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a while ago i watched an interesting documentary on prostitution from the perspective of prostitutes who chose to be prostitutes. at first i was uncomfortable with it because sometimes i have considered prostitution to be a sort of institutionalised rape but i realised that the prostitutes resented being treated as this amorphous mass of victims. they saw themselves as helping society to function by providing an escape valve for all those dark urges that society refuses to recognise. but anyway thats kind of separate issues.
i was very interested by something one of the prostitutes said. she was talking about her "clients" and how one man asked her to urinate on him while they were engaged in intercourse. she asked him why he wanted her to do that and he said, "because when a woman urinates is the only time you know she is not lying. when she talks to you she is lying, and when she has an orgasm with you she is lying, but when she urinates you know that she is not lying about it." the interviewer asked her what she thought of the man. "he is lost", she said. she said it with absolutely no judgment and i doubt she even believes in judgment. i thought a lot afterwards about what she said and i realised with some sadness that i believed in the truth of what she said. he was lost.
i was very interested by something one of the prostitutes said. she was talking about her "clients" and how one man asked her to urinate on him while they were engaged in intercourse. she asked him why he wanted her to do that and he said, "because when a woman urinates is the only time you know she is not lying. when she talks to you she is lying, and when she has an orgasm with you she is lying, but when she urinates you know that she is not lying about it." the interviewer asked her what she thought of the man. "he is lost", she said. she said it with absolutely no judgment and i doubt she even believes in judgment. i thought a lot afterwards about what she said and i realised with some sadness that i believed in the truth of what she said. he was lost.
You asked me in a previous post to give an example of you hating homosexuals and I quoted (and bolded) you, which I will do again:
"If hate means "to passionately or intensely dislike someone or something.", than yes, I do hate homosexuality. I'm a Christian, and I think homosexuality is sin. We are commanded in Bible to hate sin, but love the siners. So yes, I do hate homosexuality. But I have nothing against gay people. They are responsible for their values, decisions and lifes."
And I wrote under that:
"^^^ News Flash: Gay people are homosexuals. Therefore...".
The only "question" you asked in the post responding to this was:
"Therefore WHAT? SAY it, say what's on your mind!, so I can reply to you and end this non-sense.
I'm tired of your accusations, and reading beetwen lines words or affirmations that don't belong to me."
I was surprised that you asked "therefore WHAT?" Because it was clear. I thought maybe a language barrier thing? Wasn't sure. That is why I didn't respond. I would love to continue arguing with you just as much as I would like to continually slam my head up against a brick wall over and over again. Both would have the same effect...headache. And you did compare homosexuality to bestiality. That is horrible and hateful.
Jesus just called, Lucy Jr. He says he does NOT approve.
Plus, it is quite obvious to me that you were getting all worked up over this. Another reason I didn't respond. I didn't mind debating with you but my intention was not to get you upset. So I let it pass thinking you would cool off. But you obviously didn't. Must be a feeler thing? Don't know.
And reply to you as if things are okay? No, I replied because you asked another silly question that had a very simple answer.
And for the record, thumbs down make me smile. Thanks! I needed that.
I don't have the style of thinking what people imply when they say "therefore...". Those points aren't helping me.
That's why, if you are a honest person, whith dignity, you would openly say to me exactly what is behind those points. I want it to be clear, not with ambiguities.
I agree.
No. I don't like people that are working with ambiguos hints and nasty implies, whithout ever actually voice them. You never know where you stand with them. Its always better to be clear and honest. This is what I'm asking from you, honesty, not three points.
Ok.
Ok.
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And for the record, to be VERY CLEAR, I find your "hate the sin, lover the sinner" line to be a crock of shit. It's like saying, "oh sure, I love you guys. It's just your disgusting, sinful ways I can't stand." It's deceitful.
You can continue to say it, but I'm going to continue to see through it.
And for the record, to be VERY CLEAR, I find your "hate the sin, lover the sinner" line to be a crock of shit. It's like saying, "oh sure, I love you guys. It's just your disgusting, sinful ways I can't stand." It's deceitful.
You can continue to say it, but I'm going to continue to see through it.
Finaly, you decided to do it. See, its better know. We can talk clearly, not debate three points.
I know homosexuality as a practice is sin. Sin is evil, and as a Christian I can not agree with sin.
But still as a Christian, I am commanded to love people, and that includes gay also.
I don't truly love people, but I am into that direction, and I'm fighting to get there, because I know its the the right thing to do.
If you see a contradiction in my position and what I do, so be it. I can only hope that in the future you will understand there is no contradiction.
Have you ever considered that because of conformity, and the stress of people like you, that it takes a person who cares less about conformity and norms to be an open homosexual, and thereby things will be statistically weighted as such?
Have you ever considered that this sort of thing happens because people like you are driving it to happen?
You should raise the question to yourself, because you are the one who judges things by conformity or lack of it. Things like this happen because of people like you.
You are impossibly ignorant. I don't like you anymore.
I'll take my infraction or whatever happens now.
Man, I am the ignorant one?
You and others like you have only two lenses, kind of like binary stuffs: conformity vs lack of conformity, old vs new, traditional vs non traditional, conservative vs liberal, tolerance vs intolerance...and the line could go on. Its a two way street. Either your in the "old" side, either you are in the "new, eye opening" side.
I'm sory, I don't judge things by this very "efficient" perspective. This is what you are doing, so don't put me into your category, because you can only see two options.
Yeah, go ahead and cherry pick that vague line to try and save face. SQUIRM! SQUIRM FOR ME! Squirm and suffer!
Sprinkles, you can be so funny sometimes
)))))What should I understand from this?
Its hilarious. It makes me laugh
)). And especially this:)))))))I said this:
Because most ideas of adopted by their consistency, but by the very "profound" reasoning of "old vs new".
And you said this:
Exactly the same reasoning, conformity or a lack of it. Funny that you accuse me of this, while contradicting yourself.
And I answer to you, for me its not about that. I don't try to hold to some kind of tradition here, or oppose to something new.