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    My personal frustrations are well-grounded from experiences. I do not hate black folk.

    I never addressed the question.

    It is quite humanly impossible to make everyone equal. Cassius Clay was making millions. He was so oppressed. Black supremist? Muslim supremist? Anti-white! Our country is not responsible for what the world did. Someone kicks my door in? Come on...(that means to think about it, for those who do not understand me; even though it sounds ambiguous. If government tries that, there will be a lot of bloodshed. Who wants that?
     
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    I just don't see that happening(ambiguous).
     
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    Not a good move.
     
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    I'm not on trial. Hasn't it been outlawed? I have never told anyone to sit at the back of the bus or not use my bathroom. I know a man played professional ball. He has told me of being refused to be served in AL because his team in college was mostly black. You figure it out.
     
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    That's nice and all, and i understand if you think the question is ridiculous because the answer should be obvious. But I just think it's a bad move because it makes it look like you have something to hide, even if I don't think it's true I'm just telling you how I think it comes across to people.
     
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    First I want to sincerely thank everyone for the posts. The education I am getting by researching these topics is priceless - again thank you! Now to the points at hand.

    "Rumor that Democrats are coming for your guns"; there may be a small semantics issued also involved here but to that point: ABCnews.go.com - Biden's proposals for guns. H.R. 127 (which can be found at: Congress.Gov.)

    With a fair amount of time the documentation is there that ANY "impairment" to the 2A is not Constitutional. It is usually suggested to read the Federalist Papers(guides.loc.gov/federalist-papers/fulltext) and indeed Hamilton in #29 (I will paraphrase if anyone needs the exact quote I can post it) makes it clear that the citizens should indeed be "permitted" (clearly my word and not his) to be able to be as trained and armed as any army the Government can muster to ensure the Army can't prevail over the citizenry. Madison in #46 also addresses the point at some length. Samuel Adams (the original not the current Beer corporation) To the Massachusetts Ratifying Congress (1783): "The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent people of the United States who are peaceful citizens from keeping their own arms".

    The irony of all this is that the Federalists weren't as pro-gun as the Anti-Federalists which is how the Bill of Rights came to be. Several states which included among others New York and Massachusetts of all places were not going to ratify the constitution without the defined protections against the Federalists. So reading the Anti-Federalists papers are even more enlightening on arms ownership (weapons not appendages). Just to cement the irony here one of the better Federalist vs. Anti-Federalist summaries was......at........AlJazeera (someone try and claim that is a bastion of Conservative American thought). March 8th 2020 (I believe in their on-line manifestation).
     
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    Frwnkly, it's time t o get real about the second amendment. A well organized militia..great idea, before the country had the army, navy, air force..oh yeah, there was no air power when it was written. Let's not forget the marines. The notion that a band of soldier wanna be s with th for ar-15's will over through the government is simply silly.
    weapons have changed..we are no longer talking about muskets. One Apache helicopter will dispatch with the well regulated militia in seconds..
    time to rethink..
     
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    "As trained and armed..." so basically most people fail to meet the standard. How many gun owners are well trained to actually use the weapons they own? How many just pick them up at Walmart and post pictures of themselves with them on social media to look cool lol.

    Somehow I doubt the gun culture that exists now is what 2A was all about.
     
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    The Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 (18 U.S.C. /1385) (also known by other titles) 6/18/1878 Sign by Rutherford B. Hayes, and was amended in 1956 as well as 1981 Prohibits the use of the Military against U.S. Civilians. It does pose an interesting and open ended question; would the enlisted (if the law were to be ignored) open fire to try and kill say 50-75 million civilians?

    I would also suggest that the current social media situation (Twitter and Facebook but two of the leading examples) is what the founding fathers had in mind for the 1A.
    I also wonder why organized religion is "tolerating" the Government(s) to close their facilities in clear violation of the First Amendment.
     
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    I don't like that about the military using an Apache to kill civilians. I need an S-500.
    And an S-400.
     
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    Any political party that claims that it can speak for all is a liar. Any political party that says that it hates the other is a liar. Any person who is not able to see the value in another persons life is a liar. You should follow no one who calls for violence. No one who calls for segregation. America is the melting pot not the mining pit. We do not single out people by race we choose them by deeds. It’s not what a man says that matters. It’s what he does. Political parties say a lot but do nothing. They have you all on the fence. Watching as they screw the other. How long before they start screwing you? Look at California. Even the good liberals there are upset. It’s very easy to complain about freedom when you live in a free country. It’s very easy to complain about capitalism from your mansions holly wood stars. And yet you are crying for the destruction of the very country that made you. That capitalism put all that money in your pocket. And now that you have yours you want to slam the door on every one else. As George Carlin said “ There is a club and your not in it”. And indeed there is a club actually there is a club in every town. A Democrat club and republican club. And those two clubs beat one another year after year. I’ve noticed that for opposing views they sure do get along pretty well. The argue for show. And hope that you make it real in your daily life. And you political folks do. You make your whole life politics. You make the first human mistake. You make an exception for your evil heart. You believe that because you belong to this side you owe it your allegiance. Even if they are talking crazy. You stay with your team. Even as the country is burning you stay on your team. The problem with American politics is that their are only two teams. And they the teams have gotten really good at scaring the shite out of you.
    And when you always have the other side to blame it on you always have a scape goat. No one is on your side because you do not have a side. The group “ the democracy “ took it from you. You the citizen of the United States of America needs to restore the republic inside of your self. You need to see that all men are created equal. You need to see that all men want freedom. And respect. And by being an American you believe those things to be self evident for all men. My freedom comes from me allowing you to have your freedom. And you allow me the same privilege. That is our society. We the people decide through our daily struggles how we will live and treat one another. We the public are the power. And instead of following these turds who keep us circling the toilet bowl. We clean up this mess we have made. And send the stool down the drain. And then we remove the powers of legislation and we start allowing ourselves to take back the freedom we foolishly let others dictate to us when all we have to do is start loving one another again as humans.

    That is the great hope for our country. They knew that if we the people would strive for equality we could get there. But no government could do that. Only throug a mans heart comes love one cannot legislate love. Hence the divorce rates.

    My son has suffered many obstacles the last few years fighting brain cancer. And I have had to change my way of thinking about life and people and the world. I’ve had to open my eyes to a more diverse and richer way of seeing how we all fit together. And that when the chips are down the human race can do wonderful things together. What we can accomplish together is limitless. What we can accomplish alone is limited. Please do not take for granted how great you really have it right now. Never forget that you can have it so much worse. Never wish misery onto another. It will come for you eventually. What you do matters. What you don’t do also matters. We always have the choice to love. To listen. To seek common ground. Humanity is a body. A human body. And if the any parts of the body decide that it wants to go it’s own way the body dies. The body of America is being torn apart. And if you keep rejecting your American body you will perish with it. Your not German African English Chinese Japanese Irish Mexican Indian Jamaican Italian Russian French and so on and so forth until you represent every one who has ever came to this country on a ship or plane. They came here as those people. But us the children of those people we. Well we are all American. We know nothing of those countries. We have our place here. And with all things human we have our faults. And even with all those faults. With all the complaints I hear. I still see people trying to get in. I see them wanting to be here. To run from where ever they were to escape something so bad that they would risk it all to come to a racist nation? Full of 80 million racist socialist nazis? That’s why people come here. Think of that. How many millions of Mexicans and El Salvador folks have walked all those miles to be attacked by 80 million white supremacy supporters? Does that even make sense. Why would you run away from a country full of your own kind to live next to racists and bigots? And work side by side with them on construction sites day in and out. Look at how the media portrays this country. That’s not the America I know. That’s not the America I live in. What I see on the news. Even they want us to look bad. I urge you to unite as Americans and stop this silly petty arguing while we still have a country we can fix together. Our children need us to act like the adults. America needs its people to support her. And raise the bar once again for all of us. This does not require legislation or a war. It requires you to open up your heart to your fellow man. And see him as you see yourself. A human. Running in a race where one human helps the next so the race can go on. I love you all and hope that you can come to peace with your thoughts so that you can let others live in peace.
     
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    Well done you!! That couldn't have been said any better. THANK YOU!! A very great way to start my day! (Good luck with your son - I hope that works out the best it can).
     
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    @efromm Sorry about your son, first of all.

    I don't follow what I quoted your saying. Would you mind clearing the fog for me? I most likely understand, but please? I'll use my own sensible translation.

    Something we should all feel bad about: recently Texas is all white. Please pray for them.
     
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    Americans should protect their Constitution at all costs. There has been a long and quiet war waged by enemies within to erode it, they are now moving at a much faster pace.

    Britain has been neutered and subdued, and so the world need's you.

    China is fast exporting it's Communism, they are committing grave and vast atrocities, who will take a stand?

    Certainly not Biden, or any "career" (bought) politician.
     
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    The whole left vs right, black vs white ... it's all a distraction, a division.
    The Communist handbook of the early 20th century literally said "divide people by race and class and get them to turn on each other", (the fascist handbook is very similar, they are each collectivist & totalitarian) never fails, you've got to give them credit for consistency. Look up some Edward C Griffin videos from decades ago, he explains it very concisely.

    The mainstream media got you eating out of their hands, living a vast life of illusion, unworthy of the truth, happily and easily placated by the lies.
    Arguing over gender neutral toilets and stimulus checks, ignoring the fact that whole economies are being destroyed, all your land has been sold, and once again Jeff Bezos, Bill Gates & the Bankers have stolen all your wealth - but that's okay because rainbows & unicorns & diversity quotas & shit.

    Bout time we all started focusing on where the true power lays, instead of just fighting over the bones the media choose to throw us.
     
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    Actually, strategically speaking, an armed American populace would be a formidable force against any ground invasion, which must surely follow any air strikes (assuming invaders don't want to nuke you into oblivion). If the right to bare arms wasn't a powerful mechanism, they wouldn't be trying to get rid of it.

    Never did manage to beat those Afghans, even with all those Apaches,
     
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    No one is trying to take guns..we need sensible gun laws that keep guns away from those that should not have them.. civilians do not need fire power..and afghans were armed by the us military..trying to over through our government by arms is silly and suicide
     
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    @Sinny what are your thoughts on impeaching an ex-president?
     
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    https://www.nraila.org/articles/20210216/biden-begins-gun-control-push

    I'll keep all my high capacity magazines and my fun guns for the range....those the media calls assault weapons. I do not need a government telling me I cannot have things I bought legally with my own money.

    SOME people may not need them because of their stupidity. If they pass NICS, they can still have them. Some people should not be driving, but they have that right until it is taken way for their driving records. Make gun manufacturers responsible for the evil men do? Why not make the government responsible for some of the evil they do, too?

    Trying to overthrow our government with guns? I hope you don't actually think that has happened lately.

    As long as street people can buy guns, I'll have guns. I don't see cars being made illegal. Cigarettes? Booze? Why don't we declare Covid the enemy, not guns? Covid acts on its own. A person has to make a gun dangerous for killing and wounding.
    Each legal person has a right to own guns. It is not up to anyone else to decide who gets them.
     
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    For someone that earlier said most people don't know how to use guns? Get training and go shooting. A knife can kill as fast as a gun from someone trained. So can gasoline.

    I hear we may be getting another 12 million democratic votes soon.
     
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