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INFJ predisposition to ethno-nationalism?

I can't help but notice that his escalation came after he was pushed into a corner and condemned/rejected.

This thread could be titled:
How to push someone who is stressed from navigating race relations into a blatant racist in less than six hours 101.

No, he was just looking for an outlook to intellectualize and justify racism. There are so many ways he could have gone in how he expressed his views. No one can make someone a racist, that's a choice. He was simply looking for someone to say he was justified in his views and say he was right. He didn't care about the consequences or problems with this view. If he was truly interested in addressing this from an objective perspective, he would have worded his comments differently and offered some kind of support for his perspective. And if he wanted to leave, why did he come back? And of all the things he could have done, was being blatantly racist the most rational, reasonable, and sensible response to people rejecting segregationist views? Really? Of all the possible responses, this was the best one? Sure, makes total sense.
 
He was already a racist, he just put up a good face.

That's not to say he couldn't have been talked to about his views in a civil fashion, but still he was a racist. I mean, that guy probably had a folder of those racist pictures handy on his desktop.
 
I can't help but notice that his escalation came after he was pushed into a corner and condemned/rejected... and then after being humiliated by apologising, lectured some more.

This thread could be titled:
How to push someone who is stressed from navigating race relations into a blatant racist in less than 24 hours 101.

After someone is pushed into the stereotype designated for them from the outset everyone can say: A-ha!

 
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What did he get banned for?
Being racist (though not inciting hate crime) , calling the forum software/processes shit, using the term "faggot" , or all of above?

I don't believe that taboo subjects should be tackled via more censorship
 
I can't help but notice that his escalation came after he was pushed into a corner and condemned/rejected.

This thread could be titled:
How to push someone who is stressed from navigating race relations into a blatant racist in less than six hours 101.

This person is blatantly racist and hateful irrespective of anything that anyone else did. No one pushed this person to that extreme, their mind is already deeply there.

It's ideal if people want to take the time to talk to intolerant and hateful people and try to help them to see and understand that those who are different share complex human thoughts and emotions. But I think that people who are discriminated against, or even people who have seen and felt the harms of this kind of thing, are not under any obligation to patiently explain to oppressors why oppressed should be treated equally as human beings. It's also understandable why they would not want to spend their time doing that.
 
What did he get banned for?
Being racist (though not inciting hate crime) , calling the forum software/processes shit, using the term "faggot" , or all of above?


I don't believe that taboo subjects should be tackled via more censorship

Oh, so posting a picture of Gabby Douglas face next to a picture of an ape is acceptable and encourages positive and open discussion about race?
 
Oh, so posting a picture of Gabby Douglas face next to a picture of an ape is acceptable and encourages positive and open discussion about race?

Well, I didn't see that, because: censorship. LOL.
 
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Well, I didn't see that, because: censorship. LOL.
What if a picture of your friend, relative, child, or parent who happened to be black was posted on a forum alongside a picture of a gorilla or ape? Would that be funny to you then? Would it still be cute to you to know that someone is seeing that everyday? Or does it not click with you because of race? What do you think a person of color would feel seeing that? Do you think it would be "fun" or cute to have that up for everyone to view?
 
He wanted insight into his own thought process. He wanted validation that he wasn't a bad person. You told him he was a bad person. He asked for a fresh start and was denied. Then he burned the bridge.

Can someone explain the correlation with anime?
 
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No, he was just looking for an outlook to intellectualize and justify racism. There are so many ways he could have gone in how he expressed his views. No one can make someone a racist, that's a choice. He was simply looking for someone to say he was justified in his views and say he was right. He didn't care about the consequences or problems with this view. If he was truly interested in addressing this from an objective perspective, he would have worded his comments differently and offered some kind of support for his perspective. And if he wanted to leave, why did he come back? And of all the things he could have done, was being blatantly the most rational, reasonable, and sensible response to people rejecting segregationist views? Really? Of all the possible responses, this was the best one? Sure, makes total sense.
Perhaps you're right. Nevertheless, immediately after this thread was created, he contacted me via pm (thinking I might be a mod), wanting to edit or delete this thread. I think he was trying to address some personal stuff, but had over-dressed it in impersonal (political) language.

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The topic of people being pressured into coherent/consistent categories has been on my mind lately.

Black people are called white-blacks in a derisive way if they don't conform to an arbitrary stereotype. The derision serves as an ultimatum, to which most people respond by conforming to either the derided, or favoured stereotype more closely. Few people seem to maintain an ambiguous non-stereotype in the face of pressure.

In respect of the OP, I can see a plethora of back-stories... but I think it is mostly better to take people as they present themselves: the OP was a person struggling with some issues... the person who was banned was a racist.

I think there is a lack of consciousness here some times about how easily people are manipulated into apologising for what they haven't done, and into defending what they don't believe.

He tried to flip over into apologising and disavowing his difficulties. When that didn't work he flipped the other way. He just wasn't firm about his actual difficulties... but people with difficulties seldom can be firm about anything.

Why he didn't just log off, never to return, but NEEDED to have his account deleted indicates to me some ocd about relationships. The obsessive compulsive eventually hates their beloved obsessions, and it is entirely imaginable that this guy was living in a community with serious racial tensions, in which he was ensnared by his inability to detach.
 
I'm happy to be part of a community that shows zero tolerance to hatred and discrimination.
I tolerate everyone and berate everyone.
I tolerate hatred and discrimination as much as I tolerate love and deference.... so don't get too proud or happy.
 
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Wow! It was interesting to watch the mask fall of that one!...... Shit!
Well,
Personally I love to look over a crowd and see humans of all race, its so beautiful! And to "confess something not so anonymously" there is something I love about real dark skin. I also like the look of Asian people :)
 
What if a picture of your friend, relative, child, or parent who happened to be black was posted on a forum alongside a picture of a gorilla or ape? Would that be funny to you then? Would it still be cute to you to know that someone is seeing that everyday? Or does it not click with you because of race? What do you think a person of color would feel seeing that? Do you think it would be "fun" or cute to have that up for everyone to view?

Well, it wouldn't bother me too much, because I'm not easily offended, and in reality zero physical harm was conducted..or successfully incited..

But anyway, *now* that I am informed, I can sympathise with your action and decision.

But WHY are you answering my query with passive aggression?
 
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Well, he figured out how to get off the forum...that's too bad.

Milky, I've had a rough weekend and this has actually cheered me up. I don't think I've ever seen a better advert for multiculturalism, and racial tolerance than the bile this "possibly mentally disturbed" white supremacist racist came out with. I tried to be as neutral as I could but boy oh boy some people huh ?

i think possibly reminding him that his ancestors were black did not cool his temper. White people huh ? lol lol. Ps I am white myself, unless my eyesight has really taken a nosedive. ;)
 
Milky, I've had a rough weekend and this has actually cheered me up. I don't think I've ever seen a better advert for multiculturalism, and racial tolerance than the bile this "possibly mentally disturbed" white supremacist racist came out with. I tried to be as neutral as I could but boy oh boy some people huh ?

i think possibly reminding him that his ancestors were black did not cool his temper. White people huh ? lol lol. Ps I am white myself, unless my eyesight has really taken a nosedive. ;)

I wear my skin inside out so no one can discriminate against me because of my color. They can only judge me by the size of my inside out wiener...
 
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