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    Pin "Magnificent Bastard" / Ren's Counterpart

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    Yes, we certainly have a common taste in literature.
     
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    Thank you for your recommendations! I still haven't read War & Peace and really should.

    I agree. Sometimes it feels like romance for the sake of romance. I like exploring why they love who they love, and why they love how they love. Relationships that look 'aesthetically pleasing' like you say, and fueled by shallow drama... I've no doubt they exist but they're not interesting. I'd rather know two (or more) very flawed people struggling to find their happiness with each other & themselves.

    My own novels don't always feature romance arcs, though sometimes they form organically. They tend towards dysfunctional.
     
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    This is so true. I think the Expanse is one of the best series i've ever seen and its because of the characters and the strong friendship element. The love relationships are oddly complex and realistic

    I also really enjoyed the The last kingdom for the exact same reasons. Real characters, genuine relationship building

    @Pin
    I get what you mean about the anti-hero thing in space but i personally see James Holden as a pure hero rather than anti-hero. Am i missing something?

    I dont really generally get into the genre of romance but i really like it when works have strong character building, relationship building and romance thrown in.
    I liked Robin Hobbs books a lot in this sense.
    I liked Eternal sunshine of the spotless mind.
    Its weird and obscure but The people vs larry flint made me cry.

    And Casablanca- that's a romance i liked
     
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    The funny thing is unless I'm specifically watching a rom com or movie about the topic when romances are randomly introduced as a plot point I think it's cheap writing.

    I've been frustrated, too, in writing collaborative stories that the central thing people want to write is young romantic love when I want to write aging senior sisters and other aspects of life.

    Sex sells and sex just isn't the only important aspect of life. It drives me up the fucking wall.
     
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    Do you/ have you collaborative written online before?
     
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    I have, yes. It wasn't the worst experience though I dislike that my co-author self-published without discussing it with me first, and dislike that they didn't run their edits by me before that. It's somewhat resolved now.
    It wasn't my best writing, but there were no randomly introduced romances.
     
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    I guess I don't really know where you want to focus in this thread. You're mentioning comic heroes, where romance plays a minor part. Then, you're mentioning Classical and ancient mythology were romance isn't "fleshed out"for various reasons. What's your take on Shakespeare? On the romances in Hemingway's work? On D.H. Lawrence? Anais Ninn? Tolstoy? Okparanta? What about poets like Maya Angelou, Rumi, Yeats, Keats, Nizar Qabbani? ... I'm not asking you to respond to any of these specific writers. I'm just curious what your general opinion is of romance in novels and poetry that you didn't mention?

    There are definitely great romances in novels, and some on screen, but the writers who do it best (IMO) include romance as part of the human experience, or discuss the human experience within the romance. For example, Austen writes about gender and class within her romances. Dostoevsky and Tolstoy write about romance as part of their stories about the struggles of life. Tolkien's "Beren and Lúthien" represent him and his wife and are woven into his Middle-earth fiction that otherwise focuses on adventure, imagined cultures, and war. All the novelists mentioned above use romance as part of a greater story about the human struggle, or use romance as a symbol for it. Poetry can capture romance well. The objective is to make the reader feel.... to feel alive, to feel a kind of heartache, to feel like their heart is bursting.


    I used to loathe romance movies, except for old ones (like from the1950s) because they are inane, but escapism, whether romance, comedy, or fantasy, is good de-stressing entertainment. We can't always watch Werner Herzog.


    My father's family practiced arrange marriage.

    Same.
     
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    Lol.

    Wouldn't I need to own a polo neck for that level of pretentiousness?
     
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    I went to art school, Hos.
     
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    What, only you're allowed to be pretentious? :smirk::wink:
     
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    Well, it's an exclusive club to get into, Asa, of course.
     
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    I usually relate to the quippy dialogue (most recently in The Lovebirds or The Boys), but yeah it's hardly realistic. It's the sincere schmaltz I avoid. Different strokes and all.
     
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    Where can I find a collaborative writing group? I'm flaky as fuck, so I may not, but it's something I'd like to try.

    One of my favorite places to see romance is funnily enough in Tabletop Roleplaying stuff. I think it's because when two characters have chemistry it's just so organic and unforced, since there's no puppet master on high nudging them that way for the plot.
     
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    Oh yeah, the moral alignments or what are they called!

    What are you, Daustus? Neutral good, true neutral?

    @ruji is definitely chaotic neutral :D
     
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