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WHO lauds lockdown-ignoring Sweden as a ‘model’ for countries going forward
By Jackie Salo

April 29, 2020 | 3:24pm


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    WHO lauds lockdown-ignoring Sweden as a ‘model’ for countries going forward
    By Jackie Salo

    April 29, 2020 | 3:24pm

    The World Health Organization lauded Sweden as a “model” for battling the coronavirus as countries lift lockdowns — after the nation controversially refused restrictions.

    Dr. Mike Ryan, the WHO’s top emergencies expert, said Wednesday there are “lessons to be learned” from the Scandinavian nation, which has largely relied on citizens to self-regulate.

    “I think there’s a perception out that Sweden has not put in control measures and just has allowed the disease to spread,” Ryan told reporters. “Nothing can be further from the truth.”

    Ryan noted that instead of lockdowns, the country has “put in place a very strong public policy around social distancing, around caring and protecting people in long-term care facilities.”

    “What it has done differently is it has very much relied on its relationship with its citizenry and the ability and willingness of its citizens to implement self-distancing and self-regulate,” Ryan said. “In that sense, they have implemented public policy through that partnership with the population.”

    He said the country also ramped up testing and had adequate capacity in hospitals to handle any outbreaks.

    “I think if we are to reach a new normal, Sweden represents a model if we wish to get back to a society in which we don’t have lockdowns,” Ryan said.
More info here:https://nypost.com/2020/04/29/who-lauds-sweden-as-model-for-resisting-coronavirus-lockdown/amp/
 
The republican version of the stimulus package 4 is basically eat shit especially for the 30+ million that have lost their jobs. They rather give trillions to the casino that is big business and wall street while everyone else has to fuck themselves with the loss of their homes and everything else.

 
There is some seriously wrong shit going on here.



NATIONAL GUARD PROTECTING MARYLAND'S CORONAVIRUS TESTS IN UNDISCLOSED LOCATION SO FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CAN'T SEIZE THEM
https://www.newsweek.com/national-g...closed-location-so-federal-government-1501309


Hogan said his administration has taken extra care to safeguard the diagnostic tests in light of federal seizures that have played out elsewhere throughout the new coronavirus pandemic. Speaking to The Washington Post, he specifically referenced Massachusetts Governor Charlie Baker's March announcement detailing a seizure of 3 million face masks at the port of New York, after which the state notably employed a private jet owned by the New England Patriots to fulfill a subsequent delivery of personal protective equipment (PPE) from China.

Several state administrations, including those in Colorado, New Jersey, Kentucky and Texas, have reported cases of federal authorities intercepting or diverting supply orders. An April 7 Los Angeles Times report also cited testimonies from medical providers in seven states with similar experiences. With that in mind, Hogan said safeguarding the test kits delivered to Maryland seemed like a logical step to ensure they actually reached state residents.

Maryland is not the only state to implement added precautions with regard to PPE deliveries. Earlier this month, the Chicago Sun-Times published a report saying Illinois Governor J.B. Pritzker was working to obtain face masks and gloves from China without releasing details about the order. An unidentified source told the publication Pritzker's rationale was in response to "reports of Trump trying to take PPE in China and when it gets to the United States."
 
Elon musk is loosing his mind over the shutdown.

Turns out the dude really has no idea how to interpret data.

Intelligence level above average, falling fast.

See, I knew he wasn't that smart when he made claims AI was the greatest threat to mankind's future.

Guy is great businessman but he thinks he smarter than he is.

Businessman angry that his business is shut down. Quelle suprise.

Now there is an argument that the economy does need to reopen. However, he is clearly just pissed off his factory is shut down and he is losing money rather than the well being of his employees.
 
See, I knew he wasn't that smart when he made claims AI was the greatest threat to mankind's future.

Guy is great businessman but he thinks he smarter than he is.

Businessman angry that his business is shut down. Quelle suprise.

Now there is an argument that the economy does need to reopen. However, he is clearly just pissed off his factory is shut down and he is losing money rather than the well being of his employees.

We all turn into nonsensical baby children when the thing we love most is taken away from us.
And the thing he loves most is his empire. Which he did build, with help of course.
 
We all turn into nonsensical baby children when the thing we love most is taken away from us.
And the thing he loves most is his empire. Which he did build, with help of course.

Well yes. The idea of a Gigafactory I give him credit for though. We need more of those.

Raw input in, finished product out. It stops using glorified Slave Labour in China and is easier to Automate to eliminate poor working conditions.

Of course it requires a government to implement UBI if you do it Nationally but one step at a time...

But the Submarine rescue rage shows he has a bad temper. That and the anger when he tweeted to screw over his share price.
 
Given most people's responses of most news, and how we find out months or years later what really happen, I conclude that data doesn't mean much.

As a former Data Analyst I disagree. My job is very important and by no means should businesses stop paying for Data Analysts.

In all seriousness though, the data is fine. Its just people don't know how to interpret it properly.

If you look at the data less than 0.1% of the population is dead in any given country. But that is also 65,000 in the US and 28,000 in the UK.

News outlets tend to go for facts and figures that grab attention without actually getting any meaning from it.

Of course 65 and 28k deaths respective are noteworthy and terrible figures, but the point being in the rest of the data points in a direct its worth looking at.

The data currently points to the economies of the world struggling, but also to the fact many epicentres not being totally over it so caution needs to continue. Finding the right actions in that respect is a balancing act of human wellbeing both financially and physically. Whatever you do, people will suffer. The question is whether you're ideologically driven to a certain outcome, or you're trying to save as many lives as possible, and if you're looking short term lives saved or long term lives saved.

Life is complicated. Much like Data.
 
As a former Data Analyst I disagree. My job is very important and by no means should businesses stop paying for Data Analysts.

In all seriousness though, the data is fine. Its just people don't know how to interpret it properly.

If you look at the data less than 0.1% of the population is dead in any given country. But that is also 65,000 in the US and 28,000 in the UK.

News outlets tend to go for facts and figures that grab attention without actually getting any meaning from it.

Of course 65 and 28k deaths respective are noteworthy and terrible figures, but the point being in the rest of the data points in a direct its worth looking at.

The data currently points to the economies of the world struggling, but also to the fact many epicentres not being totally over it so caution needs to continue. Finding the right actions in that respect is a balancing act of human wellbeing both financially and physically. Whatever you do, people will suffer. The question is whether you're ideologically driven to a certain outcome, or you're trying to save as many lives as possible, and if you're looking short term lives saved or long term lives saved.

Life is complicated. Much like Data.
As ruji, I disagree. I think you are biased to think data is legitimate without once mentioning whether it was. Yes data can be interpreted or presented incorrectly/maliciously, but I thought we already knew that. Now that we're on the same page, let's consider that data is corrupted.
 
As ruji, I disagree. I think you are biased to think data is legitimate without once mentioning whether it was. Yes data can be interpreted or presented incorrectly/maliciously, but I thought we already knew that. Now that we're on the same page, let's consider that data is corrupted.

Data coming out the CCP certainly.

The rest I think to be fairly accurate though the amount of cases is definitely reported lower due to a lack of testing and the asymptomatic.

I tend to look at the death figures though. For everything other than China they are a fairly reliable statistic as you know for certain when a body is involved.

And if you assume there are more cases than reported then you can assume the problem is more widespread than the official figures report. So actions need to reflect that.

We also know that those infected in the first 2 weeks of April will now no longer be carriers of the disease since even the asymptomatic are no longer infected after 2 weeks, which will have hampered the spread significantly.
 
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How could you possibly know that?

Because a dead body is a dead body. They are hard to miss.

If they tested positive for the virus and then died of the symptoms of the virus then the numbers are going to be fairly accurate provided you trust the organisation reporting.

Which I do, I don't think any government other than the CCP has anything to gain from obscuring the amount of death occuring given the free press will find out eventually and report it. Its worse to lie about the death and be found out in a nation with free press than to just be honest and show the true numbers despite the damage.

US, UK and EU hospitals and the appropriate governing bodies will be reporting truthfully.

Are they correct to the precise digit, no, but they'll be enough in the ball park to be accurate for planning.
 
So you personally counted all the dead bodies?
If they tested positive for the virus and then died of the symptoms of the virus then the numbers are going to be fairly accurate provided you trust the organisation reporting.

Which I do
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Unfortunately I don't have the time to go to every hospital to count every body.

Its why the scientific method and scientific honesty is so important. We must be able to trust our data in the scientific community, including the medical community, is accurate, otherwise we can do no science at all.

I trust my collegues in their respective fields to do their job properly and honestly. If they don't, they should be publically named and shamed.

The problem is when governments start interfering with the scientific process because it doesn't support their ideology, see the CCP.

Other countries do it too, but its harder to do in a Democracy with Free Press because newspapers and investagative journalism can find out and report the government's suppression. Or that is the theory at any rate.

In this crisis, I trust the medical community.