Type Reon....Again.

This is a bit of a compilation of all my other various typing threads on this forum and others (I'm totaling...4 or 5, I believe. For about 5 years of being in MBTI, I think that's decent.) See, since school ended, I've had a lot of time to myself which I've been using for various things and, of course, I been spending time on trying to figure out what my MBTI type is. I fully realize that I'm looking for a box. While my other forum pursuits has given me a type based on individuals who don't know me, I'd like to think that the INFJ crowd knows me quite a bit better than the individuals I asked for the simple fact they didn't....well...actually know me.

So, I'm going to basically focus on two types, INTJ and INFJ. Alas, if you think I'm a different type, tell me.

The things against me being a INTJ.

1. I can be rather emotional. I tend to like hugging, being close with select individuals, and things of that matter. Things usually consider eck to most INTJs.
2. I act in a manner that's not similar to most INTJs. I'm a bit more expressive. Based on my other thread and a person's opinion here (Adymus)
3. If I focus on a select individual, I'm actually pretty decent at understanding people and picking up on things.
4. I find long and really theoretical debates annoying and draining unless I have an interest in the subject.

Things FOR me being an INTJ

1. I believe I have Te. I can see various paths to my future and I have planned accordingly. As Fe was described to me, I don't have it. I try to make practical decisions instead of strictly emotional ones.
2. While I can be emotional, I can also be quite stoic. Also, the way I act is representative of how I feel inside. If I smile to make someone else smile, I usually do it so that I feel better, not the other person to ease my feelings.
3. I've had to generally learn most of my social skills, I used to be quite the ass.
4. It takes an extreme amount of disharmony between a group of people I care about to cause me to feel discontented with a situation.
5. As described my Vh, I don't really ...think I have the ability to sense what everyone is feeling. I'm just not affected in that way.
6. I can bury my emotion for quite a long time, if needed, although I realize this isn't generally the best course of action.
7. Going back to the disharmony thing. I generally think it is best for you to be your own person and not act under the wills of the group. I have resisted this quite frequently in my life.
8. Once I pass a certain point, I'll stand up for myself and I tend to completely cut another person down.

Things for me NOT being an INFJ

1. I don't have a innate sense of understanding of all people
2. While I can be pretty quick to point out the details of a plan, to many details and recurrent nit picking annoys me (Aimed at Ti)
3. I don't really make decision based upon a group.
4. I do have trouble expressing my emotions at times depending on the individual and I also falter to show my emotions because I'm not sure what the correct way to do it is. I often ask "Is this weird" to my friend before I do something.

Things for me being an INFJ

1. I can understand people pretty well once I have a vested interest in them.
2. I do use a bit of Ti, I can nit pick and analyze things, but no where near the level of INTPs.
3. There are times where I am overtly concerned with making sure everyone has a good time. Usually because I was the person planning the event. Sometimes it's just because it's hard to have fun when everyone else is not
4. I take a interest in the personal lives of all my close friends (Apparently some INTJs don't do this)
5. I like things that revolve around people such as Biology, chemistry, and such. I don't find purely theoretical things all that entertaining except for a few subjects (Quantum Physics for example)

That's not really a lot but I'm sure once a discussion gets going and questions get asked, more things will surface. Also. Function wise, I believe I have Ni and Se and I don't believe that I have Ne and Si. That should narrow it down to XSFP and XNXJ I believe.

Thanks in advance~

 

1. I only initiate affection rarely and only with people that I like.
2. Interesting, I've grown up around F types for the most part family wise (Mostly ISFJs and ISFPs, few scattered ESFPs and EXTJs I think) and my best friends now both online and off tend to be Fs (ISFJ, ENFP, EXFP, INTJ, ISTP, ISFP)
3.Interesting. Maybe I don't really notice emotion at the fore front of what I receive from Ni, maybe it's more that I'm able to accurately gauge competency and ability. That's just a random thought, it's 8 am and I haven't been to sleep yet so don't take it seriously.
4. Yeah...I think it's details. At the beginning of the debate I'll be interested because of the general concept being interesting and I think it can relate to other things but then after a while, I start to get bored because the details don't seem are relevant to me.

1.I think the best way to describe it is that I live primarily in the world of how things relate and as such, I can manipulate those things so that I can achieve a world that "I" want. I have to emphasize that fact, I realize that a perfect world is (nearly) impossible because people are supremely different and want different things. Anyways, I know where I want to be in about 10 years or so from now and I mold myself to be the type of person that will be where I want to be in 10 years time.
2.Mmkay
3. Oh, I perfectly understand. The only reason I'm a sociable now is because, for some odd reason, I started to care if people liked me during my junior year of high school. Being liked is useful, you just plain how more opportunities in life and it makes life quite a bit better, having friends and things to do. Before that, I honestly think I might have hated quiet a large group of people and all I wanted was to be left alone with my two other friends who felt the same.
4. I can logically figure out when disharmony is coming, as in I can tell when someone's comment might offend someone but I don't particularly go out of my way to stop it unless I feel a need too.
5. Hmm. Interesting. It's a skill I don't have.
6. Haha, that's similar to me. That's why is so important to me to make sure that I'm following my values. I have a pretty good ability to resist temptation. I know that if I follow the group, and I do something I don't want to to do, I will probably feel like crap for a very long time, I actually probably won't let it go ever.
7. I see.
8. Up until a certain point, I don't tend to care. Care enough to argue at least, once I get over that threshold I tend to get emotionally invested in my argument (Ala..how 'right' I am)

1. Hmm. I don't even think I really seek to understand 'all' people. I don't know why but I'm vividly remembering a trip I took into the city with my friend. A homeless looking person came up to us in the city and he asked for money, I completely rejected him and said I wasn't giving him money while my friend, being the person he is, gave him money without a seconds thought. I told my friend that I didn't think the person was homeless based on his clothes (Just dirty enough to be noticeable but not dirty enough for a person to be living on the streets or in a shelter) and my friend called me heartless (jokingly) and asked me if I would feel bad if, by chance, I was actually wrong. I didn't really empathize with him at all.
2. Interesting. Ti used to make my head spin back in the day.
3. I was speaking of the group's desire. INFJs are known for speaking in the royal we so I thought that implied that the INFjs truly knew what the 'group' wanted.
4. Hmm. I tend to ask "Is this weird" more in a manner to make sure that I'm not offending a person, like you. I'm a tad bit disappointed when it's a slight bit weird because I usually think through how exactly I'm going to express myself and it's somewhat like being shot down when someone says "Yeah...I'd rather that not happen to me, thx"

1. I see.
2. I lean more INTJ. Details don't matter much unless I need them. Big picture ftw.
3. Hmm. Interesting. I put a lot of logic into my emotions. For example: Let's say I'm trying to be productive at school/work or something. Being happy means that I have a better outlook on life and will try harder. To be happy, I need to hang out with my friends, I also need to post or talk about my random thoughts, and I need to make sure other projects aren't going to due at the same time. My friends might have issues to discuss, so that will take some time. Discussing issues as well will take time. Finishing up other projects will take time. And then I just keep working from there, I keep a mental schedule of the things I need to do and when I need to do it.
4. I'm glad I'm not the only one!
5. I'm very interested in psychology, history, and sociology but I never really had a thing for religious and spiritual study. Haha, I remember when I first came to the site and I was chatting with Naxx and he was discussing his theory on something philosophical. Now, don't get me wrong, I was very interested....I just really couldn't see the use in it. For example, even to this day, I don't really particularly care if you're a figment of my imagination or not. That information is not useful, it will not affect how I interact with you. Even if this IS the matrix.

Why SFs in particular, if I may ask?

 

I'm not really sure about that. INFPs are fairly expressive in themselves despite having Fi.

I'm emotionally expressive in the sense that I can express my emotions rather well (With people, in music.) I also tend to have pretty strong personal opinions once I get started talking on a subject.

Interesting never heard that before about INTJs Ni

There's always a possibility that I'm not. A long debate for INTJs tend to last for 2 hours and typically I can't really divert that much attention to something that's rather boring (to me) I usually have other things to do.
For INTJ:

I make the best logical decisions in pretty much all situation. I do what's best for me and my emotions.

Perhaps, but I present my stoicness to a anti social level!

Can't lie really, I got a really bad visceral reaction to reading that. I don't particular think that people want to make 'others' feel better depending on who you mean by others. I assumed it to be everybody else and as such, could not agree.

When I turned 16/junior year of high school

Interesting.

Hmm. I can get a pretty decent vibe myself from looking at someone's face but a understanding of body language would give you that anyway so I'm not sure if that's an pure "f" skill in me.

I can do it way longer than a day...

I tend to not care personally. If they want to force me to do something that I don't want to do then they aren't good friends.

It's extremely easy to hurt NTs, especially if you're close to them and they value your opinion.

Hmm. I think it's more about expressing myself correctly than directly caring about I look.
For INFJ:

I see

Hmm. I see.

I admit, I tend to be the leader in situations depending on who I'm with. If I'm with my ENFP friend, I'll let him guide because I don't particularly care to, if I with my bff, I'll lead because she really...just will not. I can be charismatic and convincing as well

Similar to me. I'm the best friend nobody knows.

I don't think it implies a weaker N. I just don't find it all that useful. Schrodinger's cat, while being a great thought experiment, doesn't really help me live my life. I only have so much capacity for information as well, due to my life span.

Where's the Ne if I'm an INFP? Hey! That rhymed. Anyways, I was confident of my type as first but there's no reason to be bull headed about it. I've seen quite a few INTJs, on the INTJ forum, who don't/didn't know there types.

Haha, that's probably the case. You XNFJs have been corrupting me!

Ni<Fi<Te<Se<Fe<Ne<Ti<Si
Ni<Fi<Te<Se<Ti<Fe<Ne<Si

And my random INFJ result that was in the middle of these two

Ni<Fe=Se<Fi<Te<Ti<Ne<Si

Are you joking or being serious? I've considered it. I'm not sure if I'm coordinated enough to be an XSFP. Maybe I just lack the activity that makes me want to be in the moment.

Mmkay, I think I'm going to go and make sure I understand all the functions at this point. I'm quite interested in how Fe is a judgement function (which I knew) but I also assumed it to be with people, now I see it more as a way of how things should be.

 

It's not that far off. Same functions.

 

But they are the same functions! That's like saying an INTJ and INTP are similar because they share three letters, no matter the fact that INTJ is Ni,Te,Fi,Se and INTP is Ti, Ne, Si, Fe. I think Fi, Se, Ni, Te is a lot close to Ni, Te, Fi, Se than Ti, Ne, Si, Fe.

Oddly enough, looking through the profiles that Quinlan recommended, I shared a few traits with ISFPs.

 

But seeing as both types share the same functions, I tend to think I can understand the thinking patterns of an ISFP more than I could the thinking patterns of an INTP. The types are quite a bit different, they have different priorities and skills, but because they have the same functions they should have a little bit of commonality somewhere.

I'm torn between two Ni dom types, yes, but quite a lot of people like to see themselves as a intuitive based on a bias. I don't find it to difficult to use Se, now it's not the first thing I prefer to do (Which shows that it's not a dominant/auxiliary function of mine) but I don't really find it all that taxing especially if I'm using it with another function.

Type wise, it's about preference yes. I do think that people tend to understand people better, in a mbti sense, when they share a function.