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    I was looking at the political parties today and in order to join the Libertarian Party you have to click a box that reads: "YES, sign me up as a member of the Libertarian Party. To validate my membership, I certify that I oppose the initiation of force to achieve political or social goals." We used force to achieve our political and social goal during the American Revolution. Why change it now?
     
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    That's just a stretch and excuse to call the liberterian party unamercian. I don't really think any political party is unamerican, unless they blatently want to destroy the government in power. It's really more of a matter of which political parties have better intentions then others, and for the most part that is purely a personal opinion.
     
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    The National Socialist party might be unAmerican.

    I dunno. I have nothing against Libertarians. Nonaggression works for them, and technically, I think they would have supported the American Revolution since it could be argued that the King made the first move of aggression towards Americans. Self defense is a valid exception to nonaggression.

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    Because the historical "American" way is to use force and some people don't believe that to be in the best interests of "the people." Revolutionary America is far from the Libertarian ideal. Forced armed service to fight against laws that did not directly affect the average citizen, few individual rights outside of the rich and "educated", an almost complete lack of social mobility and so on were the conditions the average person was facing under British rule and what they found under early post-revolution America. They were forcibly "freed" men in a struggling and very poor nation and it was hardly a Libertarian's ideal country.

    It only makes sense that the Libertarian Party would oppose "American" forcible actions today.
     
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    No it's not unamerican because no such word exists. American is a noun and not an adjective. You can't act American any more than I can act British.

    Maybe you could ask "Is the Libertarian Party right for modern American society?" but if you're describing something as unamerican I'm just going to stick you in the over-patriotic nutcase box.
     
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    I tend to agree (somewhat) with the writings of Von Mises, Hayek and Nozick (which underpins Libertarian economic thinking) however I find the party's short sighted view on international relations and the flow of history not to be of my liking.

    Taken on a holistic level Libertarianism is an extreme philosophy that is overly simplistic in its analysis (economic centered) that in a way is not to dissimilar to its antipodal foe on the political spectrum - dialectic materialism (Marxism).
     
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    I don't think being 'American' has been working too well for us Americans. George Bush wrangled up all his cowboys into a great show of nationalism and we accomplished killing a lot of people and spending a shitload of money, not sure what exactly else. Pretty sure they made some people in the government a lot of money.

    I think America would be better if more things were scrutinized rather than being a 'Good American' and blindly following any political party.

    As for whether the Libertarian party is good or bad, to me that just depends on whether it makes other people think rather than just blindly accepting this crap.
     
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    The Libertarian Party is just that: a party, not a group seeking revolution and creation of a new government. As a party within the American political system, it is naturally "American" to oppose disruption of that system by violent means. It makes no sense to appeal to the wartime origins of the nation as reason to employ violence to effect further change: the Revolution was primarily intended to remove cause for that kind of confrontation, by abolishing the martial law and remote suppression imposed upon the colonies. Democratic procedures were set up to allow nonviolent measures to achieve political and social goals.
     
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    I tend to lean towards the Libertarian view of things, and see it as the party closest to what the founding Fathers had in mind when they drafted the Constitution.
    They didn't want government meddling in everyone's lives like it does today. That includes other countries.

    Our 2 main parties the Republicans and Democrats have co-opted our government to suit their needs, not the needs of the people they pretend to represent.
     
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    Thanks for the replies all. I find it not to my liking to take political oaths in the first place. I think that is unAmerican as well.
     
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    Agreed.
     
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    It is now. English is fluid. Try not to muck it up.
     
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    No, many people think that it is quite American due to favoring small government and capitalism.

    Here are the things I've heard described as uncharacteristic of a patriotic American:

    1. Drinking tea (except for iced tea).
    2. Disliking apple pie.
    3. Being a communist.
    4. Not being a Protestant Christian.
    5. Disliking sports, especially baseball or football.
    6. Supporting gun control legislation in any form.
    7. Disliking Macaroni and Cheese.
    8. Expressing disapproval of military action.
    9. Speaking a language other than English.
    10. Expressing admiration for any other country.
    11. Preferring the Metric system.
    12. Disliking Country Western music.
    13. Burning the American Flag.

    But being Libertarian? Never heard that one.

    Considering the intelligence of the people who think in such terms, though, I don't regard that perspective as valuable.

    EDIT: Please note that I dislike Macaroni and Cheese.
     
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    Anyone who dislikes Mac'n'cheese is obviously not intelligent.
     
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    Well crap. I guess I'm un-American, then! :D

    And actually, burning the American flag is the only proper way to dispose of one once it is in bad enough condition - you can't just throw it away!
     
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    Driving a car that wasn't built by the big 3.
    GM, Ford, or Chrysler.

    My like or dislike of Mac 'n Cheese is dependant on who makes it. :m148:
     
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    Almost there.
     
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    To be honest, who cares? (that is a rhetorical question!)
     
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    1. Drinking tea (except for iced tea).
    2. Disliking apple pie.
    3. Being a communist.
    4. Not being a Protestant Christian.
    5. Disliking sports, especially baseball or football.
    6. Supporting gun control legislation in any form.
    7. Disliking Macaroni and Cheese.
    8. Expressing disapproval of military action.
    9. Speaking a language other than English.
    10. Expressing admiration for any other country.
    11. Preferring the Metric system.
    12. Disliking Country Western music.
    13. Burning the American Flag. (I've also burnt the australian flag, as a personal Australia Day tradition)

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    The only things there that I don't like are:
    Disliking apple pie.
    Being a communist.
    Supporting gun control legislation.
     
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    Holy crap. I'm an American, and I still beat Shai by 1.


    I guess that makes me a socialist?
     
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