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New Not trying scare anyone unnecessarily...it's good to stay informed though.
Keep an eye out for stroke symptoms.
Stay healthy all...much love!
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Thank you @Skarekrow for the updates. Staying informed is paramount to knowing what to look for with this virus.
The question bodes, at least for me, is since the virus needs the cell's DNA to replicate, is it mutating and affecting the body systems it infiltrates and that is why we see so many organs being affected?
 
Total cases: 1,010,507 deaths:56,803
congratulations donny, over a million. . .one third of the cases worldwide. . make america dead again. . and, if you look at graphs of new cases, guess where they are growing? the south. . so lets open up the economy cause they all know this is a media hoax. . .
 
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Kind of how taxes from blue states pay for most of the social services in red states like Mitch McConnell's Kentucky?
Also...this is coming from the guy who has filed bankruptcy how many times?
He's such a stupid joke.
 
Deaths in America have exceeded those in the Viet Nam War.

I am close to someone that cannot open their mouth lately without saying something negative. This deprives me of my inner sanctity and peace, but they have a right to express them selves.

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time for my daily rant. .
total known infections:1,064,836
new cases:+642
dead:61,680
numbers rising everyday. there is no national plan. . states with rising infection rates are re-opening,. . the government is praising itself for a "job well done". . I'm beginning to wonder if acid was added to the white house water system. or perhaps Mr. Anderson has some how taken control of the matrix. . .again, we are fucked
 
For those of you who may have seen or watched the video by two Bakersfield, CA "doctors" it is full of incorrect information and misleading data.
I know this is being spread around Facebook and other platforms and even those I know who would normally be more discerning are sharing it and not understanding the full implications of what they are saying.
I get that people want to hear from people of medical "authority" that things can just jump back to normal and the experts are wrong...please take a minute to check your own reasons for wanting to believe biased, non-factual, and disproven information.
It's nice and easy to hear what you want to hear, but very hard to listen to what you don't.
These two have a financial interest driving them to say what they are saying and the data they cite is cherrypicked and wrong.
I have spent decades reading the intentions of Doctors...it was my job to anticipate what they wanted before they wanted it and I was damn good at it.
I can also tell when they are full of BS and lying...these two take the cake.
Stay safe and healthy everyone!
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ACEP-AAEM Joint Statement on Physician Misinformation

https://www.acep.org/corona/COVID-19/covid-19-articles/acep-aaem-joint-statement-on-physician-misinformation/

Joint Statement issued on April 27, 2020:

The American College of Emergency Physicians (ACEP) and the American Academy of Emergency Medicine (AAEM) jointly and emphatically condemn the recent opinions released by Dr. Daniel Erickson and Dr. Artin Massihi. These reckless and untested musings do not speak for medical societies and are inconsistent with current science and epidemiology regarding COVID-19. As owners of local urgent care clinics, it appears these two individuals are releasing biased, non-peer reviewed data to advance their personal financial interests without regard for the public’s health.

COVID-19 misinformation is widespread and dangerous. Members of ACEP and AAEM are first-hand witnesses to the human toll that COVID-19 is taking on our communities. ACEP and AAEM strongly advise against using any statements of Drs. Erickson and Massihi as a basis for policy and decision making.



Additional Information

While ACEP believes strongly that practicing emergency physicians have valuable insight into the COVID-19 pandemic, specialists in Immunology, Infectious Disease, and Epidemiology, including Dr. Anthony Fauci, are the most qualified at interpreting this data and making representations.

The data cited by Drs. Erickson and Massihi is extrapolated from a small population to the state of California, resulting in misleading conclusions regarding the mortality of COVID-19. Their data is flawed and represents selection bias. In order for data to be extrapolated to a population, the investigator must assure that the populations are homogeneous, and in this case they are not.

For example, it is stated in the video that in one area of California, there is a 12 percent positive test rate. That is then erroneously used to conclude that there are almost 4.7 million cases in the entire state of California. But that framing only looks at the 12 percent of people who had access to a test. California is a large, diverse state, and it is unlikely that any one area will be representative of the state at large. As testing nationally is limited, there likely is a larger pool of people who have yet to receive a test but have a high probability of having the disease or who are asymptomatic and potentially contagious. What we do know is that the number of cases in most states is growing. The same extrapolation was used in his New York example, when again, the only people tested were those who were symptomatic. Because of the limited availability of testing and the as yet unknown sensitivity and specificity of the various tests, we cannot use this data to extrapolate to larger populations.

The speaker discusses the fatality rate in New York and states that there are 19,000 deaths out of 19 million people in New York, so New York has a fatality rate of 0.1 percent. However, he is concluding a fatality rate based on the total population—both symptomatic and healthy, which is a contradiction to how he calculated the fatality rate in California. Further there are a large number of patients who have yet to recover, and many of them whom remain on life support or are likely to die.

Another concerning misuse of data include comparisons to the flu despite different methodology for calculating deaths. Comparing flu deaths and COVID-19 deaths are apples and oranges until the same methodology of calculating flu deaths is applied to COVID-19 deaths. Additionally, final flu data is calculated after the season is over. The physician in the video is comparing two months of COVID-19 data, which again at this point is incomplete. It is not scientifically valid to make a comparison to the completed six-month flu season.

There are other faulty data issues in their video, including basic scientific errors that call the conclusions into question (e.g., they call the flu and COVID-19 “DNA” viruses when COVID-19 and flu are both RNA viruses).

Most concerning for ACEP, they used their “emergency physician” titles to provide credence to their opinions. In any statement that proports to be based on science, data need to be carefully analyzed and the conclusions limited by the data source and integrity. By presenting themselves as authorities, and without fully disclosing their conflict of interest, they were misleading the public.

This is not to say that individuals should not have their own opinions, or that their opinions will not turn out to be true. Emergency physicians should speak those opinions in controversies such as this. However, in doing so, we must be careful not to overstate our qualifications, particularly when we are in domains outside of medicine. As emergency physicians, we should be all too familiar with other specialties and providers who feel qualified to practice in our domain without our level of education. Opinions vary on one’s experience; emergency physicians in New York City are likely to feel differently.

ACEP feels strongly the traction and popularity of these dangerous conclusions had the potential to lead to bad policy decisions and public health outcomes.
 
Nancy Pelosi's burn:

“He makes a big fuss about my having ice cream in my freezer — that’s his latest today, his most current today,” she told MSNBC’s Nicolle Wallace. “I have ice cream in my freezer. I guess that’s better than having Lysol in somebody’s lungs, as he was suggesting.”
:laughing: so petty but not not goona lie, I enjoyed it.

I hope the world never lets him live it down.
 
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Nancy Pelosi's burn:


:laughing: so petty but not not goona lie, I enjoyed it.

I hope the world never lets him live it down.
He's the one with a fucking gold toilet.
Barf...
 
WTF, really?
We need guns in public buildings to enforce our rights now?
The virus death count must not be satisfactory in Michigan? Will we be tabulating civilian shootings now?
I'd wager my lunch money these same people were aghast when a gunman mowed down an entire parking lot in Nevada at a music concert not too long ago, but it's ok for them to do in the state building, ehe?
People in the audience aught to not have to endure seeing gun toting assholes in the Governor's building or any other public square.

Many if these people are domestic terrorists.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1196886
 


Go back to work and die, or lose your job!

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Swedish official Anders Tegnell says 'herd immunity' in Sweden might be a few weeks away

What is Sweden's COVID-19 strategy?
Tegnell: We are trying to keep transmission rates at a level that the Stockholm health system can sustain. So far that has worked out. The health system is stressed. They are working very hard. But they have delivered health care to everybody, including those without COVID-19. That is our goal. We are not calculating herd immunity in this. With various measures, we are just trying to keep the transmission rate as low as possible. The amount of cases has been stable for the last two-to-three weeks. We believe herd immunity will of course help us in the long run, and we are discussing that, but it's not like we are actively trying to achieve it as has been made out (by the press and some scientists). If we wanted to achieve herd immunity we would have done nothing and let coronavirus run rampant through society. We are trying to keep the transmission rate as low as we can. We have taken reasonable measures without really hurting health care or schools. We are going for a sustainable strategy; something we can keep on doing for months. Coronavirus is not something that is just going to go away. Any country that believes it can keep it out (by closing borders, shuttering businesses, etc.) will most likely be proven wrong at some stage. We need to learn to live with this disease.

More info here: https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/3031536001
 
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