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    I couldn't agree with anything you said any more than I do right now. Take care
     
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    I read what you said like this saying from the Buddha - a lot of your posts have this wisdom buried in them in many different ways. Like @Milktoast Bandit I was thinking how true as I read through it. Especially when times are bad, taking a day at a time is what has been best for me, otherwise I can freeze in the headlights.

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    I'm not very good at loosening my grip though. It isn't easy to let go - it can feel like a betrayal, or a defeat as much as a liberation. All those fears and wants and oughts …... a simple act of will isn't enough *sigh*

    On the other hand, we can go a long way by laughing at the tangle we get ourselves into - the hours when I used to lie awake at night when I was still at work worrying about stuff that's been forgotten now for 10, 20, 30 years. Ridiculous waste of time - laugher is the only sensible response.



     
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    Yes! All religions that are "legitimate" have this idea of not so much eliminating suffering completely, but suffering correctly. Experiencing the pain but not attaching yourself or clinging to it and making it your identity. A lot of suffering comes from having expectations of how things should be and being hurt when things don't pan out that way. This leads to negative thought patterns like, "nothing ever works out for me" etc. It's just clinging how we feel things should be. Our will. Desire nothing and have it all! I love you guys!
     
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    Thanks everyone!
    I totally agree with your own responses.

    Ah, the sufferings of desire!
    What a fun mental tripwire, lol.

    Yes, to both of you...it is taking it one day at a time...or even one moment.
    And yes...suffering correctly or suffering well - I suppose would be a good way to put it.
    Which in turn helps ease that suffering...it's just very often masked as or interpreted as something to avoid by our brains at all cost in some cases.
    The idea the you must put out the doormat to pain or suffering is difficult for us as humans to do.
    It's again, like overriding a master-program.

    I don't find expecting parts of the future to turn out negative to be a pessimistic viewpoint...one always hopes for the best of course.
    You don't buy a lotto ticket hoping to lose.
    When I do lose though, it's worth to me is gone and it becomes trash, I don't get upset that I didn't win because I already knew my chances.
    But again...no one is forcing me to play...life doesn't really give you a choice.
    We will not always "win" at life, but "you can't win if you don't play" (say the lottery officials affectionately).
    Knowing this also make the good, happy, peaceful, and enjoyable parts of life all the more precious.
    That is why we need to be present in our lives as much as we can IMHO.
    Not being present is kind of like holding onto that winning ticket and never cashing it - never taking the payout because the feeling of winning is far more valuable than the money.
    It's self satisfaction, and is clinging to something ultimately worthless when never cashed.
    This is in a way remaining stuck in place.
    Not wanting to move on, because you may not win the next time, so why try at all...can't we just stay still!!!

    I've made some really cool sandcastles in my life thus far...I have pictures of some, and sometimes I had help from others...but the castle that stands today is far removed from what began.
    That is the natural progression.
    Be proud of your own sandcastle and make it fucking amazing, help others with their own...
    When it washes away sometimes all you CAN do is laugh as you suggest John.

    It's within our power to change our perspectives and expectations...it's within our power to let go of those things in the past that still hurt us today.
    My Dad would always help me with my math homework...he loved math...crazy...anyhow....
    He would always try to change my perspective of it to how he viewed it - as a puzzle to be solved.
    It didn't really help me become better at math, but rather it changed it from a math "problem" to a "puzzle".
    I still wonder why they call them math "problems"?
    That word has negative connotations...as do the "problems" in our lives.
    Not everything in life has a happy solution of course, sometimes there is just pain.
    It's only a problem if you cannot see past it.
    Even in those moments of total rock-bottom - life crushing you with loss and suffering and pain we know it's also impermanent...the bad is just as much so as the good - yet we tend to choose to remember the painful times - or we can choose to also let them go just as we have to let go of those good things in our lives we wish we could keep forever.
    We have to learn to let both the good and bad go...to focus on them as gone and stop replaying them as a new scenario in our heads over and over, hurting ourselves a bit more each time.
    It's okay to remember them...but we need to learn to not live there.
    Even good memories can cause negative emotional reactions given the right mood.
    It's all a bit of tightrope walk I feel.

    Gotta run for now....much love to you both and all!
    Thank you both for your very wise and kind words.
     
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    Thanks for your patience!
    I totally agree with all you wrote.

    In fact, I am jumping through some hoops currently to get some medication approved.
    Pretty lame stuff...it's incredibly ass-backward.
    So there is an old pain med called Buprenorphrine that has been used in Europe and Canada far more than the US for some reason.
    It originally became available as Suboxone which also contained the drug Naloxone or "Narcan" which reverses most full-agonist opioids like Morphine and the like, but will still allow the partial-agonists like Buprenorphrine to bind the the pain receptors and work.
    It was created to help addicts get off opioids and had very strict prescribing protocol.
    A lot of pain doctors, including my own, prescribed this medication to me as it also is a very good pain med with long efficacy since it's only a partial-agonist it allows those receptors to still remain functional with less long term loss of receptor site efficacy.
    Anyhow...the insurance companies put a stop to the "off label" use for pain and refused to pay leaving many people up shit creek - my own insurance company even went so far as to state "they would drop anyone from the insurance even if they were paying out of pocket."
    W T F
    Long story short...
    I'm on other meds for pain now, but the docs are pushing for patients to try and switch some or all of their meds to the Buprenorphrine (aka Belbuca), which is a repackaged version of the same drug who's generic is available everywhere else but here - we only have "access" (because you don't if can't afford it) to the name brand version they've released to now gouge the group of people they got addicted to opioids in the first place!
    But this is all part of the huge "opioid epidemic" the crackdown of which is gone about all wrong...chronic patients are suffering...and I would bet even more people have turned to street drugs now that many doctors withdrew their pain meds for legit pain patients because they didn't want the extra paperwork and the liability.
    So...this is the new drug they have been pushing as an "alternative" to the other pain meds.
    It's just as addictive as anything else out there IMHO.
    It DID actually work well for my pain, that is why I was even attempting to try it.
    My doctor gives me a "prescription assistance" card from the drug maker for the med....but it states very plainly that it does not cover anyone on Medicare.
    So after a week of waiting to see if this med is approved to even get a price quote on and see if it's financially even viable to attempt to try this medication - it's denied.
    Not because it's too expensive...lol...but get this - but because in their records I have not tried one or more of the following:
    - Fentanyl Patch (Yes I have)
    - Methadone (Yes I have)
    - Long acting Tramadol (Yes I have)

    But seriously?!
    A fucking Fentanyl patch!!
    Methadone!!!?
    Are they insane?
    What is the entire point of putting people on this "new" (not new) medication, if it's denied and too expensive for the average person to afford?
    It's supposed to get people OFF the medications they are specifically suggesting I take.
    UGH!
    Sheer insanity.

    Anyhow...even if I get them to approve it, it will most likely still not be affordable to me as a formulary brand name drug with no generic (even though they make the generic version here at US companies, they go elsewhere in the world).

    I'm very sorry that you have had your own difficulties with medications!
    It's a fight sometimes for sure.
    As far as psych meds go...I have just never found one that has ever helped me in a noticeable way without very noticeable negative side effects.
    "No, not being able to sleep because the meds have me so anxious I want to tear off my skin is super!"
    Never again...nope...nope...nope....at least not for me.
    Maybe they are of some legit help to some folks...I'm not saying there isn't a benefit for some - just none for me.
    And back to what we were talking about regarding my Mom being depressed while I was gestating and then after I was born, I'm pretty sure this had a lot to do with it...combined with being an INFJ and having those overwhelming feels at a young age, then combined with the night terrors/OOBEs and paranormal stuff and I believe I was a very mentally stressed child...I was just unable to tell anyone why I felt like that...mostly because I didn't know why myself.
    As far as I could tell - I was not normal or like anyone else or even my brother.
    This quickly turned into self-hate.
    I didn't view it as something unique or special...I just felt very alone in the world in spite of family support.

    As for the near cardiac arrest(s), I sort of feel like I was offered an out maybe?
    I very clearly thought to myself at the time "Just because I'm fascinated by near death experiences doesn't mean I want one thank you!"
    Lol
    Besides that, all my attention and thoughts were of my loved ones...
    There was nothing else but them.
    No possession was on my mind...no "thing" I dreamed about.
    Only them...in the end, it's only them...to me, that's very important to always remember.

    So yes, I agree...there are other alternative treatments that are viable out there.
    Western medicine looks more and more like expensive poison to me every day.
    Still, there are medications I rely on so I can function in a basic sense sometimes.
    I wish I could just eliminate them from my life completely, but I don't think that's in my cards.
    Then there are other natural medications that these situations had me in desperation seeking out - and though they are no cure all, they have made a giant difference in my life and how I interact and view the world.
    We shall see.


    Much love to you and I hope you are doing well currently!
    :<3white:
     
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    Lol I tend to not really get excited about things that other people get excited about. People may be jumping around, giggling with glee and I'll just be standing there. It's not because whatever is happening does not make me happy or excited but because it too is fleeting. Humbug
     
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    Yas, Renny!
     
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    You at 1:55

    Thank you Ren, I do hope you are well!?
    Much love to you both and all!
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    Hahahahaha!!! True, but with a dash more apathy!
     
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    Yes but you’re crying on the inside, lol. ;)

    BTW - I bet you would have gotten a lot of girls back in HS employing the “dancing bag” video in the dark and then talking about how you can’t take the beauty of life lest it crush you!!
    lmao
     
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    Lolo! High school!? I'm adopting that right now for everything in my life going forward! Job interview? Check. Court appearance for speeding tickets? Check. Parent/teacher conference? Check. Ordering delivery pizza (not digiorno's)? Check. Drivers license renewal? Check. Jehovah's witnesses? Check. Etc...
     
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    LMAO
     
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    Hahaha! Yay!
     
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    @Ren

    Need some money?
    https://t.co/UAYb0jfYKF
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    French village offering cash reward if you can decipher a mysterious,
    centuries old rock inscription
     
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    Enjoy!!



    Dr. Philip Goff, Will Academia Get Beyond Materialism?

    Dr. Philip Goff is a philosophy professor who dares to challenge
    biological-robot-meaningless-universe party line.

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    (clip from Dr. Strange)

    I spent my last dollar getting here you’re talking to me about healing through belief…

    You’re a man looking at the world through a keyhole and you spent your whole life
    trying to widen that keyhole to see more to know more and now on hearing

    that it can be widened in ways you can’t imagine you reject the possibility.

    I reject it because I do not believe in fairy tales about chakras,
    or energy, or the power belief there is no such thing as spirit.

    That’s a clip from the 2016 mega sci-fi hit Doctor Strange.
    This scene really captures a scientist at the tipping point.

    We are made of matter nothing more… just another tiny momentary speck within an indifferent universe.

    You think too little of yourself.

    Oh you think you see through me doing what you don’t,
    but I see through (Dr. Strange is thrown out of his body)… what was that?

    I pushed your astral form out of your physical body.

    What’s in that tea? Psilocybin? LSD?

    Just tea, with a little honey.



    Of course wouldn’t it be great if it was that simple, but the transition from the materialistic scientific paradigm into what lies beyond is anything but clean, and there are a lot of hangeroners as today’s guest Dr. Philip Goff (author of Galileo’s Error) has experienced.

    Philip Goff: There is a philosopher who’s very good friend of mine a very warm and pathetic guy very kind cares about the world but he doesn’t think consciousness exists it’s always incredible to me that it you know in a sense he thinks you know no one has ever really felt pain. I think one of the big problems in that position is all of scientific knowledge is mediated through consciousness… thinking that you could have scientific evidence that consciousness doesn’t exist is a bit like thinking astronomy can tell us that there are no telescopes.

    But one of the questions for me is how much of this hangeroner stuff should we tolerate, should we accept as just part of the change process, versus calling it for what it is:

    Alex Tsakiris: you know in academia it’s really easy who gets the grants? who gets promoted? who doesn’t get promoted? who doesn’t get tenure? they get pruned off the tree and at the end of the day you wind up with what we have now. we wind up with you debating with Jerry Coyne, which again I know I get push back when I say this, but he’s just really incompetent. I’ve had him on the show and he just… just gets major things wrong that he’s supposed to know about. and yet he’s put forward and propped up. He’s at University of Chicago, been around forever, and this goes on and on. so that that’s the social engineering project, not that people don’t legitimately believe [in materialism] it’s just that the people who are really thinking this thing through are not presented as credible.

    This was a very fun chat with a very bright guy who’s doing some great work.
    I hope you enjoy my conversation with Dr. Phillip Goff.






     
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    Good news!
    My student loans have been approved to be discharged and dissolved!!

    And...
    From what I read in the letter...the money they garnished must be returned as well.
    Hell yeah.

    Now how will the universe balance this out?

    I am very, very grateful!
    Much love all!
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    That’s amazing news Skare!! :smiley: Congratulations!!!

    I can’t imagine how much of a weight must’ve been lifted off just reading that!

    It’s a shame how this country has gotten too far in the deep end with students loans nowadays. Majority of college students in the U.S. are in extreme debt due to overtly expensive tuition fees here in the states—it’s ridiculous. I have a lot of distaste regarding the American education system here too and how we put too much money in military rather than education. It’s a darn shame where this country has been at and going towards to over time.

    Fortunately the debt I owe isn’t as extreme as most students, but it is still quite high which irks the living hell out of me.

    Anyways, congrats again Skare!!! :)
     
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    That’s fantastic news, I’m really pleased for you - a great weight lifted like Jenny said!

    I’ve got a lot of doubts about youngsters running up huge debts for their education. It isn’t good to start out as an adult with that burden and it normalises debt. I wouldn’t be surprised if future generations look back on it with great distaste like we look back at our ancestors sometimes.

    I was brought up in a different system- the state paid all our fees and we got a means tested subsistence grant too. I had no debt when I finished my degree. The down side was that there were only university places for about 10% of youngsters so you had to be very good academically to win a place at one. The state couldn’t afford to fund a much higher percentage than that.
     
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    Thank you both very much, it's a feat here in the US.
    Dead or disabled.
    Even bankruptcy will not erase it.
    It's gotten even worse than when I went to college....that same college was charging $10,000 more just 4 years after I graduated in 2003, so I cannot fathom what it is now...poor kids.
    And yes...graduating with so much debt puts many under immediate financial strain...and it's not because of the lame argument that - "people are choosing majors with no jobs".
    If you want a decent wage in the US...it's basically mandatory to go to college, though there are certainly ways and means around that, but your fields are much, much more limited.
    I just cannot wait until these old conservative men are out of power.
    This was their doing and it won't be undone until they are gone from the congress.
    If we still have one after this sham presidency that is...
    Community college should be free or a reasonable rate.
    No more $500 college books and other BS.
    We could have a system like you describe John, hell, even one that can take more than the 10%...but as Jenny points out, we spend our taxes on war here.
    Lol...but not really.

    Anyhow...it's nice to have one more stressor gone.
    I am incredibly grateful and hope that my contributions I made while working made up for it!

    Much love!!
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