Homosexual Marriage and Adoption

100% for it.

Marriage for me is about two individuals making an emotional, spiritual and physical commitment to one another, sexuality makes no difference in this commitment. I believe a gay marriages should have the same legal rights as I would.

The most important factor with adoption is the parents abilities to raise a responsible child, their sexuality doesn't make them incapable of this so why should they be excluded. Often these children grow up more open minded and accepting of others.

 

Against homosexuals marrying within Christian/Jewish/Islamic institutions. This is because the religions themselves are against it and they have every right to be. If someone wants to be married within a religious institution that will love and accept them then they ought to do as these religions did, and make up one of their own that suits them better. Any group has the right to deny entry to another group, but that doesn't follow that they have the right to harm them.

I believe we should do away with all legal rights to religious marriage. Complete separation of church and state. From this, it would follow that all legal rights come from "Civil Unions" and homosexuals and heterosexuals should have exactly the same right to a civil union.

I am against homosexual couples adopting as well, but for a totally different reason. Children need to grow up with a male role model, and a female role model to study and learn from, so that they can understand the genders and gender interaction and courting rituals better.

As for the argument that they "often" grow up more accepting of others; so what? If the parents are doing their job right they should be open and accepting anyway.

 

WHICH IS NOT TO SAY I AM SET IN STONE ON THE TOPIC IF SOMEONE HAS ANOTHER POINT OF VIEW.

 

Precisely the same views as mine.

Yeah it had the word morality in it, I apologise for not reading it, but I get bored easy.

notes:
1. homosexuality is not a lifestyle choice, it's a born sexual preference
2. I do agree that the children deserve a happy home, even within a home where they would not get a biologically appropriate upbringing
3. disagree, MOST would just want to help, there are some who would do it for the political point. (only arguing absolutes here, not the point)

 

Unless someone is pansexual.

Oh, and I'm for it.

 

pan sexual? Do you mean bisexual, or "has a thing for Syrinx pipes and goat legs"?


just checked it out, so basically someone who doesn't care about any of the sexual hangups the rest of us have. someone totally free.

 

The Greek word "pan" means "all"
The god pan is from "paein"- infinitive meaning "to pasture", hence Pan is the god of shepherds

 

Also, for those who don't think homosexual couples should raise children...

what about one heterosexual person and one homosexual person having a child?
Eg a lesbian having a child with a straight man, where neither have another partner, and both take a role raising the child?

Is your objection based on the idea that children need two differently gendered parents?
How is this different to single parents?
Is it not possible for a child of gay parents to give their child masculine/feminine role models appart from themselves?

For the record I'm pro gay marriage and adoption. As in civil marriage btw.

 

That'd be absolutely fine with me, given that the child gets a same gender role model, and someone to learn about how to treat the other gender

Yes

Cannot stand single parents either. It tends to be really damn retarded. I've met far too many single mothers with very little sense of responsibility toward the child, constantly dumping the kid on their mother or a day care because they need to make money in order to support both. I am an advocate of a stay at home parent, regardless of the gender which stays at home.

It is possible within the bounds of "Anything is possible". It's not good sense. The parent is the one that they see most of the time and they tend to model themselves off of.

 

What about children with effeiminate fathers or masculine mothers?
Are they not getting a warped view of their gender?

 

By ‘ideal’ you mean socially accepted norm. The ideal is to have parents who love you unconditionally and who do everything they can to help you become the best you can be. The ideal is to live in a world where people are not judged on irrelevant aspects of their lives. I think the parents’ gender is irrelevant to their ability to raise a child.
You are suggesting that having homosexual parents results in gender identity issues? Gender is a social construct, a set of arbitrary definitions placed upon us in an attempt to make us conform to the expectations of less tolerant minds. While physical gender does impose certain limitations on a person I see no reason to impose more due to sexual identity. Those who identify with a gender other than that of their body may make them less usual, but it does not make them wrong, or less of a person. There is enough discrimination in this world already. I will not judge a person’s ability to raise a child just because of their gender or sexual orientation. There are so many heterosexual couples who should be sterilised and or just plain shot for what they subject their children to. If a couple (I still believe 2 parents is ideal, but accept there are many excellent single parents) want to raise a child together and they are responsible enough to do so I see no logical reason to prevent it. Would you truly rather children live in orphanages or rotate through many foster homes than have 2 dads?
Summary: There are lots of bad parents, there always will be. A person’s ability to parent is not linked to their gender. Even assuming gay parents are not ideal, they are still better than other alternatives that we accept in our world.
Moving on;
Children of gay parents may have gender identity problems. Oh really, do you know this for a fact? Have you ever met the child of a gay couple?
Children of a gay couple may be exposed to a dangerous lifestyle. So may the children of parents in a war zone, drug dealers, mafia and even ordinary heterosexual parents. I assume you refer to the reputation for homosexuals to be promiscuous and unprotected during sex? This may well be the case; therefore we should prohibit ALL promiscuous and unprotected people from having children! (I don’t disagree with this, I’m just saying it’s a not an issue of orientation, but of lifestyle choice) I agree tolerance of dangerous behaviour allows it to spread. Tolerance of well adjusted loving couples who do no harm to anyone is to be aspired to. HIV/AIDS spreads because 90% people are stupid and selfish, not because 10% of people are gay.
Bad parents come in all shapes and sizes, and so do good parents. There are many reasons to prevent people from becoming parents. Until we can stop all non-ideal parents from breeding how can we condemn homosexual parents?
And yes, I would fully support the enforcement of breeding being restricted to people who could pass a standardised test.


Also it always amuses me who Christians, who pride model their lives on Jesus would judge and exclude people, when Jesus himself would have embraced them.

I'm also guessing part of the fear around homosexual parents is the idea that they would make the children gay? Firstly this is not the case, secondly why should it matter if it was? This means you are judging that homosexuality is all out wrong, and not just different.

 

would it be possible to rewrite that without making assumptions on what the other person means?

 

Ah, yes...don't worry I irritated myself there.
I made assumptions about other peoples assumptions to save time (I'm at work)
I made an ass out of u and me


I'll work on it

 

Hows this:


Two differently gendered parents is ideal:
The ideal is to have parents who love you unconditionally and who do everything they can to help you become the best you can be.

Homosexual parents results in gender identity issues in children:
Heterosexual parents can have children with gender identity issues as well. Correlation does not equal causality.

Children of a gay couple may be exposed to a dangerous lifestyle:
See previous answer