Introverted Intuitives are by definition sensitive, and more feely than extroverted sensors, simply with how their brains are wired.

    (Again, there seems only a bipolar a spectrum between ES and IN when the neurochemistry and neurobiology are taken into account.)
     
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    What about INT versus ENF?

    Could it be that sensitive is here meant to be different from feely? Otherwise, we'd end up with funny things like ENFJs being on average less feely than INTPs.

    I could easily imagine introversion being a symptom of sensitivity of a certain kind, though.
     
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    Yes, but we have to note that 'feely' is only just a subset of 'emotional' anyway, and especially if we're adopting the definition of 'emotional regulation' as what happens in the amygdala.

    So yes, I would say that INTPs are more emotional (sensitive) than ES types, and probably ENFJs, too. If you've ever witnessed an INTP rage meltdown, you'll agree, lol. They only appear less emotional because the response to stimulus is typically a logical/rational one.*


    *Remember that an INTP getting agitated/upset/aggressive/incredulous/whatever about 'bullshit' is too an emotional response.
     
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    So by this measure, we could rank the types like so:

    Most Feely
    1. INFP
    2. INTP
    3. INFJ
    4. INTJ
    5. ENFP
    6. ENTP
    7. ENFJ
    8. ENTJ
    9. ISFP
    10. ISTP
    11. ISFJ
    12. ISTJ
    13. ESFP
    14. ESTP
    15. ESFJ
    16. ESTJ
    Least Feely

    Not sure about this, though - especially the position of ESFJ. ESFJs are weird, in that they are undoubtedly Sensors, but have a lot of intuitive responses and behaviours.
     
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    In fact, I would say that INTPs are so misunderstood when it comes to emotionality. They're so sensitive that they just do not know how to deal with it all and need to actively avoid emotional stimuli in order to avoid becoming overwhelmed. The INTPs biggest problem is an extremely high sensitivity level coupled with an extremely low emotional coping, which is probably why they're the most dissatisfied with their jobs and most likely to get into drugs and alcohol in tertiary education - a top spot shared with INFPs.

    To me, INFPs and INTPs are very alike in terms of how they mirror each other: one is the literature nerd, the other the science nerd - the same level of sensitivity coped with by opposite means.
     
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    This feels true! :flushed: I grew up with an INTP brother, and now watching his INTP daughter grow up. Very feely and sensitive beings, huge consciousness, constantly facing dilemmas. :sweat: His wife and mother of his daughter is ESFJ, who is sensitive, but in a neurotic way, not 'feely' as they are.
     
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    Oh! And my dad (ISTP) who's the toughest gun in the neighborhood, is so easily moved that he himself calls it a social handicap. :sweatsmile:
     
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    Yup, sounds about right, though is does add to the enigma of the ESFJ...

    Lol.

    Suppose the personality types are determined by the sensitivity level of a child and then their preferred coping mechanisms (e.g. INxPs have the same sensitivity level, but it's coped with in different ways).
     
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    Mhm. Do you think my brother was born INxP or INxx, and chose T or TP to cope/survive? It would be cruel of nature to let an INFP grow up with an Ti-dom parent ...
     
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    While I am enjoying the discussion and I enjoyed @Ren's video about the topic, I don't necessarily agree. The concept of depth and breadth is interesting and likable. The proposal that Sensors are less sensitive than Intuitives is what I don't agree with, but my basis for this is purely through interactions with other humans. I don't think personal experiences offer reliable data unless those personal experiences are collected from a pool of the population.

    I think Sensors with Feeling at or near the top of their stacks are more sensitive than most Intuitives, who have Ni or Ne at or near the top of their stacks. Ni/Ne block the sensitivity. It is a mind function, while feeling is a "heart" function. Those with feeling first on their stacks have nothing to block the feeling, whether that feeling is breadth or depth, and those who interact with the world as Sensors are more likely to be bigger feelers.

    I also notice that Thinkers with undeveloped feeling tend to hang onto feelings and hold grudges longer (depth) and be more emotionally volatile (breadth) when something does make them emotional than Feelers are, even if Feelers approach the world with more feeling in general.
     
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    Possibly, though I wouldn't say 'chose'.

    If we imagine that the higher brain functions take the longest to develop (though I don't know exactly), and they develop in response to the excitability of the amygdala and other lower brain functions, then him developing TP to cope with this should be in response to feedback - in other words, it 'worked for him', and so that was the direction of development. Parental feedback would have been major. All hypothetical, of course.

    The dominant function is thus what works most effectively for them and their sensitivity level - we found Ni to be the best coping strategy, him Ti.
     
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    Is this partly because it feels to you like a dehumanising thing to say?

    The way I'm looking at it sees the coping mechanism or 'affect'/expression as immaterial, and the level of feeling as paramount.

    Otherwise we'd have to say that the super-sensitive INTP is ineed the 'warmest robot'; unfeeling and strictly rational.

    This sounds right, but I haven't run it through my personal experiences yet, so I'm not sure.
     
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    No.

    It is illogical (to me) that Sensors would be less SENSEtive, and personal observation shows me that some of them are more so. The list you made seems inaccurate for that reason. I'd place some of those Sensors higher in the Feels department. For example, Extroverted Feeling is the FIRST function for ESFJs, yet they are near the bottom of the list. (BTW, my mother was an ESFJ and that experience tells me there is no way they are near the bottom.) I'd also place ISFPs at #2, right below INFP because even if they don't have the depth of feeling that INFPs have, they are unsaturated, billowy, feelers. Feeling is first on their stacks, too.

    Intuition also acts as a barrier for feelings in those who have it above their feeling function. INFPs have feeling first on their stacks. They have both depth and breadth, and even though they have Ne, the Ne is after Fi, so it doesn't block Fi, which is what makes them #1.


    What do you mean you have no experience with this? Not to make you self-conscious, but I've watched you have experience with this in your forum posts in recent weeks.
     
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    I mean I haven't tested it against every thinker I know.

    P.S. I'll get back to this later. Agree about ESFJs, though.
     
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    Yes! 100% whole heartedly agree.
     
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    Here's an example of a popular-ish INFJ: Sam Harris



    His expression, mannerisms, and style are classic INFJ - kind of a formal/calm vibe and contentwise likes to talk about "heady" subjects in a non-jargon type way. Not very "feel-y" to me compared to other feeler types.
     
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    ISFJ is like Morgan Freeman style. Notice similarity in the calm/formal vibe, but on heady subjects like "God", science, religion, ISFJ is less skeptical. Also ISFJs I feel a kind of "nicer" vibe and more laid back. Infj can be a little "intense" even when calm.
     
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    Sam is INTJ.
     
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