The irony of Prisons

Or, just make the prisoners work for their upkeep?

 

The jail system is already thought of as a business, it grows and grows because people make money, and I believe that comes from taxpayers?

I think right now they like to get the prisons as jam-packed as possible because they get more money.

I don't have any hard facts on this because I am too lazy to research right now, but please if you have some insight on this, share it!

 

Yeah, but that creates jobs for folks who aren't incarcerated and they in turn pump that money back into the economy. I thought your point here was that it was the prisoners that are getting the free ride?

 

Free education too, Con College.

 

It wouldn't work to have death sentences for prisoners who are on life sentences, because you'd inforce such heavy punishments that they'd have contraproductive effects.

If delinquency is punished very heavily, crime increases.

I thought, fuck my post count.
Btw, this might be a cool thing:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panopticon

I think it uses as little guards as possible, the prisoners work and they're under constant surveillance.

 

Prisons are outdated system, used when people didn't have ANY idea what the hell is going on in each other's minds, so they just used swords, guns, and dungeons, when there was a "problem". Even though prisoners are alive in prison, it's still just useless torturing of human beings, which rarely helps them. Moreover, it's a human "social disease center", to put it so, where anybody could be thrown by bad luck, and then would be hard to readjust to normal. Same applies to madhouses. I think the percentage of people getting out of prisons and madhouses being "better" is so low, that they might as well just kill everybody who has the tough luck to get there. /i don't mean it, just being sarcastic/

I've noticed that some of the socially/technically advanced nations already aim towards using other rehabilitations: criminals get to meet with their victims, and that helps both sides eventually (we are humans, after all); also patients who report mental difficulties are not rushed into hospitals, but are consulted personally (which doesn't mean "mark them with 3- or 4-letter disease and give them debilitating meds").

 

We have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world, and we hold a good chunk of the world's prisoners. I think decriminalizing drug offenses (ie, possession) for a user would be a good start. That would cut down on some costs. I agree, more work programs would be a good idea, just I'm unsure what programs could be used to generate a decent amount of revenue for the prison (thus requiring fewer taxpayer dollars).

However, I don't think murdering a murderer is a good excuse to save money...I personally can't support the death penalty (especially for economic gain) in good conscious.

 

Prisons still have a function, it scares people and makes them not commit crime, they make sure delinquents won't do anything bad while they're in prison, ...

And there is NOTHING sure when it comes to social sciences, so there'll probably never be a method that works for everyone.
And rehibilitation works only in a few cases, you wouldn't be able to apply to every crime.
And it wouldn't scare people (and thus preventing them to commit crime) like prisons.

 

As far as working for their unkeep goes, I was under the impression that most prisoners did work, although that may just be the state that I'm from. An immediate family member of mine has been in and out of prison, and everywhere he has been incarcerated, he has had some kind of job. He spent most of his time as a chef and around the kitchen, but he's also worked as an electrician and helped to build bridges.

He also spent a year in something I forgot the name for, but it was like being in prison, except that he could leave during the day to go to work.


Is it worth it to you, or would you rather see your money going elsewhere?

I definitely believe the prison system is necessary because fear can be a great motivator to prevent certain activities from occurring. It doesn't work for everyone, but it does for many.

There are certain aspects of prison regarding the way money is spent that I don't like and that I think should be regulated better. For example, I think money spent on televisions and screening films is ridiculous. Why are we paying to entertain convicts?

Would you be okay with it if the government took steps towards making it less pricey, like death sentencing murders and such?

Execution can actually be more expensive than simply housing a prisoner condemned to the death sentence. To actually save money by doing this, we would have to adopt a much less humane method of execution, and I have no idea how I feel about that.

Would you support legalization of drugs if it were for a economical reason?

No. I think that fear of going to prison keeps people of certain personality types from using/trafficking/selling them, and it's my personal belief that that's a good thing. Some people just don't know when to stop, and that combined with the consolence that there is nothing "wrong" with using drugs can really screw you over. If it's going to ruin someone's life, it isn't worth it.

 

The death sentnce is more expensive IIRC.

I would support the legalization of drugs, especially pot, for economic reasons. I think we should legalize it and tax the hell out of it.

 

Fear is the main reason why all crimes are committed, in the first place.


"[...] if you have to prepare for war, then you are in a state where you cannot abolish war." - Albert Einstein

 

false. Poverty is the reason most crimes are commited

 

I agree. I see fear related to poverty though. I don't think they commit the crimes because they are poor, but rather because they are afraid of being poor, and continuing to become more impoverished.

 

Yeah, that and poverty, lack of education, opportunity, psychological disturbance, social conditioning, etc. I think its a far cry to say that crime has just one "main reason," if my sociological education has anything to say about it.

What I'm interested in seeing is if anyone has read a study about whether harsher punishment has any effect whatsoever on the levels of crime in the relative absence of poverty and social glorification of criminal activity. (Do not misinterpret and make false assumptions about why I am inquiring about this). Anyone have articles that deal with similar studies?

 

I could see fear as a motivator behind all of those reasons. However, there are definitely more than one emotional motivator for 'crime'.

 

But if they didn't fear anything they wouldn't have been stealing, "they" meaning the poor people.

Ergo I iz smart