Schizosexuality

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Sex has been bifurcated from other experience, and the sexual organs have been divided from the holistic body. Sex has become a defined act, instead of a natural and fluid extension of the playfulness of human interaction and the hedonistic tendency.

That we are either having sex or not having sex is a symptom of pathology: eroticism would, in a more natural state, imbue all of experience-- riding upon the psychobiological mechanisms of intercourse here, chasing and killing prey there.

Not today. Our bodily sensations, our societal structures and our entire attitude towards experience have become worn and cracked. Chasms divide the world of work and the world of sex and the world of family and the...

I wish that people understood this! Life can be the eroticism that is now pathologically and unsatisfactorily confined within the association of hyper-expectation and expression of bodily tension (resulting from compression) and schiz'd bodily understandings that is sex.

If only we could deny the existence of sex. Our lives would be so much more subtly beautiful, and we would have less excuse for enduring the ugliness that we now endure in its name. As if the frenetic and frenzied play-acting in a theater of madmen that usually passes for sex were consolation for the self-abasement we endure to be attractive by our sick societies' standards.

The bifurcation of eroticism from life in its entirety... a tragedy.


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I've read this about five or six times now, the only words I can summon are I disgree. I wish I could say more but I just don't have the words at the moment. I'll post again if I find them.
 
Lyra said:
Sex has been bifurcated from other experience, and the sexual organs have been divided from the holistic body. Sex has become a defined act, instead of a natural and fluid extension of the playfulness of human interaction and the hedonistic tendency...
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This is exactly what pornography does and why it is unhealthy (among other reasons).
 
I think there is a lot of truth to the OP's statement.

When I took a course in Human Sexuality one of the interesting statements that caught my attention was that humans never actually stop having sex. We tend to have a very narrow definition of sex and try to restrict it to a physical component of interaction almost to the point of reducing it to a biological function, but at the same time we intuitively understand what sex is in the bigger picture and we try to respect the emotional, mental, and spiritual components while never really understanding their role in this purely physical act that we have arbitrarily defined.

If I were to define sex as it actually exists in the world, then I would say that sex is the exchange of energy between living organisms. Sex, in essence, is simply taking a part of yourself and exchanging it for a part of someone else. Communication could be said to be sex, as we utilize words that can change how people think and feel and likewise they utilize words that can have the same affect. The energy you put into the words becomes the energy that changes how another person is experiencing the world and the other person puts energy into words that changes how you experience the world. Playful banter and flirting are even more refined in this sense, as they transmit desire, which can then be either reciprocated or denied.

The expression of affection could be said to be sex. When a mother hugs her upset child she is utilizing her energy in an attempt to change how that child is experiencing the world. She shares her warmth, both emotional and physical, with her child in a way that may change how he may think or feel. Cuddling is an ultimate expression of comfort, trust, and appreciation between partners and is rife with sex.

Spirituality, in the sense of seeking personal growth through exploration of one's place and purpose in the world, is sex in one particularly important way. That way is compatibility. Compatibility is the highest spiritual expression of sex. The interests, ideas, beliefs, values, etc. that individuals may share in common with one another are the basis by which all people choose their friends and lovers. The soul mate is the ultimate expression of compatibility.

So when you get down to the physical act of sex it is an organic expressoin of communication, affection, and compatibility. Physical sex without communication, affection, or compatibility can be such an empty experience that it might not even be considered sex at all. Sex is all about the exchange of energy and the many different levels on which that exchange can occur.
 
Absolutely agree with OP. Fortunately, there are still human beings on the planet, who have never recognized the culturally induced prisons of beauty and shame. And do not recognize the organs involved in the reproductive process as sacred.

We will realize at some point that all body systems are alright; there are no sacred, lower, higher or private body systems, unless our culture is FULL of fear, pride, and ridicule, about it. The western culture still places overly special importance on reproductive organs, glorifying and mystifying them. What they don't realize is that they could be as ashamed of a bare female hand, in case all women were covered as in some Muslim countries. This is just an example, I have no problem with such cultures, or even our culture, I'm just saying that it actually doesn't matter, and we are still so obsessed with it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturism

Also, in some countries, there is much more free attitude to naked body and to sexual activity, and it leads to reduced stress and reduced conflicts between people. Because they are not full of fear and dissatisfaction and unhealthy obsessions.

The separation of some body parts has evolved with the approaching of the Ice Age (probably), when these parts had to be covered first, because they are more vulnerable, and they sustain the species. Another factor is the gradual realization that sexual activity is related to birth and children; something that was initially unclear. Anyway, the body covering was raising curiosity, so then it became a market strategy between families. Once it was put economic value, humanity gradually has lost its own sense of freedom, in regard to (sexual) pleasures. And this rose to the obsessive status it has today.

It has further social implications, such as curiosity and distrust, which have evolved to multiple illnesses of how people communicate in general, not just sexually.
 
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Satya said:
I think there is a lot of truth to the OP's statement.

When I took a course in Human Sexuality one of the interesting statements that caught my attention was that humans never actually stop having sex. We tend to have a very narrow definition of sex and try to restrict it to a physical component of interaction almost to the point of reducing it to a biological function, but at the same time we intuitively understand what sex is in the bigger picture and we try to respect the emotional, mental, and spiritual components while never really understanding their role in this purely physical act that we have arbitrarily defined.

If I were to define sex as it actually exists in the world, then I would say that sex is the exchange of energy between living organisms. Sex, in essence, is simply taking a part of yourself and exchanging it for a part of someone else. Communication could be said to be sex, as we utilize words that can change how people think and feel and likewise they utilize words that can have the same affect. The energy you put into the words becomes the energy that changes how another person is experiencing the world and the other person puts energy into words that changes how you experience the world. Playful banter and flirting are even more refined in this sense, as they transmit desire, which can then be either reciprocated or denied.

The expression of affection could be said to be sex. When a mother hugs her upset child she is utilizing her energy in an attempt to change how that child is experiencing the world. She shares her warmth, both emotional and physical, with her child in a way that may change how he may think or feel. Cuddling is an ultimate expression of comfort, trust, and appreciation between partners and is rife with sex.

Spirituality, in the sense of seeking personal growth through exploration of one's place and purpose in the world, is sex in one particularly important way. That way is compatibility. Compatibility is the highest spiritual expression of sex. The interests, ideas, beliefs, values, etc. that individuals may share in common with one another are the basis by which all people choose their friends and lovers. The soul mate is the ultimate expression of compatibility.

So when you get down to the physical act of sex it is an organic expressoin of communication, affection, and compatibility. Physical sex without communication, affection, or compatibility can be such an empty experience that it might not even be considered sex at all. Sex is all about the exchange of energy and the many different levels on which that exchange can occur.
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Wow, that's such a great post it should have footnotes and ciations! You've really explained a complicated point in a way that's easy to grasp. That is not an easy thing to do. Thanks for this interesting look at sex!

Actually, I'm talking about the same thing you just said in this poem: http://forum.infjs.com/showthread.php?t=5548
 
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I never realized it until Satya said that...but I've had sex with almost everyone here.
 
mf said:
I never realized it until Satya said that...but I've had sex with almost everyone here.
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You had me at "sex"......*tears up*

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Satya said:
If I were to define sex as it actually exists in the world, then I would say that sex is the exchange of energy between living organisms.
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Shouldn't there be another word for the concept you're describing? I'd prefer to retain a concise, specific term other than "fucking."
 
Lyra said:
Sex has been bifurcated from other experience, and the sexual organs have been divided from the holistic body. Sex has become a defined act, instead of a natural and fluid extension of the playfulness of human interaction and the hedonistic tendency.

That we are either having sex or not having sex is a symptom of pathology: eroticism would, in a more natural state, imbue all of experience-- riding upon the psychobiological mechanisms of intercourse here, chasing and killing prey there.

Not today. Our bodily sensations, our societal structures and our entire attitude towards experience have become worn and cracked. Chasms divide the world of work and the world of sex and the world of family and the...

I wish that people understood this! Life can be the eroticism that is now pathologically and unsatisfactorily confined within the association of hyper-expectation and expression of bodily tension (resulting from compression) and schiz'd bodily understandings that is sex.

If only we could deny the existence of sex. Our lives would be so much more subtly beautiful, and we would have less excuse for enduring the ugliness that we now endure in its name. As if the frenetic and frenzied play-acting in a theater of madmen that usually passes for sex were consolation for the self-abasement we endure to be attractive by our sick societies' standards.

The bifurcation of eroticism from life in its entirety... a tragedy.


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I'm afraid that I'm not understanding your post. Are you stating that 'sex' is basically the interaction between two individuals and/or the self or that sex is a natural aspect of life and we have simply broken down the concept of 'sex' into one physical act and have given it so much value that it confuses our natural view of what sex is?
 
TheLastMohican said:
Shouldn't there be another word for the concept you're describing? I'd prefer to retain a concise, specific term other than "fucking."
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There probably could be but I don't really think there has to be. Thinking of sex in broader terms, not just as what happens in the bedroom but in many of the interpersonal interactions we have each day on the mental, emotional, and spiritual levels is simply a challenge to perception. It offends the sensibilities to imagine that a simple "hello" can be a sexual act because we like to think that we can turn on and off our sexual nature when dealing with certain people and circumstances. The reality is that every person is a sexual being and does not cease being one just because they are in a situation they would not perceive as sexual or arousing. We are animals and by our very nature we are driven by the instincts to survive, interact, and fuck. Interaction exists for the purpose of increasing our chances to survive and to fuck. When we interact we communicate, show affection, and seek compatibility. All those interactions are inherently aimed toward finding a suitable sexual partner even if we aren't aware of it.
 
Satya said:
There probably could be but I don't really think there has to be. Thinking of sex in broader terms, not just as what happens in the bedroom but in many of the interpersonal interactions we have each day on the mental, emotional, and spiritual levels is simply a challenge to perception.
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I think it is all part of the same mental/emotional web, but sex does warrant a separate physical definition. It's how babies are made, and how surges of oxytocin are produced. It's the basis of romantic love, which entails quite remarkable mood swings and hormonal influences that do not come into play with most other human interactions. Blurring the lines like this really makes the term useless, in my opinion, and leaves a big gap in our language.
 
TheLastMohican said:
I think it is all part of the same mental/emotional web, but sex does warrant a separate physical definition. It's how babies are made, and how surges of oxytocin are produced. It's the basis of romantic love, which entails quite remarkable mood swings and hormonal influences that do not come into play with most other human interactions. Blurring the lines like this really makes the term useless, in my opinion, and leaves a big gap in our language.
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True. I'm not advocating a change in Webster's definition, just a broadening of perspective.
 
I've successfully defended Webster's against the onslaught of sex-crazed liberal hippies, then. Call James Dobson.
 
I'm afraid that I'm not understanding your post. Are you stating that 'sex' is basically the interaction between two individuals and/or the self or that sex is a natural aspect of life and we have simply broken down the concept of 'sex' into one physical act and have given it so much value that it confuses our natural view of what sex is?
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None of the above. I don't mean to sound uncooperative, but I meant exactly what I said. Changing the structure of the expression would void the meaning of the message, as the two are inseparable; thus, I'm not inclined to rephrase.

This is exactly what pornography does and why it is unhealthy
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Agreed.

Absolutely agree with OP. Fortunately, there are still human beings on the planet, who have never recognized the culturally induced prisons of beauty and shame. And do not recognize the organs involved in the reproductive process as sacred.
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I really appreciated your post; I hadn't considered that aspect, or that time-scale, before.
 
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Lyra said:
None of the above. I don't mean to sound uncooperative, but I meant exactly what I said. Changing the structure of the expression would void the meaning of the message, as the two are inseparable; thus, I'm not inclined to rephrase.
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I don't believe I have a complete understanding of what you posted (or perhaps the point) and as such, I will politely refrain from posting in this topic until a later time in which I will review your statements.
 
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