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    My point is that for the last four year plus we hear how racist America is. And yet with all this systemic racism people still want to come here by the millions. And they do legal or illegal. They have painted a narrative that does not mirror reality. I also hate this excuse about illegal immigration. They say they are doing jobs that no one wants to do. Maybe college folks do not want to be plumbers or electricians or dry wall installation or hvac painters lawn mowers pipe setters the list is endless. My situation with my very own father in law brought this all to light when I worked in Washington DC with mostly illegal immigrants. The wages my father in law paid was way below the average for commercial plumbing. He had guys working for 7 dollars an hour.There is cause and effect for everything that happens in life. And I don’t like how the left justifies screwing illegals saying they are doing jobs no one wants to do. Americans do not want to do the job for the price they want to pay these days. The trades have been hit hard with the illegal work force. I have first hand knowledge of their plans they told me. They each were working to make 100,000. And between the brothers uncles and cousins they could have a large cattle ranch. They had zero plans of staying here. They were taking advantage of the exchange rate so that they could buy more at home. I asked them what would happen if I decided to do what they were doing. They warned me that Mexico was not a place for a gringo on his own. And that I could never feel safe there because I never would be. They would not accept me in Mexico. But there I was day after day being kind and friendly to them in my country. Trying to understand what they were doing. And I did get it. They were working to be free. With five or so years of hard work they would be set up to live life as they chose. Plus they also learned how to build things. So when they would go home or get deported they would work on their house. Or help build others homes. They were always working toward a goal. I have lost touch with all of them. One was murdered when he went home to El Salvador to work his farm. Murdered for very little money it was sad for me to hear that he died that way. He was a really great fella and even though he did not speak a lot of English we were still able to understand what the other was saying. It also helped that his brother spoke pretty good English. So we could communicate better when he was around. So from my own experience I can say that if there were that much hostility towards people that were other than white why would they come here? Why would they want to? America is not perfect because the people are not perfect. America to me is a reflection of how the people work together to struggle and strive for a better life. And that is something every human can agree on. That above all we want freedom. And as long as you let me have mine I’ll let you have yours. We work together because we all do better when we work together. There will always be some dip shits out there. No matter what. You cannot kill all the good for a little bad. It always ends up worse. Sometimes it’s best to acknowledge it and deal with it than to keep ignoring it until it becomes the problem that could have been solved. It’s fine if they want to work here. Just make it a level playing field. Because as far as I am concerned it’s morally wrong to pay someone less when they are working in this country doing the same job as a legal citizen. If they did that the illegals would slow down on coming here. Because their would be no incentive to hire them any more. They are only being hired so that they can be preyed upon by lousy business owners. That pay slave wages in a first world country. I see something terribly wrong with that. Especially since all men are created equal. Well are not the illegals still men? So why are they not equal? Why do they get they low pay. They say we need them. That’s the same argument the southern Democrats used for keeping slaves. That no one else wants to do the work so they have to have slaves. They only do it because it’s still better than Mexico. So what happens if we fix the problem? Lots of un employed illegals. That will either go home or if they can’t will then become a burden to the social welfare problem. Or starve. There are so many different things that can happen when you start fixing things. Sometimes it makes thinking difficult. But I try to think of all sides and all outcomes. But you will never be able to do that. So you just have to do the best you can. It’s all any of us can do.
     
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    Why won't you let some elites who have never met you or them decide what's best for all of you? Don't you understand they're trying to help by taking all your choices away and deciding everything for you? You show clear signs of institutional isms
     
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    All kidding aside I hope the third impeachment goes better.

    If all else fails in future you can always dig up Trump posthumously and behead him Oliver Cromwell style. Anything to satiate that appetite for revenge.
     
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    Social Security sends a notice your employee has an incorrect SS number and you have to check on it. Fire them or keep 40% of their wages. They move on to your competition who pays them in cash. Then, you can hardly bid against them. I'll not elaborate, as it would take hours. Three weeks left for a green card to work for just me, and 9-11 happens. Two years of fighting, jumping through hoops, fingerprinting, photographs, and it all comes back saying the program is cancelled. They move on to your competition. Lost three that day when I told them I had to keep 40% wages.

    I see it as a dinghy picking up swimmers trying to get somewhere illegally. The dinghy starts sinking and none make it. The dinghy was only made to withstand a certain amount of burden. Our gov is only made to withstand a certain amount of people not working, yet they are falling like flies. Let's allow a few million more to fight for the jobs our children and grandchildren can't find. I don't see very many bleeding hearts up top, so what is the real reason they want them to be made legal? Voting rights.
     
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    What's this 'Communist handbook' you're referring to here?

    It's my understanding that the 'literal quotation' you mention is the opposite of communist ideology; that what they really believed was that 'race' and other identities were 'false consciousnesses' that kept people from understanding their true class position in society.
     
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    Is it revenge though? or is it a matter of accountability?

    In all seriousness, shouldn't a person be held accountable for their actions while they are in an elected office, devoid of any personal feelings regarding the individual's personal character?

    If a person accepted responsibility through millions+ votes act in accordance with the facts and not their own personal bias of the office they are elected to?

    and further more, when said person acts in their own interest instead of the interests of their electors be brought through justice based on the lack of, or blatantly scoffing the responsibilities of the office they've been elected to?

    Just because a person is elected as opposed to being hired, which elections of officers is, does by no means disqualify them to be fired. With a 2/3 vote any elected official can be stripped of its title...the same goes at the corporate table, the BOD raise a hand and toss out the CEO.

    In the case of Trumph, he's been fired. He is being called to accountability for his actions while in the position; corporate law has no business in evaluating constitutional law.

    Robert's Rules of Order, Somebody aught to brush up on the Parliamentary aspects of how US Congress gets the final decision. The one vote is the say of the people of the district elect...I didn't get a phone call asking me what I thought...Stop giving the loosers a trophy too. You played, you lost, go home. You were seen to play dirty so you'll not be invited back to the sandlot.
     
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    What planet are you from? UN-reasonable. [​IMG]
     
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    First off thank you for your input! You are quite eloquent in your presentation(s). I am going to guess everyone on here will agree that the Constitution should be used (Ok the true Marxists won't agree) the question becomes what does the Constitution mean? As it is written or as it could be applied in modern times? One side thinks that "shall not be infringed" means just that. The other side doesn't think it applies to anything. But to offer one example.
     
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    I tried to use the quote function to save some bandwidth but alas I didn't manage to make that happen. Just to be clear these points are well presented and in my not meaningful opinion are accurate. My reason for posting is the line: "ignoring the fact that whole economies are being destroyed". One has to also ignore Venezuela, Cuba and of course that list goes on. But the however on this logic is that it isn't being destroyed, it is being re-shaped to make it more equitable. And who is going to argue with equitable? And then when it is pointed out that is a total lie the pointer then has to be labeled in some manner of evil to try and de-voice him/her/them. There has been some quibbling over the Communist handbook....I could not document in the time I was willing to allocate to the matter one way or the other. However, one could read the Rules for Radicals by Alinsky - same out come and just a more recent example of Marx et al. There is a good posting and at the time I didn't think I was going to reference it so I did not write it down (my apologies). It is a synopsis of the two Alinsky books with a lead in quote by Hillary. In very short time it does a very good job of offering the Cliff Notes version of the logic behind the de-basing of the system.
     
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    In an attempt to save some bandwidth I am going to offer possibilities anyone could check that the current narrative of the list may not be entirely accurate.

    In August of 2020 AFSCME had a "Convention" in Las Vegas and one of the Forums was: Gun Safety, which Kamala Harris was a participant, the Western Journal on 10/3/19 did an article on the event. They included a quote by Kamala: "We have to have a buy back program - I support a mandatory buy back program." "We're going to have to have a smart public policy that's about taking those off the streets, but doing it in the right way".
    You can find most anywhere in print where Beto O'Rourke stated: "Hell Yes we're coming for your AR-15 your AK-47. It is also on You Tube so you can see it in video if you choose. Mr. O'Rourke also said on the Tonight show hosted by Jimmy Fallen "I do believe that we need to do buy backs and I'll tell you why. They are weapons of war with no place on the streets for the civil society".

    Again on You Tube (you can watch the video for yourself) Joe Biden Admits He wants to confiscate guns "Bingo" (that is the title) 8/7/19 it is a segment of a CNN interview.

    Also on You Tube The Guardian/ABC News the Democrat Debate of 9/13/19, candidates admitting they want to confiscate guns.

    Different topic: Also on You Tube the title for the segment is; Joe Biden Brags getting Ukraine Prosecutor fired. 9/20/19 (it's been played a lot of places).

    Back to print for another topic. CNSNews 5/8/20 Top Obama Officials Under Oath Told Schiff's Committee that they saw no evidence of Trump-Russia collusion.
    This Keeps Getting Better: Former Obama Official admits she lied about having evidence of Russian Collusion.

    The Federalist 10/6/20: Breaking: DNI Declassifies Handwritten Notes From John Brennan, 2016 CIA Referral On Clinton's Campaign Collusion Operation. (Which includes copies of the actual notes).

    I will almost certainly concede that if a person were to rely solely on what constitutes for the main street media one could possibly have the wrong idea of what ACTUALLY transpired as apposed to what people want to believe transpired.
     
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    You might want to look into the propaganda common in Russia and China. Although it predates the communist revolution the superiority of the Russian and Chinese people remain pre-supposed. The final result of which was the holodomor where a million plus Ukrainians were starved to death while their grain was transferred to Russia to feed their benevolent Russian overlords. Same with the Kazakh peoples.

    You see the same idea played out with 'the middle kingdom' in China with their concentration camps. The ethnic superiority stuff is latent in a lot of the communist thinking, Hitler and Mousilini made it much more explicit in their "improved" socialism.
     
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    That doesn't answer my questions :unhappy:

    and btw @Reason my questions aren't directed at you particularly, rather to any one that can elaborate on them.
    My apologies if you thought differently, you just seem to tickle my think tank and thank you for it. :)
     
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    Let me see if I understand you correctly then, it's alright to disqualify people from office provided you have the votes to do so?

    So if, for example, Republicans had impeached Biden for a scandal during the months leading up to the 2020 election and therefore disqualifying him from holding public office they would have been perfectly within their powers to do so?

    If that's the argument I would have to say that's a horribly undemocratic system to implement.
     
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    No I didn't say any of that.

    I said DJ Trump needs to be held accountable for his dereliction of duty during the four years he was an elected official, the top elected officer btw, who not only has an obligation to the people who voted for him but the ones that didn't as well.

    Should he be allowed to have a second crack at his twisted agenda really? I could lose my voice hollering about all the atrocities he may, or may not have intended. The one thing I can't be silent about is his 'downplaying' a global situation of a viral pandemic...aww, and to keep us idiot Americans from panicking was the excuse? Secondly, him mocking a reporter in front of the world for having a disability? and how about these redneck mother Fulkersons he USED to mark his gains so he could keep his tiny hands clean?

    Like-minds breed chaos across the isle. The Republicans aren't in my radar, Trump is. Who gives a furry rat's ball who he is as a person, as a President he failed to serve and protect period. He should be divested to ever serve in any official capacity again.

    And just so my opinion is clear. It is just that, my opinion shared with many that think he is an imbecile. The thickest tickler is watching all these brilliant minds argue over the Presidency without one of them running for office to show us that they can do that job better. Nope, it's easier to retain that high and mighty stance from their easy chair beer in hand. Please. I'd fall over stone dead if one politician actually did something he promised to do while he was selling his ass to electorates.
     
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    So impeaching people out of office only applies to Republicans? Or should it only ever be used against Trump?
     
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    No, and No.

    I think perhaps we're done here. :)
     
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    As you wish but inconsistently applied rules is what makes you lose credibility in these discussions. You can't just handwave away long term consequences.
     
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    ...as well as the discussion looses its luster when my words are dismissed.

    Not sure what consequences you're referring to? My opinion holds no consequence from my vantage point. Price of the same token of respect for another, often differing opinion at that. Take care.
     
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    I have been letting them take care of me. They are doing a terrible job. My wife and I had to force the doctors to scan my sons brain for cancer after we stayed a week in the hospital and they would do nothing. We took him to another hospital and it took a day to get them to do the scan we wanted. And to quote joe Biden “ son of a bitch there’s brain cancer in his brain”. The doctors were unwilling to look at anything other than their opinion. And they were wrong. Just as your opinion could very well be wrong about anything. Under the hospitals care my son would have died. They planned to sit and wait for something worse to happen. During his brain surgery he died. And it took them some time to revive him. That was the longest 8 hours of my life.
    I suggest you be careful what you believe. You just as the rest of us can be very wrong. That’s why it’s best to talk to other people so you get a better sense of what’s going on all around you instead of just what is floating around in your head. I’m sure your post was a joke but was it?
     
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