I can't fathom why people would join ISIS, or how anybody could shoot any unarmed person, or the other things that people in ISIS or mass-shooters casually visit on other humans. I don't understand the thinking that leads' to people's behavior half the time around here it seems like. People have always had a tendency towards visiting flash-mob grief on others, gory or otherwise. Frankly, it's incredibly disturbing to notice around you everywhere.
Paris Shootings, Explosion & Hostage Crisis 11/13
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I can't fathom why people would join ISIS, or how anybody could shoot any unarmed person, or the other things that people in ISIS or mass-shooters casually visit on other humans. I don't understand the thinking that leads' to people's behavior half the time around here it seems like. People have always had a tendency towards visiting flash-mob grief on others, gory or otherwise. Frankly, it's incredibly disturbing to notice around you everywhere.
I happen to be quite weary about Islam, just as I am of any other religion/sect/ideology that tries to force itself down peoples throats. so I've started watching videos of speeches by imams n stuff and seen a few translated stories from the Koran. Can't even say that educating myself on it has been positive thus far or even remotely reassuring.
About what housel quoted. I do remember times where terrorism was not always done by people who consider themselves to be muslims.
About what housel quoted. I do remember times where terrorism was not always done by people who consider themselves to be muslims.
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Politics, power, control, greed, those are the real culprits...
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I disagree. I am not taking away from the people thta were murdered horrifically, but Islam and terrorism are NOT the same thing. Islam is somethig terrorist groups like to hide behind.
This was a quote I thought said it very well:
I have never claimed that all terrorism is synonymous with Islam. However, I disagree that they hide behind their own idealism. You should check out a documentary issued by VICE in the United States. They sent out a small team and were allowed to film in an Islamic State-controlled territory in Syria. Plenty of evidence suggests that this particular group are overtly and proudly flying the flag of their prophet Muhammad in order to dominate entire countries and create a Caliphate. They have publicly announced this several times since their inception. The so-called 'Xenophobic Islamophobic backlash'. Where is it? The far-right have so little influence in Europe now (with the exception of the French party Front Nationale) that each backlash is hardly considered news worthy. I also think it is very politically manipulative of some commentators in the media to speculate some phantom far-right backlash, instead of analysing what happened in Paris and working out what caused the attack to happen in the first place. It seems you are more worried about some people hating all Muslims, rather than the division which ISIS are creating within our society, which makes me agree only partially with your point about the backlash. I think the attackers wanted us to fear a far-right backlash, so that they could keep indoctrinating young Muslim men to fight for their cause using influential Imams in the mosques and training camps in ISIS-controlled territories, so they can keep planning attacks on Western countries. They are using the freedoms we hold dear to keep attacking us, because the only thing we can do is bump up our security. I still think religion, in-particular Islam is to blame for all of this. I am saying precisely what [MENTION=13729]Free2be[/MENTION] said in this same thread. Religion is poison and look what it has done to the minds of the attackers. I shall not be afraid to voice my own concern for how dangerous religion as a whole has been for our species for the last few thousand years, and it still continues to rack up its body count in the name of 'God.'
Agreed. Its sad that anyone would think terrorism and Islam are synonymous. One persons terrorist is another's freedom fighter. It just depends on whose reporting it and how they choose to view it a lot of the time. An example is Russia indicating the Ukraines actions in attempting to remain a sovereign nation to be of terrorist intent.
With Muslim's we simply have another case where some are using the religion to manipulate others undoubtedly in the end, for political purposes. The true enemy here is not Muslims. It is and always has been ignorance.
You are rather impossible to discuss things with because you have a tendency to have your mind made up about things and assume people are saying things that they are in fact not. It's just like social media -- not worth the effort and emotional energy to discuss.
Oh and I am sorry but I do have to mention this. For anyone thinking the Muslim religon is about war and not peace and that it differs from other religions in that regard.... try reading the Old Testament some time.
For the record, I was glad to see news of France's attack on ISIS when I got up this morning. I think groups like ISIS need to be destroyed.
Paris is very dear to my heart. I have Parisian friends and lot of Irish friends who live over in Paris. It is my favourite city in Europe and I visit every chance I get. What happened is heartbreaking. It's also terrifying. Since the attacks there have been 30 reported cases of people here in Ireland signing up with ISIS and the Gardai currently have them on high alert waiting to see if any of them will go lone wolf and pull a stunt here in Ireland.
It just makes me sad that some people can't see the hate and racism that ISIS shit causes for muslims all over the world. Muslims I know hate these groups because people can't seperate terrorism using a religion and the people who follow a religion themselves. I just read an article about a man pushing a muslim woman in front of a london underground train ffs.
I am not assuming anything. I took what you said to the letter and simply disagreed with you (I did agree with you on a small point), as you disagreed with me initially, and I then gave you a reasoned response as to why I disagreed with what you said. That is what a discussion looks like. Do you want me to apologize for sticking to my own opinions and to automatically agree with you like a robotic parrot? You are the one that assumed I was calling Islam synonymous with terrorism, which I wasn't and I explained to you my further points.
Reading all of your posts from the beginning you don't come off as being able to seperate Islam and terrorism. It's all very grey when you talk.
I was a little irritated with the way you put it " it seems like youre more worried about some people hating all muslims" like some dumb ass kid tumblr social justice warrior. No, I am concerned with the MANY people around the world who are unable to differentiate between groups like ISIS and oridnary muslim people who practice Islam. That in itself is also a big issue.
That is a seperate issue. Of course I hope ISIS is obliterated.
Don't believe anything that police says, specially on Balkan!! Croatia, Serbia, Bosnia, Montenegro.. only special morons can join the force..
Again, I repeat: I do not think Islam and terrorism are synonymous. I can't believe I have to even defend myself to you in such a way. People blaming and attacking Muslims is not my fault, nor my problem, but it is the fault of the attackers as to why I am blaming all religion for this mess. Just stop thinking that when I say 'religion' I am not saying 'People. When I say 'Islam' I do not say 'Muslims'. Since the attacks I have blamed a bunch of terrible ideas and nobody in-particular, aside from ISIS. There, that is the last time I explain myself.
It is mildly amusing, but mostly just sad, that in a thread about attacks the conversation has de-evolved into us attacking each other. It's fine to disagree, everyone is free to their own opinions. I simply think it's important to remember to keep our focus on someone's argument, rather than on their character.
What do you think you proved with your list?
That you can lump the innocent together with the few dangerous assholes?
I’m not arguing that certain places have dangerous religious ideology, in fact I named the main culprits.
Why do you think they view us that way? Just because of some scriptures…come on.
Do you all not see that you are letting the terrorists terrorize you?
We have people saying some really nasty shit about people whom you really don’t know.
Love your enemy? Turn the other cheek?
Congrats on letting the terrorists win with the fear they have placed in your hearts.
We have people saying some really nasty shit about people whom you really don’t know.
Love your enemy? Turn the other cheek?
Congrats on letting the terrorists win with the fear they have placed in your hearts.
We are using the wrong words. This isn't terrorism. It is jihad. This IS about religion, guys. We have to talk about it without assuming that talking about it means that all Muslims are terrorists or even violent jihadists.
JJJA hasn't created an 'other' in his mind. He is speaking the truth. Islam creates the 'other'; kafirs.
Why can't we critique a belief that creates an 'other' that when pushed to to it's limits kills people? People call out Christianity and it's doctrine, it's texts, it's ideas all the time. Why not Islam? This isn't something that just should happen. It ought to happen.
JJJA hasn't created an 'other' in his mind. He is speaking the truth. Islam creates the 'other'; kafirs.
Why can't we critique a belief that creates an 'other' that when pushed to to it's limits kills people? People call out Christianity and it's doctrine, it's texts, it's ideas all the time. Why not Islam? This isn't something that just should happen. It ought to happen.
You talk about individuals if you want to. I'll talk about societies/countries/cultures if I want to. Fair?
Anyhow - that list of countries was more about the consistency of shit-bombed out, women bashing, pre-pubescent-girl-kidnapping-raping-marrying, conflict/revenge-mongering, ass-end of hell-adelic, countries.
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The word "Islam" translates equally as "peace","submission", and "surrender". (Hard to fathom, but check any Islamic site - those three meanings are significant to Muslims).
In the West, the word "peace"/"Pax" is synonymous with freedom, affection, and concord.