INFJs and Obvious "Truths" | INFJ Forum

INFJs and Obvious "Truths"

Discussion in 'The INFJ Typology' started by WellNoWonder, Jan 7, 2010.

Share This Page

Watchers:
This thread is being watched by 4 users.
More threads by WellNoWonder
  1. WellNoWonder

    WellNoWonder Peace Through Action

    Joined:
    Dec 10, 2009
    Threads:
    67
    Messages:
    1,113
    Likes Received:
    210
    Trophy Points:
    0
    MBTI:
    INFJ
    Enneagram:
    6w5
    I have been observing the board a bit more than posting, and it seems to me that us INFJs can sometimes be passive when it comes to acknowledging what may be for the most part true.

    Does anyone here agree with this? Do you think that INFJs have a way of ignoring the obvious? If so, why do you think we do it?

    If you don't agree, what's your counter-theory and explain? I'm not asking for an essay, just would like to know others' thoughts.
     
    Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...
  2. Ria

    Ria Snow White over the ocean

    Joined:
    Aug 18, 2009
    Threads:
    48
    Messages:
    2,879
    Likes Received:
    619
    Trophy Points:
    0
    MBTI:
    INFJ.
    Enneagram:
    4 x 6 (I think).
    I think I know why you started this, and it's a good question and way of reflection.

    It's my feeling that we do this because we can usually see all sides, and want to maintain harmony. We dislike rocking the boat and will sometimes be direct yet in a calm and kind way.

    I guess knowing the truth ourselves, we can usually find comfort in that and allow others to see it for themselves through our reflective form of communication.

    I hope that makes sense...
     
    sassafras likes this.
  3. Orion

    Orion Strength through understanding
    Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 21, 2009
    Threads:
    30
    Messages:
    2,107
    Featured Threads:
    1
    Likes Received:
    244
    Trophy Points:
    622
    MBTI:
    INFJ
    Enneagram:
    1w2
    This is obviously related to something. In what context are we talking here?
     
    Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...
  4. OP
    WellNoWonder

    WellNoWonder Peace Through Action

    Joined:
    Dec 10, 2009
    Threads:
    67
    Messages:
    1,113
    Likes Received:
    210
    Trophy Points:
    0
    MBTI:
    INFJ
    Enneagram:
    6w5
    I think we strive to avoid conflict by ignoring it rather than addressing it. I'm not sure why we do this. Watching the board's turbulent nature over the past week has brought this question out of me.
     
    Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...
  5. randomsomeone

    randomsomeone Well-known member

    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2009
    Threads:
    8
    Messages:
    2,145
    Likes Received:
    308
    Trophy Points:
    0
    MBTI:
    INFJ
    It does...nicely stated.
     
  6. OP
    WellNoWonder

    WellNoWonder Peace Through Action

    Joined:
    Dec 10, 2009
    Threads:
    67
    Messages:
    1,113
    Likes Received:
    210
    Trophy Points:
    0
    MBTI:
    INFJ
    Enneagram:
    6w5
    Ria, there are big and small reasons, one I am not up to discussing at this point. Mainly, the conflict between Crow and the board and how many chose to ignore him, and 2 INFJs engaged him, and one other person was another MBTI.
     
    Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...
  7. OP
    WellNoWonder

    WellNoWonder Peace Through Action

    Joined:
    Dec 10, 2009
    Threads:
    67
    Messages:
    1,113
    Likes Received:
    210
    Trophy Points:
    0
    MBTI:
    INFJ
    Enneagram:
    6w5
    I agree.
     
    Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...
  8. IndigoSensor

    IndigoSensor Product Obtained
    Retired Staff

    Joined:
    Nov 12, 2008
    Threads:
    762
    Messages:
    14,154
    Likes Received:
    1,297
    Trophy Points:
    0
    MBTI:
    INFJ
    Enneagram:
    1w2 sx/so/sp
    I have a feeling that the exact definition of what "truth" is, will come up. I care not to define this. I know what "truth" is to me, it has it's own meaning, and I simply with with that when I search for "truths".

    To me, I become exceedinlly annoyed if I can't find the truth for something. Everything in my world has to have some kind of reason, meaning, and pattern. I firmly believe, that in some way, everything is interconnected, and that everything relates to some universal theme. This really applies to internal things, that really can't be pinned down in reality to easily.

    My judging score is very high, so I really like to apply meaning to data and information, and nail everything down. To me this is the search for truth with me. I need to do this. If I don't I actually become rather stressed out. I feel like I am then throwing caution into the wind and am not processing things efficently. I will sometimes create a truth that only I can understand for the time being. Later on though, I will try to be able to explain it.
     
    Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...
    Feelings likes this.
  9. Ria

    Ria Snow White over the ocean

    Joined:
    Aug 18, 2009
    Threads:
    48
    Messages:
    2,879
    Likes Received:
    619
    Trophy Points:
    0
    MBTI:
    INFJ.
    Enneagram:
    4 x 6 (I think).
    What you say is exactly what I had suspected, and I was tuned in to your lack of wanting to directly state in your OP. I hope I didn't cause you to feel as though you had to make your reasons known, my intent was not to be envasive. (friendly smiles to WellNoWonder). But yea, I liked your questions about it...
     
  10. randomsomeone

    randomsomeone Well-known member

    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2009
    Threads:
    8
    Messages:
    2,145
    Likes Received:
    308
    Trophy Points:
    0
    MBTI:
    INFJ
    I think Ria's point is a good one....truth (ultimate truth anyway) is a journey. One must respect that journey in another person. This is why the manner in which we travel alongside each other matters. There are ultimate truths, but the paths to these truths are very diverse. One never knows how another is processing it all.
     
  11. OP
    WellNoWonder

    WellNoWonder Peace Through Action

    Joined:
    Dec 10, 2009
    Threads:
    67
    Messages:
    1,113
    Likes Received:
    210
    Trophy Points:
    0
    MBTI:
    INFJ
    Enneagram:
    6w5
    No you did not make me feel this way at all. I'm glad you see it actually, and why I love this forum so. Believe me, I feel very connected to you at this exact moment because of it.

    I have to ask the questions, because I really, really want us to understand ourselves, and at the same time, remain TRUE to ourselves.
     
    Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...
  12. Whitefire89

    Whitefire89 Community Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2009
    Threads:
    20
    Messages:
    425
    Likes Received:
    33
    Trophy Points:
    0
    MBTI:
    INFJ BABY!

    Strive to avoid...:m049:

    No..not really.

    well as with me i tend to want to strive toward conflict but only to solve it.

    I hear INFJ's are protectors.

    I enjoy protecting others...therefore i put myself in the conflict.:m030:
     
    Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...
    #12 Whitefire89, Jan 7, 2010
    Last edited: Jan 7, 2010
  13. Introspiritual

    Introspiritual Community Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2008
    Threads:
    9
    Messages:
    136
    Likes Received:
    13
    Trophy Points:
    0
    MBTI:
    INFJ
    Fe = consideration. As it is the INFJ's first-line tool for dealing with others, we try to get along with people and strive for harmony. As such, we avoid conflict in order to not hurt/injure others, because the feeling of that is echoed back to us. The stronger our Fe, the easier it is for avoidance to trump action.

    Part of starting to use Ti and Se more is to understand that sometimes there has to be a bit of conflict in order for peace to return. It's counter-intuitive, so we have a bit of a hard time with it at first. However, as we grow, it does become easier to do. :)
     
    Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...
  14. mooseman

    mooseman Local Claviger
    Donor

    Joined:
    Sep 29, 2009
    Threads:
    18
    Messages:
    880
    Likes Received:
    103
    Trophy Points:
    175
    MBTI:
    INFJ
    Enneagram:
    9-ish
    Interesting topic, WNW. For me, when it comes to people, I think we are somehow spiritually interconnected in a way such that we are nothing more than different parts of the same being. That makes me want to deal with other people's shortcomings as if they were my own, and I'm not a fan of punishing myself. That also means that if I am kind, I believe that the other person will also be part of that kindness.

    I don't think I avoid difficult truths, but in Crow's case I did avoid him and in general I do avoid conflict if I can. No excuses there.
    Posted via Mobile Device
     
  15. arbygil

    arbygil Passing through

    Joined:
    Nov 29, 2008
    Threads:
    382
    Messages:
    11,688
    Likes Received:
    1,368
    Trophy Points:
    881
    MBTI:
    INFJ
    Enneagram:
    9w1
    I think, too, that it's in the nature of an INFJ to avoid confrontation unless they've been trained or brought up to deal with difficult situations. Also, it's easier to let people "in charge" handle things when it gets too rough.

    We're sensitive beings; we don't like people yelling at us and we don't like being in the middle of things we haven't yet processed in our heads. But if someone attacks a person we admire or are close or attacks a group we've sworn to protect, to you can bet we'll come out swinging.
     
  16. Whitefire89

    Whitefire89 Community Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2009
    Threads:
    20
    Messages:
    425
    Likes Received:
    33
    Trophy Points:
    0
    MBTI:
    INFJ BABY!

    Exactly
     
    Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...
  17. Trifoilum

    Trifoilum find wisdom, build hope.

    Joined:
    Dec 27, 2009
    Threads:
    197
    Messages:
    6,554
    Featured Threads:
    2
    Likes Received:
    1,734
    Trophy Points:
    380
    MBTI:
    INFJ
    Enneagram:
    6w5
    most of the times avoiding the obvious is a easy chore for different reasons. I'm usually gathering datas instead of trusting my hunch first, and then when I finallly had seen the truth; I usually went on to consider how it's related, how to use it, and how to do it as correct as possible compared to the situation, and to the outside world, that might be seen as inactivity. And sometimes it went to the procrastination area.

    I guess I'm just that perfectionist.
     
    Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...
  18. Reon

    Reon Midnight's Garden

    Joined:
    Nov 1, 2008
    Threads:
    66
    Messages:
    1,768
    Likes Received:
    323
    Trophy Points:
    627
    MBTI:
    Questioning?
    Enneagram:
    5w6
    I do the same, you can't always help people by just being a talking buddy and avoiding conflicts. Then again, my INFJness is contested.
     
  19. OP
    WellNoWonder

    WellNoWonder Peace Through Action

    Joined:
    Dec 10, 2009
    Threads:
    67
    Messages:
    1,113
    Likes Received:
    210
    Trophy Points:
    0
    MBTI:
    INFJ
    Enneagram:
    6w5
    I find myself doing this. There are certain situations I outright avoid. But I am known as somewhat of a Yorkshire terrior watchdog (because I'm so little lol). I am very loyal to my friends and the fire comes out if I see them being disrespected)

    Thanks for this explanation. It clears up a lot for me. I do think as I grow, I am able to handle conflict better. I think a lot of it has to do with me being able to not to be so introspective on whether or not I'm going to hurt someone's feelings if I say what I think needs to be said.

    Now I just want to hug you. Please don't be squeamish. lol

    The wrath of the INFJ. What a sight to behold. And usually for VERY GOOD reasons.
     
    Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...
  20. mooseman

    mooseman Local Claviger
    Donor

    Joined:
    Sep 29, 2009
    Threads:
    18
    Messages:
    880
    Likes Received:
    103
    Trophy Points:
    175
    MBTI:
    INFJ
    Enneagram:
    9-ish
    Aww.. :hug:
     
Loading...

Share This Page