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Exactly, we should be talking about it, but we shouldn't be ignoring what's behind the curtain. Talking about it is great but stopping it would be better.

Perhaps I'm dim, and I don't mean to insult you, but problems such as this don't have easy solutions, which is why we are discussing it. If it was easy to solve about it, this discussion would cease and hopefully we would move toward solving the problem. The problem is also far-reaching. it does not exist in a continuum where you can directly go from talking about it to solving it.
 
Perhaps I'm dim, and I don't mean to insult you, but problems such as this don't have easy solutions, which is why we are discussing it. If it was easy to solve about it, this discussion would cease and hopefully we would move toward solving the problem. The problem is also far-reaching. it does not exist in a continuum where you can directly go from talking about it to solving it.

I didn't say there was an easy solution. I was just answering Slant who said that it didn't matter why people raped. I believe that is a central part in finding a solution. So in reality, I'm saying we should talk about more facets than what is being currently discussed.
 
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I didn't say there was an easy solution. I was just answering Slant who said that it didn't matter why people raped. I believe that is a central part in finding a solution. So in reality, I'm saying we should talk about more facets than what is being currently discussed.


Ah, ok, I understand now. Thank you!
 
I didn't say there was an easy solution. I was just answering Slant who said that it didn't matter why people raped. I believe that is a central part in finding a solution. So in reality, I'm saying we should talk about more facets than what is being currently discussed.
I agree that this is a perfectly legitimate way of finding at least a partial solution. Lets say 15% of all rapes are done by people who were severely abused as children. Lets now raise awareness and try to lessen the stigma of children speaking out about their abuse so instead of these abused children growing up in an environment that makes their rage fester they might have a chance at a life of sanity. Maybe by the generation after next these systems work enough to find half of those 15% before they become rapists, thats 7.5% fewer rapists and a lot of people who don't get raped.
I say thats progress.

And don't go on about my example, if you don't like it replace it with another in your head, I'm done fighting over trivialities.
 
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I agree that this is a perfectly legitimate way of finding at least a partial solution. Lets say 15% of all rapes are done by people who were severely abused as children. Lets now raise awareness and try to lessen the stigma of children speaking out about their abuse so instead of these abused children growing up in an environment that makes their rage fester they might have a chance at a life of sanity. Maybe by the generation after next these systems work enough to find half of those 15% before they become rapists, thats 7.5% fewer rapists and a lot of people who don't get raped.
I say thats progress.

And don't go on about my example, if you don't like it replace it with another in your head, I'm done fighting over trivialities.

Okay.....I'm not trying to fight with you. I'm simply correcting you because I have a dominant personality and think I am always right.


ANYWAY, moving onwards!

It's impossible to narrow it down to something like 'well because this event happened to this person then that is why they did this'.

A lot of people who rape others have been abused sexually, too; but a lot haven't.

I mean, the research has been going on for decades stacked upon decades.

Rape isn't necessarily a dysfunctional thing that people who are crazy do. I am not saying it is right, but it can be used as a strategy in wars.

There are so many motivations, reasons, explanations, personality and mental disorders, childhood trauma, relationship problems, etc. that could have caused someone to rape someone else that it's irrelevant to this topic.

We don't care why people rape men.

We just care that it happened.

We just care about the ultimate question:

What do we do now?

Because when we ask ourselves 'why did this happen to me, why did they do that' as a survivor of rape, we aren't living in the present. We have to move on, we have to deal with our issues, go to our therapy sessions, press charges against the person who did it to us, talk about it, accept it....we have to deal with it.

That's the point I'm trying to make.

Theorize all you want about what makes people rape men.

I just want men to know that, despite social norms and expectations, they are welcome to come out with their stories of rape. I want to change the point of view that rape is for women. I mean, we shouldn't have to say rape is 'for' anyone. But what I mean by that is: rape doesn't only happen to women and children. Full grown, strong men, can be raped.

Some people have mentioned concerns about rape in prison. See, that's the sort of issue I am talking about. We don't need to theorize why people rape each other in prison. Sociology has studied it apparently, and has concluded that in usually all-men prisons sexual urges will cause men to have sex with other men. That's just how it works. Some of it is about power, but an important thing to note about prison rapes is Maslow's Hierarchy of needs. This does not apply for everyone. Like me, for example. But it does to most.

The very bottom of this pyramid is physiological, and for sexual beings, which 99% of the human population are considered, sex is a need. This causes previously heterosexuals to seek out same sex partners to take out these frustrations, these demands, these needs on.

There have been reports and cases, in the instance of power, Prison Guards themselves participating in the raping of inmates. How do you think someone who went to prison for something heinous, like murder or rape, and then gets raped in prison by a guard is going to be treated when they come out with it? "He deserved it" usually comes up, disbelief. All normal reactions. But no one should be raped, no one deserves to be raped. And the men who are survivors are forced into silence. Why? Because they are afraid to say it.

"I am human, I have the same rights as everyone else, and I was raped against my will. I surrender my responsibility for it because it was not my fault; I couldn't have stopped it. I tried my best. I am not a victim, I am a survivor. And I want you, the people I love the most, to understand me. I want you to hear my cry, that if I was raped, it doesn't make me gay or weak. It just makes me a human survivor of a terrible crime. Please understand."
 
We don't care why people rape men.

We just care that it happened.

Well, you have a massive internal hemorrhage and instead of trying to stop it from killing you we're just going to send you to a support group for the dying so you feel better about it. We're also not going to research the subject so we can prevent it from happening in the future. Hopefully everything turns out alright.


Seems counterproductive.
 
Well, you have a massive internal hemorrhage and instead of trying to stop it from killing you we're just going to send you to a support group for the dying so you feel better about it. We're also not going to research the subject so we can prevent it from happening in the future. Hopefully everything turns out alright.


Seems counterproductive.
I think that when you are raped it is the steps you take afterwads that keep the rape from killing you since unlike an internal hemorrhage you are not constanly being raped. A support group could have a positive effect on the thoughts of rape while also being seen as a cure of sorts (at least psychologically to the rape-ee (sp?)). Finding out why someone is internally bleeding is not the same as why someone else is rapeing.
 
I think that when you are raped it is the steps you take afterwads that keep the rape from killing you since unlike an internal hemorrhage you are not constanly being raped. A support group could have a positive effect on the thoughts of rape while also being seen as a cure of sorts (at least psychologically to the rape-ee (sp?)). Finding out why someone is internally bleeding is not the same as why someone else is rapeing.

For the last time, I am not saying that support groups are not necessary. I'm saying that rape prevention is important and ignoring that issue is ridiculous. To ignore it is akin to ignoring why someone is dying. Putting a band-aid on rape is completely missing the central issue: the rape.
 
Wow...

Support and help after rape are valid for men. They should be more available for men.
AND understanding the different motivators for why people rape are valid.

Both are valid. How is this that difficult? I'm not getting the impression TG is saying that the latter is more important than the former..

Why would you even open up a discussion on men being raped without wanting to talk about some possible motivators for why men are raped?
 
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I think Slant has a point, in that when the crime of rape is committed, increased focus should be given to helping and understanding the victim, not to helping and understanding the violator. Emotional/psychological "triage" should give priority to the traumatised over the disturbed.

Adult male victims, because of societal expectations probably are seldom helped or understood. Instead their experiences are probably for the most part supressed (with varying degrees of success).

Help and support is available and given to rape victims..... who are not adult males.
 
hey i read somewhere that populations with easy access to pornography had lowered rates of sexually related crimes, which might suggest a potential solution to this. if we made porn and other non aggressive avenues of sexual release more freely available to potential rapists, it might be enough to prevent them committing the crime.
 
hey i read somewhere that populations with easy access to pornography had lowered rates of sexually related crimes, which might suggest a potential solution to this. if we made porn and other non aggressive avenues of sexual release more freely available to potential rapists, it might be enough to prevent them committing the crime.

Which is why Japan has one of the lowest rates for sexual abuse :). Hentai...
 
I think Slant has a point, in that when the crime of rape is committed, increased focus should be given to helping and understanding the victim, not to helping and understanding the violator. Emotional/psychological "triage" should give priority to the traumatised over the disturbed.

Adult male victims, because of societal expectations probably are seldom helped or understood. Instead their experiences are probably for the most part supressed (with varying degrees of success).

Help and support is available and given to rape victims..... who are not adult males.

Everyone should be counseled after they have been raped. That's without a doubt important. However, dismissing why they have been raped doesn't help anyone. If the rapist had been originally understood such a crime could have been prevented and a wound that is almost incapable of healing would not have been inflicted.
As acd said, both are valid.
 
hey i read somewhere that populations with easy access to pornography had lowered rates of sexually related crimes, which might suggest a potential solution to this. if we made porn and other non aggressive avenues of sexual release more freely available to potential rapists, it might be enough to prevent them committing the crime.

Is rape about sex?
Funny, every book on the subject I have ever read and every training by sexual assault therapist professionals states that it is about power and rage.

And... The U.S (most industrialized countries) doesn't have easy access to porn??
 
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hey i read somewhere that populations with easy access to pornography had lowered rates of sexually related crimes, which might suggest a potential solution to this. if we made porn and other non aggressive avenues of sexual release more freely available to potential rapists, it might be enough to prevent them committing the crime.

Given the way the internet works, I don't see how porn could possibly be more available - unless you meant setting up secluded, sound-proof internet access booths stocked with tons of tissue paper.

Anyhow, the cure sounds worse than the problem - if you wanted to stop rape at any cost, just have Bromide added to the water supply.
 
Is rape about sex?
Funny, every book on the subject I have ever read and every training by sexual assault therapist professionals states that it is about power and rage.

I'd have to agree here.
 
Is rape about sex?

in some cases i'm sure it is. in other cases its probably about the dominance/power/control that mf & TG talked about before. another potential idea is making likely rapists take drugs which lower their sex drive, they're available although perhaps that would be a violation of basic rights
 
Is rape about sex?
Funny, every book on the subject I have ever read and every training by sexual assault therapist professionals states that it is about power and rage.

I believe its about instant sexual gratification. Individuals who are desperate to fulfill their sexual needs and desires and therefore selfishly apply brutality and force upon those who they see as powerless.

Sick.
 
in some cases i'm sure it is. in other cases its probably about the dominance/power/control that mf & TG talked about before. another potential idea is making likely rapists take drugs which lower their sex drive, they're available although perhaps that would be a violation of basic rights

Occurs through forced intercourse.
Forced intercourse is not sex.
Rage and a compulsion to dominate are always motivators for rape.