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Cruz! At least he's actually a politician and not a reckless sociopath like Trump.

Plus he’s the ass-clown that shut down the government a couple years ago to read Green Eggs and Ham and waste everyone’s time and money trying to defund Obamacare after the SCOTUS gave it the thumbs up he threw his childish fit on the Congressional floor.
He most certainly is not presidential material…and people who make statements like -
Cruz: 'Any President Who Doesn't Begin Every Day On His Knees Isn't Fit To Be Commander-In-Chief Of This Nation'
See more at: http://www.rightwingwatch.org/conte...e-commander-chief-nation#sthash.Tof9Obc2.dpuf

Most certainly shouldn’t be.
 
I begrudgingly agree. Cruz is not much better, but he's less of a wild card than Trump is. It's all about who can do less damage at this point with the Republicans.
I think he could at least be reigned in. At least that's my hope.
Ted Cruz, you hear that?! You are our only hope, you slightly less insane bastard.

But I wouldn't vote for either. I'm voting for either Hillary or Bernie.

Reigned in by who? Trumps friends? Hahaha. Do you think this is a real possibility?
 
Which one of these candidates do you think represent your views at least 50%? Do any go above 75%?

Its time to overhaul the system.
 
Trump makes me scared.... I guess we have good reasons to do so here in Iran though...
 
Looks like Trump will be denied, he is slipping in Wisconsin and is loosing a lot of delegates he thought he had won. Will he run as an independent (we can only dream)
 
Open Letter To Trump
From one of his campaign defectors
http://www.xojane.com/issues/stephanie-cegielski-donald-trump-campaign-defector


When do we see Donald Trump as a serious politician?

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Should Donald Trump be banned from the UK?

[video=youtube;DdTY0bPqRYc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdTY0bPqRYc[/video]


The WORST Answer In Debate History

[video=youtube;rrqqQAfenUo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrqqQAfenUo[/video]



How is Donald Trump Able to File for Bankruptcy So Many Times?

How is Donald Trump Able to File for Bankruptcy So Many Times?
Written by James Hirbyand

Fact Checked by The Law Dictionary Staff

People might ask "How is Donald Trump able to file for bankruptcy so many times?"

The answer is "He didn't."

Trump himself has never filed for bankruptcy. His corporations have filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy four times.


By filing for Chapter 11 bankruptcy, the corporation is allowed to continue running while restructuring and reducing its debt. By allowing the business to continue, employees still have their jobs and the business is still making money. Corporate debts still need to be repaid but they may be reduced. The corporation must develop a repayment plan and corporate budget. Both must be approved by the creditors and by the bankruptcy court.

A corporation is a separate legal entity from its shareholders, other owners, board of directors, and CEO. Since it is a separate entity, the corporation files bankruptcy under its own name. In Chapter 11 bankruptcies, the owners’ personal assets are not at risk. The owners’ credit history remains intact.

In 1991, Trump's Taj Mahal located in Atlantic City was in debt for billions of dollars. As a result, Trump's corporation filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy. The Bankruptcy court allowed Trump to reorganize his corporate debts and allowed the casino to keep operating. Trump did surrender half of his ownership interests in the Taj Mahal. He chose to sell his yacht and airplane to help make loan payments.

In 1992, Trump filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy on his Trump Plaza Hotel in Atlantic City. At this time, Trump owed $550 million on the Trump Plaza Hotel. As part of the restructuring, Trump gave Citibank a 49% interest in the hotel. He was given a lenient repayment plan. Trump was able to stay on as CEO but he had to give up his salary.

Trump Hotels and Casino Resorts filed for bankruptcy in 2004. The corporation had $1.8 billion dollars of debt. Trump reduced his share in the company to 25% thereby surrendering his control of the corporation. The corporation received lower interest rates and another loan to upgrade the properties.

In 2009, Trump Entertainment Resorts filed bankruptcy after missing a large bond interest payment. Trump was not able to agree with his board of directors on a repayment plan so he resigned as chairman of the board and retained only a 10% ownership interest in the corporation



Law Dictionary: How is Donald Trump Able to File for Bankruptcy So Many Times?


Case Study: Trump Airline's
http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,2068227_2068229_2068223,00.html

The rest:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...ep/21/carly-fiorina/trumps-four-bankruptcies/


Trump & The Mob

"How Close Was Donald Trump To The Mob? If Donald Trump wants to be a serious candidate for president, we deserve to know more about his business with mass murderers whose plunder of public and private funds added up to billions.

By David Marcus JULY 28, 2015

Donald Trump is running for president. Many believed or hoped that the Donald's latest foray into national politics was nothing more than a public-relations move, not a serious attempt to reside at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

But now that Trump holds the lead in national polls, as well as polls in Iowa and New Hampshire, it's time to take his campaign seriously. Media outlets like Huffington Post and the Wall Street Journal, which are covering Trump's run as an entertainment story, not a news story, are making a mistake. If Trump wants to be a serious candidate for president, and has the numbers to back it up, he must be vetted like a serious candidate for president.

A good place to start is to take a hard look at Trump’s ties to Philadelphia and New York organized-crime families.*Donald Trump's Connections to Organized Crime*Trump was building his eponymous empire of hotels, casinos, and high rises in the early 1980s in New York City and Atlantic City. In both places, the construction industry was firmly under the thumb of the mafia. And in both places there are literally concrete connections between*La Cosa Nostra*and Trump's lavish projects. Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist David Cay Johnston, who has covered Trump for decades, has written a very*useful list*of questions for Trump.

Many focus on his ties to the mob. In addition in his 1992 book, "Trump, The Deals and the Downfall," author Wayne Barrett lays out a slew of suspicious dealings and associations.*The Atlantic City story starts with Trump's purchase of a bar, at twice its market value, from Salvatore Testa, a made man in the Philadelphia mafia and son of Philip "Chicken Man" Testa, who was briefly head of the Philly mob after Angelo Bruno's 1980 killing.

Harrah’s casino, half owned by Trump, would be built on that land, and Trump would quickly buy out his partner, Harrah’s Entertainment, and rename the casino Trump Plaza.*Author Wayne Barrett lays out a slew of suspicious dealings and associations.*Trump Plaza's connection to the mob didn't end with the land purchase from Testa. Nicademo "Little Nicky" Scarfo (who became boss after the elder Testa was blown up) and his nephew Phillip "crazy Phil" Leonetti controlled two of the major construction and concrete companies in Atlantic City.

Both companies, Scarf, Inc. and Nat Nat, did work on the construction of Harrah's, according the State of New Jersey Commission of Investigation's 1986*report on organized crime. In addition, Scarfo, whose reign as head of the Philly mob was one of the bloodiest in history, controlled the bartenders union, which represented Trump's workers in Atlantic City, according to George Anastasia’s book, "Blood and Honor."*One more link to organized crime lurks in Trump's past Atlantic City dealings.

He had a*close association*with Kenny Shapiro, an investment banker for Scarfo. According to secret recordings of then Scarfo attorney Robert F. Simone, Shapiro was intimately involved with bribing Atlantic City Mayor Michael J. Matthews, whose term would end in 1984 with a conviction on extortion charges.*On the tapes, in 1983, Simone, talking about Leonetti, states: "He's a nice-looking boy…Nicky's nephew, he can sit with the…mayor. Ah, and Kenny's (Shapiro) got the mayor through this kid Phillip."*The Connections Don't End in Atlantic City*Trump's association and business dealings with known mafia figures was not limited to his Atlantic City projects. In New York City, several of his buildings were built by S&A Concrete Co., a concern partly owned by Anthony "Fat Tony" Salerno, the boss of the Genovese crime family.

In addition to this business relationship, Trump and Salerno were*both represented*by high-power attorney Roy Cohn. In his book, Barrett cites an anonymous source who confirms that on at least one occasion Trump and Salerno had a sit-down in Cohn's apartment. Trump has denied this claim in the past.*How can the candidate who promises to secure the border and bring good jobs back to America explain having farmed out good-paying jobs to a bunch of illegal immigrants?*Is it reasonable to assume that Trump had no idea that S&A was run by Salerno's Genovese*borgatawhen Trump's own attorney was so closely linked to that organization?

After all, if Trump (who likes to point out that he has "one of the highest IQs") is as smart as he would have everyone believe, how could he have been so naive?*Another issue that needs to be addressed in Trump's New York operations is the use of undocumented Polish workers to demolish the Bonwit Teller building, which made way for the Trump Tower. Only a handful of union workers from Housewreckers Local 95 were employed on the site, the vast majority were illegal Polish alien workers, toiling under inhumane conditions, and wildly underpaid. Trump and his associates werefound guilty*in 1991 of conspiring to avoid paying pension and welfare fund contributions.

Two questions arise from this. First, how did Trump get away with using such obvious scab labor without raising the ire of local 95? More importantly, how can the candidate who promises to secure the border and bring good jobs back to America explain having farmed out good-paying jobs, legally entitled to American workers, instead to a bunch of illegal immigrants? When the rubber hit the road Donald Trump didn't walk the walk, he lined his pockets and sold out American workers.

Is it possible that Trump was simply involved in an industry which in the early 1980s was so infiltrated by the mafia that he couldn't help but have tangential ties? Could this myriad of associations, points of contact, and shared affiliations with known mobsters just be the price of doing business in that business at that time? Sure. And if Trump were just a private citizen, businessman, and reality TV star, he would be under no obligation to explain any of this. But he isn’t. He is the frontrunner for the Republican nomination for president of the United States.*


Judge a man by the company which he keeps
http://freedom-articles.toolsforfreedom.com/trump-and-pedophilia-epstein-black-book/

"I've known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy,'' Trump told New York magazine in a 2002 profile of Epstein written three years before Epstein began to be investigated. "He's a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it -- Jeffrey enjoys his social life."

Since then:

Trump's attorney Alan Garten told VICE News last week that the presidential candidate had "no relationship" with Epstein, and only knew him because Epstein was a member of Mar-A-Lago, Trump's private club and residence in Palm Beach.

"A lot of people hung out there, including Jeffrey Epstein," Garten said. "That is the only connection."

Mark Epstein, Jeffrey's brother, testified in 2009 that Trump flew on Jeffrey's private jet at least once.

The private jet which is called Lolita Express...

Lolita is a 1962 British-American black comedy-drama film[3] directed by Stanley Kubrick based on the novel of the same title by Vladimir Nabokov, about a middle-aged man who becomes obsessed with a teenage girl



Or maybe his 169 federal law suits (Including attempted rape)
http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/exclusive-inside-the-donald-trump-sexual-assault-lawsuit/



IMO:

The mans a creep, who even frequently makes inappropriate comments about his own daughter... Plus the guy's into gold plated toilet seats, casino's, and is another career criminal... Good luck with that one.
 
Reigned in by who? Trumps friends? Hahaha. Do you think this is a real possibility?
You're right. Upon further reflection, we would be screwed either way. They are both equally terrible.
 
At least Trump proclaims the idiocy of the War in Iraq.
 
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Well I can say this. I keep thinking the next Presidential election cant possibly be as bad as the present and I keep being proven wrong...
 
Well I can say this. I keep thinking the next Presidential election cant possibly be as bad as the present and I keep being proven wrong...

At least he won't be black
 
At least he won't be black

That's the least of your worries with Obama:


Obama's mom, Ann Durnham:



Obama's Nanny:

Revealed: Barack Obama's gay transgender prostitute nanny who made him laugh by trying on his mother's lipstick
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...te-nanny-cracked-trying-mothers-lipstick.html

THE brother of U.S. President Barack Obama has been barred from Britain after lying to police when accused of a sexual assault (2012)
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/barack-obamas-brother-banned-from-britain-387707

Barack Obama is a Cakeboy from the Down Low Club

[video=youtube;XG0-hDcukyE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG0-hDcukyE[/video]



Is Barack Obama Gay?
http://hillbuzz.org/is-barack-obama-gay


[video=youtube;Et38_Ufv-Jw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Et38_Ufv-Jw[/video]




The 'Beard'/'Heifer'


 
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Cruz is bad. Really really bad. Probably worse than Trump in many ways. Dominionism is very very scary, it really amounts to turning America into a born again Christian theocracy. Look at the endorsements from the people that Ted Cruz associates himself with. Mike Bickle, Kevin Swanson, Flip Benham, his own father Eduardo Cruz--all these people are extremists, some are anti-Semitic, all are homophobes. There are policy decisions which come out of these beliefs and zero tolerance for people who disagree with them and their positions. Theexecution of gays and Muslims? Listen to Samantha Bee on this issue.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...-ted-cruz-friends_us_57035da0e4b0daf53af0c003
 
I can't stand either one of them, I do find Trump to be unintentionally hysterical, but a president is there to be a president, not a comedian. Cruz scares me even more because of his religious fanatical-ism. Either way I think the republican party is in a bad way right now, I had high hopes for Rubio and was sad to see him drop out, even though I disagree with him on certain social issues, I do think he would have been the best choice for the party moving forward.
 




[video=youtube;pXkEeTfdQeA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=pXkEeTfdQeA[/video]​
 
This is my prediction…it won’t be Trump or Cruz but this Ayn Rand loving man-whore.

[video=youtube;osZYDKYO3tI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=osZYDKYO3tI[/video]


It’s strange when all of the sudden he changes his whole rhetoric about how we need to help the poor and how wrong he was about it….such fucking BS.
Let’s see some legislation to back up your own comments Mr. Speaker?

“There was a time when I would talk about a difference between ‘makers’ and ‘takers’ in our country, referring to people who accepted government benefits,” he said. “But as I spent more time listening, and really learning the root causes of poverty, I realized I was wrong. ‘Takers’ wasn’t how to refer to a single mom stuck in a poverty trap, just trying to take care of her family. Most people don’t want to be dependent.”

He’s being groomed to look reasonable and on the side of the people…when we get to a contested convention because the other two are insane…watch who pops up.
Ryan is dangerous.
 
I don't think we need to qualify the word "whore" with "man"
I don't think we need to assume that Ryan is not genuine in his philosophy.
I don't think we need a President who supports the ideas he espouses.
 
I can't stand either one of them, I do find Trump to be unintentionally hysterical, but a president is there to be a president, not a comedian. Cruz scares me even more because of his religious fanatical-ism. Either way I think the republican party is in a bad way right now, I had high hopes for Rubio and was sad to see him drop out, even though I disagree with him on certain social issues, I do think he would have been the best choice for the party moving forward.

I do not want to denegrate GW Bush, I really don't as I know a lot of people who genuinely hold him in high regard/...but he was just as unfit as Trump is. The difference is that Trump has a reputation for being unfit, that will be enough to keep him in check,

Cruz is just as unfit with his paraphrasing of Curtis Lemay, but he gets the "seal" of fitness....which makes him more dangerous.
 
So, Cruz Vs Trump......
I say Trump.

I agree. Trump just seems more genuine than Cruz. Cruz is what I would term a "polished politician." In other words, he just sounds "good" or "promising" but may bear little to no relation to reality.
 
I agree. Trump just seems more genuine than Cruz. Cruz is what I would term a "polished politician." In other words, he just sounds "good" or "promising" but may bear little to no relation to reality.

Did you know that Rafael Cruz was fraternizing with Lee Harvey Oswald around the time of JFK's assassination?

Now you do :)

I've seen the photo, but I'm yet to get the full story.
 
Which one of these candidates do you think represent your views at least 50%? Do any go above 75%?

Its time to overhaul the system.


the problem is there's no consensus by 75%, or 50% of what 'the system' should look like...