It’s the way you go about doing that that is turning people off to talking to you.
Just FYI.
It’s more like being pounced on by you.
[PAX] My Idiot President
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It’s the way you go about doing that that is turning people off to talking to you.
Just FYI.
It’s more like being pounced on by you.
please don't use NLP anchoring to make me sound like a predator
i'm simply having a conversation with people and we don't have to agree on everything
everyone is allowed their own opinions
I'm just seeking more understanding about why people hold their opinions. This could be beneficial for them as much as it is for me
Yeah, well don’t fucking listen to me then.
(If you thought “predator” then idk what to tell you)
You don’t have to listen...you certainly haven’t thus far and that is the issue not just with me.
What's with being incredibly dismissive, why is that?
You don’t see how you are making the claim that only your facts and opinions count in the vast majority of your postings...how you dismiss the legit opinions, certain facts, and have labeled everyone as this or that?
You ask for proof that is so readily available you should have no issue finding it for yourself, to keep asking others to prove this or that is frankly very time consuming to go over every one of the points you with to contend with that you are convinced are this certain way, not that.
You ask questions yes, but then you start in with what you think is wrong with it, and humor is great, but laughing at someone else’s political views usually just irritates them, it does not ingratiate them.
NLP...yes, I’m manipulating everyone with my secret hidden programming to make you sound like a pred.
lol
"everyone is allowed their own opinions” you say?
Reeeally?
Don’t look at this as me putting words in your mouth...just extrapolating what seems to be going on so far.
You should rephrase that - “Everyone is allowed their opinions which I (out of everyone on the forum) will immediately give my unsolicited criticisms of, challenging your statements only to ignore the responses and/or facts that back up said statement, laughing at you as only I know what’s really going on and telling you in a passive aggressive way that you are ignorant...when this is pointed out, I just then play the victim....(I was only doing this *insert innocent thing*)."
you are still attacking me and not the message; its character assassination and its pretty much out of saul alinskys copy book
RULE 12: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and
polarize it.”
Cut off the support network and isolate the target
from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt
faster than institutions. (This is cruel, but very effective. Direct,
personalized criticism and ridicule works.)
Oh wow...lol
Le sigh...
Never read that book.
You are pulling shit out of thin air (which I’m sure is me attacking you too).
You still didn’t seem to get it and still don’t or are in denial so I tried to explain it more in-depth for you.
Go shove your “character assassination” BS dude...I can say the same when you blatantly disregard everything I ( and everyone else) say in response to your wacky questions when you come back telling us how wrong we all are on a constant basis.
I told you over and over in this thread and the other that you should stop asking me questions because you won’t like my answers.
But you still do...over and over.
And you don’t like them.
So just stop.
stop speaking for everyone else
i see no label under your avatar that says 'forum spokesman' so let other people decide for themselves what questions they think are valid or not
stop trying to give people cues for how they should think and feel towards me
ok but as a role model people look to you so just have a care
if you look at the points i'm making which ones are incorrect or unfair when you break it all down?
We are free to post our opinions within the bounds of civility as determined by those who have volunteered to moderate them.
Anyone who looks up to me already knows where I stand because I make myself very clear in that regard...that is there choice to listen to me based on the interaction I have had with that particular person and you have no clue how much I care about those people do you?
Those people know if I have integrity or not, so they will listen or not.
Man...if you really want...and I don’t know why as I don’t have the time really...(after I meditate, sometime this evening)
But...we can go to PM land...so you don’t think that I am saying anything to influence anyone else on the forum.
And I will attempt to answer your questions in as honest and non-sarcastic a way possible.
But this is not a debate.
Take my answers for what they are...if you disagree, please bite your tongue and ask me to elaborate on what you disagree with instead of telling me why I’m wrong - understand what I mean now?
Otherwise I suggest we end our conversation in this thread as it has now gotten to the end of the rope.
Let me know.
there seems to be a shutter that comes down on certain issues surrounding the left
i've tried to probe that shutter in a few different threads but people clam up
what's happening in society when people can't speak freely?
is that just paranoia or am i onto something?
I’m not clamming up...you got upset when I spoke freely saying I was trying to influence the forum against you so I offered to take it to PM land.
Now don’t post this making it sound as if I am unwilling to make myself known.
Jesus dude, what?
The offer still stands.
@kinglear When you frame the inquiries around the notion that those who wish to reinforce the social fabric of our societies with socialistic structures as being in the thrall of a political system bent on the violent suppression of the human spirit you are bound to get a lackluster response.
If you want to PM where you stand on the 6 issues i;d be intrigued to know for my own interest
it all helps inform my own understanding of the political landscape but if its not public it doesn't help others inform themselves of the political landscape
Edit:
i just saw this! lol
ok maybe i need to reframe the six points!
i guess that would really get to the nub of how we can best preserve individual freedoms while realising that we owe a sense of responsibility to those around us?
if you collectivise things too much then the individual is completely steamrolled
I think INFJ's tend to be highly individual so this would become an ever more imprisoning experience of having to whittle ourselves down until there is nothing left but basic motor functions carrying out the dictats of the rulers
sound fun?
but going back to some people wanting societies with more socialistic structures the point about communism is that it won't allow it. It believes in one global society with no autonomy among different societies
in fact to what extent are certain foreign wars just a bashing into submission of countries that still exhibit certain amounts of autonomy from the global community (for want of a better word)?
So if i'm not mistaken there are a lot of black people living in chicago and i saw this article today about how chicagos mayor rahm emmanuel is putting together a task force that will look at creating universal basic income (see article here https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018...rce-looks-implementing-universal-basic-income )
so the first time i heard of UBI i thought it sounded like a great idea but since then i've learned about some problems with it
So the concept is that when there is mass unemployment (and this is becoming an increasing risk due to automation) the government gives every man and women a sum of money every week to live on. the idea is that this then ends poverty
Great on the surface so why then do some socialists think this is a bad idea? (i say this after reading an article critical of it on a socialist website EDIT see my next post for article)
Part of the problem is that it encourages government dependency so that people become serfs of the state which is of course what the communists want
So lets go back to why there are so many black voters who always vote democrat. I heard recently that NAACP was created to be pro-left and to encourage black voters to vote democrat but do the democrats just want to make black people completely dependent on the state and wouldn't that enslave them to the state because then they couldn't disagree and bite the hand that feeds them?
so the first time i heard of UBI i thought it sounded like a great idea but since then i've learned about some problems with it
So the concept is that when there is mass unemployment (and this is becoming an increasing risk due to automation) the government gives every man and women a sum of money every week to live on. the idea is that this then ends poverty
Great on the surface so why then do some socialists think this is a bad idea? (i say this after reading an article critical of it on a socialist website EDIT see my next post for article)
Part of the problem is that it encourages government dependency so that people become serfs of the state which is of course what the communists want
So lets go back to why there are so many black voters who always vote democrat. I heard recently that NAACP was created to be pro-left and to encourage black voters to vote democrat but do the democrats just want to make black people completely dependent on the state and wouldn't that enslave them to the state because then they couldn't disagree and bite the hand that feeds them?
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