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Are we "owed" a partner?

Pin said:
It can be argued that prostitution is degrading because people should have sex purely because they wish to, not because they need money.
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Are you in favor of arresting poor people who confess they date rich people because they need the money?
 
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Reason With Logic Filling said:
Well its not like creating prostitution out of thin air its more like lifting a prohibition on it, like the prohibition on alcohol. The coercion would decrease if it was legalized because it could be regulated instead of continuing in its currently unregulated state. With things like bodyguards and STI tests like what they implemented in Australia the practice would be safer for both the women and their customers than in its current illegal state. Also you can have sex for money in America right now, you just have to film it.
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For the sake of argument, I was arguing that prostitution is inherently coercive.

If prostitution (filmed or not filmed) is inherently coercive then shouldn't we completely prohibit it rather than allow it? Surely, the coercion would decrease if it were legalized but how do we completely eliminate the coercive industry of prostitution?
 
Pin said:
For the sake of argument, I was arguing that prostitution is inherently coercive.

If prostitution (filmed or not filmed) is inherently coercive then shouldn't we completely prohibit it rather than allow it? Surely, the coercion would decrease if it were legalized but how do we completely eliminate the coercive industry of prostitution?
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Lol isn't all work inherently coercive? If I don't work I won't have money to pay bills and will lose my home, will be unable to attract a mate, will be thought of as a 'lazy bum' by society. I would much rather sit around accomplishing nothing all day, is it fair to make me work instead of following my dream of doing nothing?
 
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Reason With Logic Filling said:
Lol isn't all work inherently coercive?
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Good question. According to Marx, having to do any work that one doesn't want to do is oppressive.

“In communist society, where nobody has one exclusive sphere of activity but each can become accomplished in any branch he wishes, society regulates the general production and thus makes it possible for me to do one thing today and another tomorrow, to hunt in the morning, fish in the afternoon, rear cattle in the evening, criticize after dinner, just as I have a mind, without ever becoming hunter, fisherman, shepherd or critic.”
-Karl Marx
 
My point is that in places where its legal like Australia or Nevada here in the states they aren't catching the employees with butterfly nets they're willing participants. Porn and prostitution is a cheat for the men and women who go into that line of work, you do a job that many disapprove of but you make a lot of money doing it. If you ever decide to walk away from that life it might be inescapable though. That's the price you pay for getting rich quickly in this particular case.
 
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Reason With Logic Filling said:
My point is that in places where its legal like Australia or Nevada here in the states they aren't catching the employees with butterfly nets they're willing participants.
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But are they really willing participants if they're limited to a job that isn't their ideal occupation?

They may have consented to the work under duress but did they really have the means of doing more fulfilling work that they would rather do?

Would prostitutes choose to be prostitutes if they had the means to become neurosurgeons or politicians?
 
Pin said:
But are they really willing participants if they're limited to a job that isn't their ideal occupation?
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Am I a willing participant in sex if its not with Halle Berry every time?
Pin said:
They may have consented to the work but did they really have the means of doing more fulfilling work that they would rather do?
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Who said they knew what they would rather do? Perhaps someone could work as a prostitute for a year or two and collect ideas about future employment from their clients whilst building up the requisite funds to pursue whatever their true interest is.
Pin said:
Would prostitutes choose to be prostitutes if they had the means to become neurosurgeons or politicians?
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I'm not on Reddit but I once heard of an AMA that a guy who cleans septic tanks did, where he basically said that he loved his job and wouldn't work in any other profession. If there's someone in the world who's dream job is septic tank cleaner then there's someone who would love to be a prostitute, why would you bar them from their dream?
 
Reason With Logic Filling said:
Am I a willing participant in sex if its not with Halle Berry every time?
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Not if you don't want to participate in sex with Halle Berry, odd as that is.

Who said they knew what they would rather do? Perhaps someone could work as a prostitute for a year or two and collect ideas about future employment from their clients whilst building up the requisite funds to pursue whatever their true interest is.
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For the sake of argument, I'm suggesting that it is immoral to work as a prostitute, let alone work for money. If they wish to perform the work that a prostitute does, that's their decision, however should they be paid for labor that they would do for free?

I'm not on Reddit but I once heard of an AMA that a guy who cleans septic tanks did, where he basically said that he loved his job and wouldn't work in any other profession. If there's someone in the world who's dream job is septic tank cleaner then there's someone who would love to be a prostitute, why would you bar them from their dream?
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There's enjoying an activity and then there's performing an activity due to a monetary incentive. If a person enjoys cleaning septic tanks or promiscuity, why should they be paid for their labor? Why have the monetary incentive?
 
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Pin said:
Not if you don't want to participate in sex with Halle Berry, odd as that is.

For the sake of argument, I'm suggesting that it is immoral to work as a prostitute, let alone work for money. If they wish to perform the work that a prostitute does, that's their decision, however should they be paid for labor that they would do for free?

There's enjoying an activity and then there's performing an activity due to a monetary incentive. If a person enjoys cleaning septic tanks or promiscuity, why should they be paid for their labor? Why have the monetary incentive?
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Okay now you're just being silly
 
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