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I'm not sure I would say my LSD & Shroom trips opened my mind, but gave me another perspective, another way to interperate the world around me. Hard to describe and put into words.

It is never a good idea to pressure someone into doing a drug of any kind. Especially a hallucinogenic.

For those of you who've used drugs and have been affected in this way, how lasting was the effect? Did the insights you experienced while under their influence stay with you once the drugs wore off the way something you learn stays with you? Did you continue to experience further changes in perception once you were no longer under their influence (as though they opened a previously closed channel within you?) Something else altogether?
 
No real long lasting physical changes for me. I do remember one time that I continued to see walls breathing for a good 30+ hours, but that eventually dissipated. I still occasionally get that if I'm looking at something like a shower curtain, or certain repeating patterns. I also had a problem for a while with some rather odd hallucinations occurring when sober, but I don't attribute those to what I had taken in the past, but rather some highly stressful life situations at the time.

My insights definitely stayed with me. It's almost impossible to explain what I went through each different time (as if I could even remember them all!) but the most changing was the last time I took anything. It was a terribly intense trip in which my entire reality was shattered (the world turned 2-D, I had no idea who I was, detached voices surrounded me for hours, time seemed to stop, so on and so forth) When I say that I don't mean I came out of it with the idea that little green monsters rule our subconscious or anything. Rather, while I was in that highly unstable state of mind I was forced to deconstruct my own identity. I was confronted with everything I disliked about myself, much of which I was unaware of. While tripping, the entire world became unlike anything I was use to, and I was convinced I had lost my mind forever. I was in so much panic that I became physically sick. Basically it was the longest day of my life, and it took me a couple weeks to really return to baseline.

I say it altered my perceptions because I left it with less faith in 'reality'. It's not that I have new spiritual beliefs, that I think portals exist that can transport me somewhere else, or anything of that nature. Rather it's a realization that if something as simple as a tiny amount of a chemical can completely change my ideas of reality (I strongly believed everything I was seeing thinking and feeling was real) how much faith can that leave me in my "sober" perception of the world. I came out of it feeling rather void of any spiritual notions I had before, which was a big change for me. Basically I realized that anything and everything we believe could be nothing more than an altered perception. I'm convinced that there is no possible way to know anything for sure. I wouldn't say it was a negative change, rather a neutral one, and the insight I gained about my own identity and negative traits helped me change what I was unhappy with. That was a couple years ago, and now I have absolutely no desire to use any sort of hallucinogen again. I learned from them what I needed to know.
 
While I haven't had any physical effects stay with me, I can remember how I perceived the world while tripping.

Basically I realized that anything and everything we believe could be nothing more than an altered perception. I'm convinced that there is no possible way to know anything for sure.

I've thought about that very same thing.

I had one really bad experience on acid. I felt detached from my body.
Really was a scary experience.
From there on out I only took it if I was in the right frame of mind.

I would take some acid today if I knew where to get it.
I wouldn't want to do a full blown trip, but just take enough to give me a light euphoric buzz.
 
I tend to view harsh drug laws as a characteristic of backwards societies. Look at the penalties in African countries, China, etc. They tend to be ridiculously overly harsh, and there is really no good reason to lock people up for a lot of those reasons, esp. marijuana.
 
Erowid

For those of you who've used drugs and have been affected in this way, how lasting was the effect? Did the insights you experienced while under their influence stay with you once the drugs wore off the way something you learn stays with you? Did you continue to experience further changes in perception once you were no longer under their influence (as though they opened a previously closed channel within you?) Something else altogether?

[MENTION=407]Soulful[/MENTION]

If you want to read up on experiences of what different drugs do to people you can read them here. Erowid has been around a long time and is dedicated to providing factual information about the different chemicals that alter the mind.

http://www.erowid.org/

This is an article I am about to read regarding Legislation on Ahayuasca us in Brazil.

Legislative Hearings Discuss Attempt to Ban the Use of Ayahuasca in Brazil

I do not think the government should be involved in legislating natural plants.
 
There are also guys out there who keep drug logs. They get high and then they write their thoughts and experiences. If I find the link I'll post it.
 
Why would anyone get satisfaction from this?

It seems kinda twisted.

I'm trying to understand why anyone would be happy or glad about something like this.

Where does that impulse come from?

You are far removed from those involved, so you have no emotional attachment. I get that.

They sell drugs, you dont sell drugs.
You follow the law, they dont.
You win for being good, they lose for being bad.
Justice is served.

Is that about it?

help me get it...

@Barnabas
do some research
eat a mushroom


Get off your high horse jerk.
 
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our law is no good
i hate to think about life for these kids inside a prison

why are we wasting our resources busting college students?
some 20 year olds selling weed, LSD, coke... who the hell cares about this?!

these are not hardcore drug dealers
5000 in cash was confiscated during the bust
this is small change
especially when you consider that this operation was stretched out over 5 months

what a joke... in this video they show a picture of a few marijuana plants
such a small time operation, it's almost laughable

our police have nothing better to do?
pretty disgusting
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnJgHPXv8Oc"]YouTube - Ivy League Drug Bust[/ame]
 
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There are also guys out there who keep drug logs. They get high and then they write their thoughts and experiences. If I find the link I'll post it.

[MENTION=1834]sandra_b[/MENTION]: this is the grand daddy of guys who keep/kept drug logs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Shulgin

Shulgin began studying organic chemistry as a Harvard University scholarship student. In 1943, at the age of 19, he dropped out of school, and joined the U.S. Navy, where he eventually became interested in pharmacology.[5] After serving in the Navy (veteran of World War II), he returned to Berkeley, California, and in 1954 earned his Ph.D. in biochemistry from the University of California, Berkeley. Through the late 1950s, Shulgin completed post-doctoral work in the fields of psychiatry and pharmacology at University of California, San Francisco. After working at Bio-Rad Laboratories as a research director for a brief period, he began work at Dow Chemical Company as a senior research chemist.[5]
It was at this time that he had a series of psychedelic experiences that helped to shape his further goals and research, beginning with an experience with mescaline.[6]
I first explored mescaline in the late '50s, Three-hundred-fifty to 400 milligrams. I learned there was a great deal inside me.
 
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Odds are because of their age, lack of prior records, (I assume) and dare I say social standing, they will get stayed sentences with probation.

I for some reason feel their almost certain expulsion from the school will be harsh enough punishment.
 
I tend to view harsh drug laws as a characteristic of backwards societies. Look at the penalties in African countries, China, etc. They tend to be ridiculously overly harsh, and there is really no good reason to lock people up for a lot of those reasons, esp. marijuana.

Yep. It's another so called "Sin" law that allows the ones in power to make money over the others.

Besides - if people are happy at home growing their own 'happiness' in their back yards - what on earth will they BUY to keep them happy? Corporate greed needs unahppy people to buy their stuff that 'supposedly' makes people happy.

"Buy that new sexy car and every woman will want to jump in bed with you..."

"That new perfume will make you happy because every other woman will be jealous you smell so good..."

Sigh...

This world is bass-ackwards...
 
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I dunno how dumb them doing that really was. Back were I went to school getting caught selling drugs basically met getting a slap on the wrist at least the first time around.

Odds are because of their age, lack of prior records, (I assume) and dare I say social standing, they will get stayed sentences with probation.

I for some reason feel their almost certain expulsion from the school will be harsh enough punishment.

[MENTION=676]Lucifer[/MENTION] and [MENTION=1355]MindYourHead[/MENTION]

I can't access the article for some reason, but it depends on who busted them. If it was school officials, then that may entail a slap on the wrist, but to me it looks like it was a law enforcement matter, and in that case they're probably screwed.
 
Wow, thanks for explaining all of that Mf. Without having gone through what you went through, I can completely understand what you mean about the perception of reality. I've experienced that myself albeit in less freaky ways, and I found the experiences to really jolt my paradigm on so-called reality.

Kudos to you for coming out of it so well.

@Soulful

If you want to read up on experiences of what different drugs do to people you can read them here. Erowid has been around a long time and is dedicated to providing factual information about the different chemicals that alter the mind.

http://www.erowid.org/

This is an article I am about to read regarding Legislation on Ahayuasca us in Brazil.

Legislative Hearings Discuss Attempt to Ban the Use of Ayahuasca in Brazil

I do not think the government should be involved in legislating natural plants.

Thanks, I will check these out.

There are also guys out there who keep drug logs. They get high and then they write their thoughts and experiences. If I find the link I'll post it.

Thanks Sandra.

@sandra_b: this is the grand daddy of guys who keep/kept drug logs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Shulgin

Shulgin began studying organic chemistry as a Harvard University scholarship student. In 1943, at the age of 19, he dropped out of school, and joined the U.S. Navy, where he eventually became interested in pharmacology.[5] After serving in the Navy (veteran of World War II), he returned to Berkeley, California, and in 1954 earned his Ph.D. in biochemistry from the University of California, Berkeley. Through the late 1950s, Shulgin completed post-doctoral work in the fields of psychiatry and pharmacology at University of California, San Francisco. After working at Bio-Rad Laboratories as a research director for a brief period, he began work at Dow Chemical Company as a senior research chemist.[5]
It was at this time that he had a series of psychedelic experiences that helped to shape his further goals and research, beginning with an experience with mescaline.[6]
I first explored mescaline in the late '50s, Three-hundred-fifty to 400 milligrams. I learned there was a great deal inside me.
– Alexander Shulgin, LA Times, 1995[6]
He would later write that everything he saw and thought "had been brought about by a fraction of a gram of a white solid, but that in no way whatsoever could it be argued that these memories had been contained within the white solid ... I understood that our entire universe is contained in the mind and the spirit. We may choose not to find access to it, we may even deny its existence, but it is indeed there inside us, and there are chemicals that can catalyze its availability."

Thanks Sloe. I'll be reading up on that.
 
If they needed money to fund their education - then how can they afford high powered high profile attorneys?

http://www.dnainfo.com/20110118/upp...lleged-drug-ring-retain-highpowered-attorneys

MANHATTAN SUPREME COURT — At least three of the Columbia University undergrads charged in connection to a campus drug ring exposed last month have retained high-powered defense attorneys who previously handled celebrities and other prominent cases, DNAinfo has learned.
The students — all of whom are due in court Tuesday — face a litany of drug charges stemming from "Operation Ivy League," a five-month joint investigation by the NYPD and the Office of the Special Narcotics Prosecutor that led to the arrests of five students and three alleged suppliers.

Peter Frankel, a lawyer who represents New York Jets star wide receiver Braylon Edwards on charges he drove while drunk, has also taken on the case of 20-year-old Jose Stephan Perez, a Columbia student charged with selling Adderall and amphetamine to an undercover police officer at the Pi Kappa Alpha house on West 114th Street's "fraternity row," sources told DNAinfo.

Frankel also represented hip hop artist and actor Method Man in a tax evasion case and former New York Giant Plaxico Burress on a gun possession rap in 2009.

Philosophy student Christopher Coles, 20, has hired Marc Agnifilo, a former federal prosecutor who recently represented fallen Manhattan real estate tycoon Adam Hochfelder as well as Temeka Lewis, a former escort booker for Emperors Club V.I.P., the underground prostitution agency patronized by disgraced former governor Eliot Spitzer.
Columbia student Adam Klein was allegedly caught with more than $4,000 in cash and has been charged with selling LSD, including sprinkling the drug on Altoids breath mints and SweetTARTS candy, prosecutors said.
Klein, also 20, has hired veteran criminal defense attorney Alan Abramson.

It remained unclear prior to Tuesday's proceedings which attorneys will represent defendants Harrison David, 21, who is facing a class "A" felony and is charged with being the ringleader of the Columbia drug ring; or Michael Wymbs, 22, an engineering student who allegedly sold MDMA and LSD from his campus apartment on Morningside Drive and was arrested with $500 in cash on his person, according to the Special Narcotics Prosecutor, Bridget Brennan, who is handling the case.

The defendants were assigned publicly-funded lawyers at their arraignment on Dec. 7, but it was unclear whether some of them have changed lawyers by choice or because they do not qualify for public defenders because they do not qualify as financially indigent.

The defendants have all been released after posting as much as $75,000 in bail.

Between the five defendants, prosecutors said undercover narcotics officers bought nearly $11,000 worth of marijuana, cocaine, powdered ecstasy, Adderall and LSD.
Some of the students arrested allegedly told arresting officers they were dealing drugs to pay for their tuition.
 
I've since come in contact with the person I know with this. His parents help him out, and he (was) on full scholarship at columbia. I would not be surprised if that was the case for the others as well. Further, his family is on the affluent side of things.
 
I remembered reading this some times ago... quite long and comprehensive, although I do not know much about its neutrality (it's a magazine's features, after all)
http://nymag.com/news/features/70308/

Fraternity row isn’t his home anymore. Eight days earlier, David was a dark-haired, boyish financial-aid student who roamed the Morningside Heights campus with 5,600 other undergraduates. He was an engineering major who once talked about wanting to be, literally, a rocket scientist. Now he stands accused of being the lead offender in a campuswide drug-dealing ring, the largest operation of its kind at a local college in recent memory. In a dawn raid on December 7, NYPD officers formed bunker teams carrying battering rams and stormed the dorm rooms of David and four other students, then arrested them and hauled them downtown in front of local-news cameras. “Operation Ivy League” was said to involve five months of undercover work, including $11,000 in marijuana, cocaine, ecstasy, Adderall, and LSD buys. “This is no way,” police commissioner Ray Kelly deadpanned at the press conference, “to work your way through college.”
 
It sounds like they were getting a bit more than tuition money, K-gal.

And they probably got those lawyers through affluence and connections. If you're smart and go to columbia, you better be making some connections.
 
Don't do the crime if you can't do the time

As cheesy as that sounds if he was so brilliant he should have fucking known better. Smart people can be pretty dumb sometimes.