Left or Liberal?

[Reason]

did you know that hilary clinton was a big fan of the communist saul alinksy who wrote a manifesto on how to subvert western society?

Alinsky's book (if you mean Rules for Radicals) I hear is often misunderstood as that when really it's just a generic guide to resisting the status quo. At least that's what I heard. I think Alinsky is a communist but that book is not a communist book per se- assuming what I've heard is correct.

 

[kinglear]

Trump displays his arrogance, idiocy, racism, xenophobic misogynistic tendencies, and his Jupiter-sized ego to the public with no shame, and in a way, relishes in it and enjoys the attention.

Of course he would receive more backlash from the public. The man shows his true colors in front of the whole world to see with no absolute remorse.

I mean, what more is there to clarify why Trump has been receiving all the backlash? Yes, many politicians are corrupt, no denying about it—however, Trump takes it on a whole new level and goes with stride and a smile on his face.

Not sure why you even have to wonder in the first place and do this comparison as to why Trump receives all the deserved treatment and criticism. Many of us have already clarified on this thread and you are still wondering why?

just playing devils advocate here....so are you saying that obama did not enjoy the limelight?

are you saying that he didn't go about his business with a stride and a smile?

can i ask where you stand on the 6 points i posted above?

 

[kinglear]

Alinsky's book (if you mean Rules for Radicals) I hear is often misunderstood as that when really it's just a generic guide to resisting the status quo. At least that's what I heard. I think Alinsky is a communist but that book is not a communist book per se- assuming what I've heard is correct.

if he was a communist then he believed in a world revolution and any activism he was pursuing was simply a stepping stone towards that final goal

 

[Reason]

if he was a communist then he believed in a world revolution and any activism he was pursuing was simply a stepping stone towards that final goal

True but that doesn't make his book a communist manifesto is my point (again assuming my information is correct, I haven't read it)

 

[JennyDaniella]

just playing devils advocate here....so are you saying that obama did not enjoy the limelight?

are you saying that he didn't go about his business with a stride and a smile?

can i ask where you stand on the 6 points i posted above?

Comparing Obama and Trump is like comparing apples to oranges.

It’s pretty darn obvious you aren’t even listening to what anybody is saying on this thread and completely disregarding perspectives here.

 

[Reason]

@infinite dreams I really don't think @kinglear is trolling. I really like you and respect your opinions a lot but I think you were being a little unfair calling him a troll.

 

[kinglear]

I think antifa and thier allies are a substained threat to our country as much white nationalits are..

antifa act a lot like the nationalist socialist brownshirts did in nazi germany by seeking to beat up and intimidate their political opponents

they say they are 'anti fascist' but one definition of fascism is when state and corporate power merge and it seems that many of the big corporations are on antifas side

also if antifa could shape society they would create a communist state which would then take all power from the individual and give it to the state which would rule as a dictatorship

does that give them moral high ground or would it lead to an oppressive society?

 

[kinglear]

Comparing Obama and Trump is like comparing apples to oranges.

It’s pretty darn obvious you aren’t even listening to what anybody is saying on this thread and completely disregarding perspectives here.

ok so educate me

how do trump and obama compare on those 6 points listed above?

 

[Reason]

antifa act a lot like the nationalist socialist brownshirts did in nazi germany by seeking to beat up and intimidate their political opponents

they say they are 'anti fascist' but one definition of fascism is when state and corporate power merge and it seems that many of the big corporations are on antifas side

also if antifa could shape society they would create a communist state which would then take all power from the individual and give it to the state which would rule as a dictatorship

[Sarcasm]
@kinglear don't you know, REAL communism hasn't been tried, 80th times the charm

 

[kinglear]

@infinite dreams I really don't think @kinglear is trolling. I really like you and respect your opinions a lot but I think you were being a little unfair calling him a troll.

absolutely NOT trolling

having a serious discussion here albeit with the odd joke along the way to grease the wheels

 

[kinglear]

[Sarcasm]
@kinglear don't you know, REAL communism hasn't been tried, 80th times the charm

hmmm yeah mao gave it a pretty good try and killed over 60 million of his own people

pol pot gave it a good go and killed a third of his countrymen and women

the bolsheviks and then stalin gave it a good try in russia and killed 60-100 million people

i watched the vietnam war documentary on netflix recently and the communists kept sending boys down with only 3 weeks training to be bombed to bits in south vietnam. Crazy loses the communist politburo where willing to inflict on their own people

and so on...

god only knows what kind of horrors would erupt in the US if it took over there. Imagine how many people would have to be removed or re-educated

 

[Reason]

@kinglear are you a Trump supporter or just asking questions for clarification's sake?

 

[Wyote]

The problem is that nobody really knows or believes how close we are to those kinds of scenarios. People are apathetic until it's on their doorstep.

 

[kinglear]

@kinglear are you a Trump supporter or just asking questions for clarification's sake?

no i think he is a reality TV star playing a part

the question is: what is that part he is playing?

however i do see some good aspects and some bad aspects

I don't like his aggression towards Iran but i do like the quashing of political correctness because i think that destruction of freedom of speech is a slippery slope that leads to authoritarianism which in turn would provoke a counter response which could then lead to civil war

are you a trump fan?

 

[Wyote]

I don't like his aggression towards Iran but i do like the quashing of political correctness because i think that destruction of freedom of speech is a slippery slope that leads to authoritarianism which in turn would provoke a counter response which could then lead to civil war

That's a lot of steps

 

[kinglear]

The problem is that nobody really knows or believes how close we are to those kinds of scenarios. People are apathetic until it's on their doorstep.

if you were a boxing fan and you knew the fighters and their styles and their histories and a fight was coming up and you made a call on who was going to win

your friend on the other hand knows nothing about boxing because he doesn't pay it any attention. he also makes a call on who is going to win

one of you is basing your opinion on a lot of data while the other also has an opinion but has no data to base it on except surface info ie the appearance of the fighters

not everyone pays as much attention

 

[kinglear]

That's a lot of steps

history teaches us things can happen fast

 

[Wyote]

one of you is basing your opinion on a lot of data while the other also has an opinion but has no data to base it on except surface info ie the appearance of the fighters

not everyone pays as much attention

No one pays enough attention. Everyone thinks they know the most.

 

[Wyote]

history teaches us things can happen fast

No shit lol

 

[sprinkles]

There are things from both sides that I can agree with. As for Trump, I never liked him. I've always thought he was sleazy since decades ago.