War Business

I would like to suggest the book "Constantine's Sword". Another good read is "1453". I will try not to engage further in this conversation. PAX.
 
Wyote said:
Exceptionally politically minded and engaged 3-5 year olds you both were
I am being a bit funny here but I was more engaged myself as a six year old than my peers
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In 1979 I was 10 years old.

I’m Crusty,
Ian
 
aeon said:
In 1979 I was 10 years old.

I’m Crusty,
Ian
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I just threw out an arbitrary number (on the lower end for humor)
Point being, you were just kids and kids don't generally engage in politics
I remember being really active and engaged for Ross Perot and none of my peers knew anything politically
 
This says it all. The largest business in the United States is its military and this has been the case for a very long time. Both parties vote for it and war is how it extracts its value. In this video, Trump specifically states that Spain is not going to pay like everyone else in Europe so they will have higher tariffs and pay more in that way - to me, this is extortion. Furthermore, there is no way that NATO countries would agree to the increase in military spending without the proof that value would be extracted - Trump proved it when he destroyed that mountain in Iran. This is the trigger that opened up the coffers and allowed the west to unite under the tent pole of war induced economics. This is akin to paying the mob “protection” because it tells you that you’re going to pay.

There is two sides of this coin because a strong military is necessary to maintain peace and there are governments that will attack if weakness is recognized. This forces us to consider, where is the balance. Nobody wants to pay for the military and everyone wants the protection from it, but gaining economically through war should not be the catalyst for contributing. It’s not just Trump, it’s all of them.

 
Profiteering through war is a tale as old as time
Expecting otherwise is akin to insanity
 
Wyote said:
Profiteering through war is a tale as old as time
Expecting otherwise is akin to insanity
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A world wired for profit may be challenged though. Profit is so often attached to development and modernity. Centuries later people start clamoring for sustainable development, which is a paradox in and of itself. Of course, profiteers argue climate change is a hoax and those confident they won't have offspring alive long enough to endure the consequences of the rape of the earth resign with an it is what it is mentality, because it really is. There is literally nothing we can do, realistically. At this turn in humanity's "progress", without any reshaping of the values of acquiring more for one's self which society currently holds, death after the rape of this planet is inevitable. Unless we start to challenge the concept of profit and acquisition and shift toward beliefs of cooperation for the balanced and harmonious survival of all, our specie will be stuck in a hamster wheel of its making until it dies from its own run.
 
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I’m sure that NATO and the EU are giddy. There’s nothing like a circle jerk among “world leaders.”

This is all on the heels of an EU trade deal with the US that most of Europe is stating as “submission.” What better way to get the people of Europe to agree than to say, “we don’t have a choice,” while loading up those silk lined pockets.

Trump is so excited that he couldn’t wait a full 50 days to start the money machine on / with Russia.

How far down the rabbit hole can they go with the lies and deceptions. I wouldn’t be surprised if Puttin and his oligarchs are getting paid [by the west] for being the villains.
 
TomasM said:
How far down the rabbit hole can they go with the lies and deceptions.
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Dunno. I’ve only been directly aware of fifty years of it, but it has gone on longer than that, and will continue to go on.

Cheers,
Ian
 
If anything, US is pulling out of the conflict with China. I am glad to see that the more realist wing in US administration is in control. Fact is that US military is made in China, if one loks closely at the supply chains. There are crucial elements (like rare earths) which China has pretty much monopoly over.

I mean it's no surprise, China (and Russia) spent last 30-40 years building real stuff, while US was building financial derivatives and completely neglecting industry, manufacturing, engineering etc. So now US is no position to dictate terms to China, that's why trade negotations are not going anywhere either.

And thanks to Biden and EU, Russia and China are now closer than ever. The only rational thing for US is to retreat and to accept that they cannot influence that part of the world.
 
Hopefully I am wrong, but I think that the window for finding some solution for the Russia - Ukraine war has closed. I think Trump was willing to broker peace, but EU/Ukraine and Putin were not. The thing is now Russia is cornered. They cannot destroy/bomb Ukraine more than they already did, while Ukraine and EU can continue the drone warfare. Historically the strength of Russia was it's vast terrain and space, but this doesn't apply in the current technological era. It's not really that hard to destroy Russia's infrastructure with drones. So far the elites in Moscow and Saint Peterburg were not really affected by the war, but that can change if more of Russia's energy infrastructure is destroyed. The only escalation dominance that Russia has is invoking nukes again...
 
philostam said:
Hopefully I am wrong, but I think that the window for finding some solution for the Russia - Ukraine war has closed. I think Trump was willing to broker peace, but EU/Ukraine and Putin were not. The thing is now Russia is cornered. They cannot destroy/bomb Ukraine more than they already did, while Ukraine and EU can continue the drone warfare. Historically the strength of Russia was it's vast terrain and space, but this doesn't apply in the current technological era. It's not really that hard to destroy Russia's infrastructure with drones. So far the elites in Moscow and Saint Peterburg were not really affected by the war, but that can change if more of Russia's energy infrastructure is destroyed. The only escalation dominance that Russia has is invoking nukes again...
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You are not wrong. In fact, you are on-point.

Cheers,
Ian
 
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