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    Hostarius Gimme that WOAD

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    I know, man. I probably missed a contextual 'lol' there, or something.
     
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    How is this okay? Not even the most ardent Trump supporter can say this is okay. I’d like to hear a good rationale for this one. If a judge allows the DOJ to take over the defense of Trump over a personal matter that has absolutely NOTHING to do with the federal gov’t or American interests whatsoever, I have no words. This is totally indefensible of this administration. Can this nightmare end please?
     
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    Not sure some here know what you're talking about.
    Some context...

    The Department of Justice has filed a motion to take over as Trump’s defense in a defamation suit brought against him by columnist E. Jean Carroll, who has alleged that Trump sexually assaulted her decades ago.
    The DOJ gives legal representation to federal employees who get sued for actions that they take within the scope of their employment, so the department is now claiming that Trump was acting “within the scope” of his job as president when he called Carroll a liar, claimed he never met her, accused her of making up the assault to sell her book, and asserted that he would not have assaulted her because “she’s not [his] type."
    There is no low too low for Bill Barr’s DOJ.
    He has turned the department into the president’s personal law firm — and stuck taxpayers with the bill.
    And the DOJ’s filing that Trump was acting in his official capacity when he denigrated E. Jean Carroll is not only legally ludicrous, it’s utterly repulsive. Trump and Barr’s corruption knows no bounds.

    We as taxpayers shouldn't have to pay the personal legal fees of rapes possibly committed by the President.
    Are we expected to pay for the settlement if there is one too?
    Sad.
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-over-trump-defense-in-e-jean-carroll-lawsuit
     
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    Thanks for the context, I was in a rush and wanted to post that story. I figured that putting the link there would be good enough.

    But yes, why should the taxpayers pay for something that his personal lawyers should handle? You know why he doesn’t want anyone to see his tax returns? It’s probably because he’s FUCKING BROKE and doesn’t want anyone to know that he is. The puzzle pieces are coming together now.
     
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    Oh, I see...I missed where you had linked the article.
    :)
    Yes...it's really getting old.
    I have nothing but pure distain for the man.
    Bill Barr should be impeached and disbarred...possibly thrown in prison.
    And yes, the Trump v Vance ruling is going to force him to disclose his finances and tax returns.
    Not only the fraudulent finances of his family "business" but his BS claims of how much he is worth.
    He definitely owes a whole lot of money to Russia and China that is going to be due here really soon.
    I wouldn't be surprised if Russia was using that as leverage to manipulate him.
    [​IMG]
    A record setting fail.


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    New drawing by Jim Carrey.

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    Because he lied.
    When all this first stated he called it a "Democratic hoax" said it would "go away on it's own by April"...refused to wear a mask and inform the public that listens to him (his followers that believe his dribble) that the virus was something to take seriously.
    Saying he didn't want to cause a panic is disingenuous...he doesn't care about causing a panic or not in regards to the American people.....the only panic he was trying to avoid was panic in regards to his precious stock market.
    He knew it was far more dangerous and deadly than he would admit to publicly and consequently his followers didn't take it seriously either or take proper precautions like wearing a mask or social distancing seriously.
    It's a deadly dereliction of duty and could have potentially spared the lives of countless people...not to mention brought the long drawn out explosion of the virus here in the US under control like every other rational country did.
     
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    A lot of voters in the state of Florida(a very important Electoral state), are immigrants from heavily socialist places like Cuba and parts of South America who come here to get away from that. Republicans have ingeniously convinced many of these voters that the Democratic party wants full-blown Communism(confusing Socialism with Communism). Thus this group of people tend to vote Republican regardless if it is in their best interest or not.

    Now, I'm neither Republican nor Democrat(me Libertarian...whoop, whoop). And I think this country should really open up to third-party options if real change is going to happen. But seriously, if I cared, I'd say that the Democrats today are more center-Right then they've ever been, and the Republicans are in an entirely new universe(borderline Fascism). Most average people who don't own a lot of stocks, property, or slaves human-capital, may be smarter to lean towards the Democrats these days[and I say it carefully with a bit of cringe...not a fan of Democrats either, but imo a smarter choice].
     
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    Still waiting for Trump to state this whole "Bible thing" is a hoax made up by libtard dems to help Sleepy Joe steal the election.
     
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    I think what frustrates me the most about all of this is that I don't understand why we are constantly having conversations about the merits of the politicians rather than the cause of the politician in the first place.

    We (hypothetically) do not live in a dystopian authoritarian government, America has voting privileges at therefore it's citizens elect the politicians.

    There seems to be a cognitive dissonance here that is directly influenced by what politics you believe. Each side believes that not only they're right, but that the other side is so awful that no one could possibly believe the things unless they were fundamentally evil.

    I don't see how this is constructive. I know I harp about this again and again but I don't understand why so many intelligent people fall prey to this polarization. I really don't understand.

    There are hundreds of posts being critical of trump, often emotionally fueled, without ever addressing the actual underlying cause.

    Trump is a symbol of something greater. People voted for trump. I think people are upset to realize that their vision of what they think other Americans believe and want and care about is wrong.

    And then all of these assumptions are made about why people voted for trump that, again, amount to character assassination with no actual depth or intellectual honest given as to non derogatory reasons why people may have voted for trump.

    Why do you guys want to live in this world where there is no nuance, where we have one bad guy to defeat instead of a culture of a nation that has to be addressed that might actually be stemming from legitimate concerns of people who are ordinary, non evil people? Is it because it's easier and makes you feel better? Is there some inability to see what I'm talking about, like black and white thinking that makes it just impossible to have an understanding of the root causes of this?

    You cannot solve a problem without addressing the root. You just can't. It's like dandelions; if you just pull them from the ground they will grow back. You have to get a hand shovel and dig to the root and pull it up and it will not grow back again. But I see such superficiality in these conversations. For those of you who consider yourself such intuitives, this discourse is constantly disappointing. There are never new angles. There is never curious thoughtful analysis of American culture and why the American people want trump to win. It is mostly vitriol and slamming the side you don't agree with.

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    @slant I mostly agree with you. I’ve been typing up an article about the root causes behind why Trump won and being the perfectionist that I am, it’s taking me awhile to finish. It’s basically an analysis of populism and the resulting democratic backsliding. Also, how K-12 public education is failing to teach us critical thinking skills so we all don’t fall victim to propaganda and conspiracies.
     
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    This sounds amazing
     
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    I hope it will be. I did forget to add that people that support Trump do not always do so in good faith. There are so many of them that are trying to win a culture war at any cost. I believe this article here best explains about how I feel about those Trump supporters that come in bad faith.
     
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    If Trump wins again abortion is over: Roe v Wade will be gone.
     
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    4 years ago I found it incomprehensible how Trump got elected. Hillary was such an obvious choice and yet she lost somehow, creating shock-waves around the world. The media and analysts did not provide any good answers - maybe it were russian bots who brainwashed people through social networks, or maybe only the stupid / uneducated / ignorant have voted for him. That was not very convincing as I've personally known some intelligent people who have voted for Trump. So I've felt curious to explore the topic myself.

    Long story short, now I believe that the single most important issue that enabled Trump to come to power was (and still is) the rise of far left. All the other factors - climate change, racism, healthcare, foreign wars, social networks - these are just noise in the system. The right has properly distanced itself from the far-right (the actual nazis) after the WW2, but the left had failed to deal with the equivalent threat from the far-left (mostly communists). The price they had paid was that this fringe ideology has slowly consumed it from within and the legitimate left is now nearly extinct. If you manage to solve this somehow, the Trump problem will go away by itself.

    It's not a unique problem for US only. The left is on retreat everywhere across the western world. Even socialist strongholds in Scandinavia are loosing support and might tip in the next decade.

    Quite astonishingly, if I were to vote in US elections now, it would be definitely for Trump. Because team Biden has nothing of value to offer. They stand for nothing in particular except for a vague idea of a socialist revolution. Just like "the mostly peaceful" protesters who do not have any rational demands and do not know what the fuck they are doing. Strangely (and quite stupidly) they are rioting exclusively in democrat run cities which have the most diverse governance and police force. So the republican cities will take note that better vote red unless they want the same mayhem happening there too. And the residents of blue cities will become fed up with the incompetence of their leaders - enough to switch their vote. In essence, the more there will be protests, the higher will be support for Trump.

    Don't get me wrong, I do not like Trump and I wish that a more competent leader would take his place. But Biden is such an appalling choice that it's better to maintain the status quo imo. And the independents are a joke mostly.
     
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    While I do agree that the extremism of the far-left in the U.S. is appalling, they are mostly driving social issues. People don't seem to have a clue what socialism would look like, because we're so far removed from it. The left thinks that socializing health care would solve all our problems, but the right thinks that anything that isn't privatized automatically makes us a communist regime... I guess every place in the world without privatized healthcare must be just like China!

    The notion that the left are solely responsible for protest/riot violence is bullshit. What about the last decade of supremacist violence/protest in cities like Portland? Which side is bringing the assault rifles to rallies? It's all glossed over like it never happened, and all the focus is on the BLM/antifa shit, esp since it's an election year and more topical.

    I would have agreed that the right had distanced themselves from Nazism until George W was elected. I had a lot of respect for the Republican party until they shed their libertarian ideals, and executive power abuse (or threats of this) is becoming the norm. We literally have a president who says he wants to silence the media. If he were more competent, I'd be worried, but instead, he declares emergencies to build infeasible border walls between us and neighboring countries.

    Biden will essentially run a platform somewhere near the center, but I don't know what that will look like.
     
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    With him aboard the systemic racism narrative, don't see it happening. To be more precise, I suspect he just repeats what he's been told without really considering it. That's why I said that he stands for nothing - like a chameleon changing colour to adapt the environment. One week he fully supports the protests and do not see any problem with them, another he condemns the violence and promises order, yet another it's now all Trump's fault for some reason...
     
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