A put upon person is either going to bend to try to fit the ideal or they will assert themself even more in defiance
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A put upon person is either going to bend to try to fit the ideal or they will assert themself even more in defiance
Jesus, where do I start? That quote was hilarious by the way. I'm just gonna bold every point I address.
Conspiracy theories CAN BE a very serious flaw in a person, if the person chooses to let their conspiracy theories debilitate them. You know that kooky guy with the tin foil hat in his trailer out in the middle of no where? That's an extreme example. Now you've got the less extreme: people on the internet screaming 'CONSPIRACY!' to everyone that they think will listen. Does about as much good as a homeless man walking around a block with a sign around him that says 'The End is Nigh.' In every case the person spouting conspiracies is isolated -because they have isolated themselves.
As far as INFJs incapable of being productive human beings, I actually personally know this to be false however I also know how people could think this. My father is an INFJ, his office is plastered with plaques of the achievements he's made at his job and the plaques hanging up aren't the only ones he has -we just hung up the pretty ones. And more than that he threw a bunch away as he does not think he achieved anything, he just did his job. He is an INFJ.
Now a friend of mine, who is not a friend as I hate him, has typed himself an INFJ. He is a lazy, lying, selfish, self centered, self indulgent, self proclaimed god who does not believe he needs to follow. Because of this, because he believes everyone should follow him, he has mistype himself as an INFJ. His personality and his actions have led him exactly where he is now, in his mothers house in a filthy bed room with toys and gadgets all around him. He has knowledge and is smart in some areas however he has no care to help people. His expression is, 'I want to save the world, but only if I control it.' He will go no where in life unless someone carries him. As you can tell, I have nothing good to say about this kid.
People who are unsuccessful because they choose to not conform, will type themselves as INFJs and that will be their excuse. 'Says here I'm a leader, not a follower.' This person I loath has done it, and in turn has mucked up the label of INFJ.
I'm an INFP and I have watched anime porn. Real porn is too fake
(hahahahaXD) however! I was the LEAST bullied kid, ever. I got bullied, and at one point it was very harsh because it was about something that mattered a lot to me, however most things don't really matter. I personally have a fairly carefree attitude and really don't care if someone thinks I'm a cunt. I would say that maybe, possibly, probably, other INFPs feel the same way. This is because I know myself better than any bully ever would. INFJs are very rare, everyone may think they are one however I doubt very much that this man you are screaming about has ever met one.
INFJs will succeed because they are INFJs. They are driven to succeed. Not 'oh, I had a nice thought this morning, maybe I should do it' -INFJs say, 'I'm doing this because its nice and good for others' while they are in the middle of doing this nice thing that is good for others.
If anything we isolate ourselves.
And I really don't even know why you spoke about red heads. People don't walk around with a t-shirt saying 'I am an INFJ!' Red hair... is on your head, its visible all the time.. I don't... I don't understand why you would even think about comparing the two. As far as people who are online screaming they're an INFJ, they usually are not. Beside that people will get bullied online no matter what. People who are idiots and screaming lies about themselves will be bullied more often. If you get bullied enough I suppose you could call yourself the red head of the internet *shrug*
Well lets say hypothetically that there is some validity in MBTI
Let's say that there are roughly speaking 16 types that all process info differently. They are all capable of being different ways at different times but they have preferences and sometimes they can't be something else even when they want to
For example an introvert feeling their energy drain whilst being around others might wish to have more energy at that point but whatever it is inside them it justs drains them
Now a person with beautiful red hair might get prejudice from some idiots because red hair is less common. But everyone can see their red hair and recognise the prejudice
If a person processes information differently however they may also receive prejudice for being in a less common sub group but no one can see the object of the prejudice they are receiving...it is intangible
Indeed some people might be totally ignorant of MBTI they might just feel that the person is different some way and therefore be prejudiced against them....they're too quiet, too bookish, too....different...too...weird
But no one can point easily to the prejudice and say ''hey you shouldn't be prejudiced against that'' because the thing is so difficult to define and so many people aren't even aware of MBTI
I have posted a clip above of a successful business woman who is also an introvert who wrote a book about her experiences in business and education as an introvert and she recognises that there are prejudices against introverts. She talks about the 'extrovert ideal'
Lots of introverts know what she means...it's there but we can't cry foul in the same way that say a red haired person could because introversion is an intangible and therefore people are more likely to be dismissive about any prejudice aimed at it
So i think the parallel the OP draws is an interesting one
If you're gonna be the subject of prejudice though it might be easier to resist that if you are being misstreated for something that is easily definable and ideally visible to the mostly concrete thinking and percieving population
If you're an introvert and you know that being surrounded by people drains you physically yet you choose to be in a work environment that does just that, that's your own damn fault.
Besides that, in my experience, women love introverts -we are 'mysterious.' As far as men go as guy vs guy, no idea though I never had trouble with them. I'd say if your a guy and you're a little quirky, you should take some kind of fighting class. Men handle things very differently amongst themselves.
Upto a point
It will depend what the dominant culture of the day is
Let's imagine a sci-fi film. In this film some crazy chauvinistic men take control of the government in some dystopian future. They decide that the problem with the world is women. They believe that the clock should be turned back to a time where women did not have a political vote, were the property of their husbands and could not gain employment....they had to be stay at home house wives
So to achieve this oppression of women they made a series of increasingly oppressive reforms to society. First of all they increased the tax bracket for women which drove women out of all the top jobs. Then they reformed marriage and property laws and they removed womens right to vote
With each reform you would find yourself in an increasingly hostile world where it became harder and harder for you to express your natural self and to play to your natural strengths
One day you confide in a man at the dead end job you have ended up in....you whisper to him under your breath: 'i'm being descriminated against here because i'm a woman. The first question on my job application asked what gender i am and on the basis of that they didn't give me the job....they wouldn't even let me come in for the psychometric testing phase'. The man looks at you suprised. He has been conditioned over many years by the media and education system to believe that women are innately inferior and that the reason they don't have good jobs is because they are dumber than men.
He shakes his head dissaprovingly at your comment and says: ''it's your own damn fault you didn't get the job''
lol don't worry on either of those scores...i can handle myself
Even if introverted men have no problem in love....i am more talking about the forces shaping our society in general
Everyone knows that wallstreet is totally corrupt and has crashed the economy. What kind of people do you think populate wallstreet? Do you think there are many INFJ's there? Or do you think there is a culture there that is hostile to INFJ's? And if that's the case do you think that maybe a more diverse culture might be a good thing there as it might act as a check and balance if there are more contemplative, reflective and conscientious people allowed into that environment?
*makes scary whistling wind sounds and wriggles large piece of coardboard in imitation of thunder*
*terrorises cat until she hides under bed*
*terrorises cat until she hides under bed*
You might be interested in reading this : http://blogs.scientificamerican.com...chology-a-real-science-does-it-really-matter/
Psychology is actually a lot more scientific than the commonly regarded "sciences".
People often see psychology as MBTI, 'Criminal Minds', or other 'profiling' based on a broad array of characteristics...but that's just one portion of a very large field. It's also extremely interdisciplinary, and overlaps with medicine, biology, chemistry, sociology, social work - the list goes on.
I like Russia Today but i'm not sure i'm ready to up sticks and move to the motherland
You're not a travel agent are you?
what do you think about our culture...do you think its weighted towards extroverts?
No I'm not
Besides i thought we had all agreed that INFJ-land was going to be on an island (somewhere sunny!)
I haven't really said much about you...i just invited you to show some love for INFJ's
I've more been agreeing with the OP's argument that there is prejudice against some types and that it is even systemic within our wider culture
The OP said that you have a problem with INFJ's and that you've been smack talking them all over the internet....so this is a great opportunity to set the record straight....an exclusive on the INFJ forums.....you could tell the world how you don't have a problem with INFJ's and you could prove it by saying some nice things about them...
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