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Do other INFJ's have issues with your doctors?

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As a recent confirmed INFJ all my medical dilemmas finally make sense. I've been sick my whole life. Not with just the normal stuff - really odd things too that were never explained. Being female I had a good bit of medical issues as far as that goes and was basically called a liar and they thought I was seeking pain meds. Whoops...turns out I needed surgery and so on. I've always had lots of issues. I think its half internalizing things and making myself ill and probably a good bit just manifested by my brain because I'm so leery. I've been thought to have cancer, lupus and do have raynaud's syndrome and suffer from migraines. I just can't seem to get a doctor that will listen to me either. They have thrown every pill in the book at me and I usually am the 1% that has some crazy freaking reaction that makes it worse than it started. Maybe this is normal for our type? Do others react so odd to medications? I'm not even sure I know where this thread was meant to go. I'm just so frustrated and figure I'm not the only one having these issues. I've just been given topamax for migraine prevention. I'm a zombie and run out of breath in two seconds. This is following countless other medications I've been given over the years. Calcium channel blockers, Gabapentin, Vicadin, Lexapro, Amatripytaline, Xanax, Ambien, Lunesta, Tradazone... this is in the past few years. I know this is TMI. Just wondered if there was anyone who is experiencing all this and can relate to the frustration. I'm jealous of people who sail through life without ER visits and drawers full of prescriptions.
 
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I do have issues with my doctors. Mostly because the majority that I've seen are highly illogical. Which is why I've taken to studying psychology and physiology etc.

I'm not sure what issues you are having so I don't know if I can relate any of my problems to yours. Unless you just mean being sick often in general with no known cause? I do feel for you though. My experiences with therapists/doctors/psychiatrists have been the same as the frustrations you've experienced with doctors. They don't want to listen and keep trying to throw different drugs my way.
 
Being female I had a good bit of medical issues as far as that goes and was basically called a liar and they thought I was seeking pain meds.

LOL. Doctors are tools. I have this really good story where I had to go the emergency room for this really bad migraine and everyone there thought I was just trying to score pain meds (even though I kept repeating, over and over, 'all I need is an imitrex, all I need is an imitrex'. I don't think they knew what that was.) Three hours later, when I finally got my medicine, although it was the middle of the night and the emergency room was mostly empty, the nurse wouldn't let me stay there until the symptoms wore off; I had to walk home because I couldn't see well enough to drive. Months later, I received a bill for 700 dollars, ostensibly so that I would 'learn my lesson' and never come to the emergency room asking for pain meds again. I will never pay that bill. Memorial Hospital can go fuck itself.

Doctors are morons, and so are most of the medical community. Here's a vid about CFS which should cheer you up a bit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=fiuqTx0u-Yw


I took topamax for three years and eventually had to quit because I couldn't remember things anymore. I had awful migraines, so at the time I really, really needed it, but still, the side effects really sucked.

Most drugs really suck anyhow. All the research is totally biased; have you ever read any of those 'research papers' written my the pharmaceutical companies? LOL. I've had some good luck with herbs and have been able to go off of prescription medication altogether the past two years or so. Feverfew and riboflavin seem to work especially well for migraines, for example. You should PM me and we can talk.
 
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Now I will vent a little bit about doctors!

My mom recently had an unusual episode in which she was driving and became confused and agitated and had a confrontation with another driver (we are now thinking it was heat exhaustion and low blood sugar..)

I took her to the ER, where the ER doctor proceeded to tell her she may have had a stroke or a brain tumor.
She started crying and said, "Is it possible my blood sugar dropped? I hadn't eaten all day and I felt really jittery and drank juice and felt a little better."
The doctor told her, "No. You aren't diabetic and even if you hadn't eaten in more than a day, your blood sugar would not have dropped unless someone was poisoning you with insulin."
Really good bed-side manner this guy had. I wanted to jump the stretcher and slap him then, as my mom is crying, "There is something wrong with my brain."

They admit her, put her in a room for three days, administer every test you can possibly imagine--send in a neurologist to consult with her for five minutes..and then just let her sit there for days.
No doctor ever explains anything to her...

And we're thinking, "Ok, you told us she could have a brain tumor or she could have had a stroke, and yet no one comes in to tell us anything?"
It was so horrible, my mom sat there for days terrified she had a serious problem. They did a really shitty job of empowering the patient with knowledge. It was like they had to keep everything a secret, or maybe they all had no clue.
We're still totally confused about whole ordeal, but thankfully, my mom is fine now.

So after three days I went off on a nurse and accused the hospital of milking the insurance company and neglecting my mother (I really lost my cool...not a proud moment..) But I guess I used the magic words of "neglect" and "insurance fraud" because FINALLY!!!!! after three days-- my mom's primary care physician gets involved and has another neurologist come in to consult with my mom... who tells her they couldn't find anything wrong... and then releases her.
The only actual diagnosis we ever received was that she was dehydrated when she went to the ER.

Here is the thing.. They ran up an astronomical hospital bill doing all those tests and keeping her there (which the insurance company paid for) and I'm glad they did all the tests, but--
my mother's primary care physician told her after wards that the first neurologist was ready to diagnose her as having "road rage" and recommend a psychiatrist.
It's scary how much faith we put into doctors.

Years ago, I had a doctor practically beg me to go on zoloft after I told him I felt sick all the time, couldn't control my blood sugars, and couldn't get out of bed. He was trying to persuade me that I was depressed. I'm not exaggerating. I told him countless times I did not want to take zoloft due to the side effects and that I thought it might be something physiological.
I said, "No, I think it's insulin-related.. But if I am depressed, I'd rather talk to someone first than take pills."
He wouldn't write me a referral for a psychologist, just wanted to dole out some zoloft.
I quit going to him after that. I went to an endocrinologist who told me the other one had me on the wrong medication, and I felt better after I got on track with that.

I don't think it's an INFJ thing. I think sometimes you just get bad doctors--ones who don't really listen to their patients. Maybe some of these doctors think that their knowledge trumps their patients' actual experiences, and so they totally discount their patients' concerns and experiences. Maybe they are burned out and it's easier to rely on what they have studied rather than actually listening to the person they are treating and assessing them with that knowledge.
 
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I feel for anyone who has had frustrating and painful experiences with healthcare professionals.
I think as in any profession or line of work, some doctors nurses etc. don't know their jam, and others do. Some are corrupt, others are not. Some care, others don't. Some practice with integrity, others do not. Etc. The best thing that can probably be said is to not treat healthcare providers as gods who will fix the body, but as partners in doing so, and to seek someone else if the current ones suck. There is no reason anyone should have to put up with substandard care, or healthcare staff who diminish one's sense of confidence, trust in one's body, or sense of self.

To answer your question, @mysolitude , I haven't had quite the same experiences with HCPs, but I feel frustrated by the limited models by which they tend to operate, as I sometimes feel as though they don't know enough or are short-sighted in what they will consider.

Slightly off-topic, but I find it odd that we call dr's by their last names, yet other healthcare professionals by their first.
 
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I usually only go to a doctor when I already know what's wrong with me and I need them to make it "official". I don't like doctors who take the exploratory, "let's see" approach when I go to them with an ailment unless I'm also clueless.

My suggestion for your situation though, is a documentary called "Food Matters". Just about everything you mentioned is touched upon in there.
 
ive been to the doctor like 3 times in my whole life xD
 
I haven't, but my INFJ mom has. She was was diagnosed with hypothyroidism years ago and has always had high blood pressure and felt fatigued most of the time. They gave her medication to treat the hypothyroidism and high blood pressure, but never looked it into what could be the cause of it. They should have been doing tests for autoimmune disorders. When she told her sister (who is not a doctor) about her symptoms, her sister said it sounded like celiac disease. So my mom went in to get tested for it and they said something like "do you know that's rare and blah blah blah we're doctors you hypochondriac nut. Did you read this on mayoclinic?" It came back positive...She doesn't need any medication anymore with a gluten free diet.

Also a woman in my psychology class last semester said her friend's mother went to the doctor complaining about pain and saying something was seriously wrong. They told her it was all psychosomatic because she had a history of mental illness, and so they put her in a psych ward. Later it turned out she was in the final stages of pancreatic cancer. Oops...
 
Yes.

I was always physically healthy growing up, and never experienced much in the wy of physical health problems till I get pregnant. Then I got really really sick. I kept getting rushed into the hospital...they thought it might be my kidneys. I went into labour 3 months early christmas eve, they kept me in and stopped the labour, but told me that I had a problem with my kidneys and was going to need to see a specialist. It was christmas eve, I was pregnant and alone with no one to stay with me. I cried all night. I asked the doctor in the morning about my condition and he looked at me like I had 5 heads and said there was no problem with my kidneys. They threw anti biotics at me for the rest of my pregnancy and ignored the problem tellign me it was "random pregnancy pain".

This so called random pregnancy pain continued after the birth of my daighter. It got really bad. I felt like I was in labour for 13 hours at a time including vommiting etc. For 9 months I was going to the ER sometimes up to 4 times a week and they did nothing. I lay in agony for hours while they would do urinalysis, xrays and then throw me some shitty pain meds that did nothing and send me on my way.

After 9 months I went in in a really bad way. It was getting progressively worse. I was in agony and I couldn't stop vomiting. They tried to tell me it might be emotional issues before deciding it was most likely an ulcer and arranging for me to have an endoscpe done. Theysent me home in the wee hours o the morning, but the pain and vomiting wouldn't stop. Long story short I ended up back in ER the next day. The doctor asked if I had dark or bloody stool, I said yes it was dark....so he shoves his finger up my ass for a sample, and then when he saw said sample got pissed off and yelled at me telling me there was no blood. After he did the test he was sheepish saying there was in fact blood present. Douche wad. They then told me I could leave. I was getting ready to walk out the door (clearly jaundiced) when a surgeon sprinted over to me breathless telling me that my blood work had come back critical and I was going to need to be admitted immidiately.

I had gallbladder disease that had gone ignored for 2 years. Beacause it had gone ignored and untreated it had spread to my pancreas and given me pancreatitis. I was really ill, and could have died had they let me o on my way. I was in hospital for weeks on morphine, at home in bed for weeks waiting on surery and then very ill again and back in hiospital after my surery.

My health hasn't been the same since. I've been very ill and been to the doctor non stop since. My body doesn't work properly anymore. I have no energy, a host of symptoms and despite eating double what I should I have no fat. I have lost so much weight that I really can't afford to lose anymore. Even my boobs are disappearing, and yet the doctors still won't take me seriousy. I've had a bunch of tests run, but only after demanding them.

They don't want to do anything "invasive" and seem happy to let me go on and lead a life of poor quality.

I'm at a point where I don't know where to turn. Friends and family are all very worried about me, but I don't know where to go to get the help I could need.

The medical community is a bit of a joke in my opnion. I don't trust doctors for a second. You really do need to be in control of your health...I wouldn't trust blindly myself!
 
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Wow I just have got a sec to jump on here but can't wait to get back on and read all these! Thanks for your responses and I feel all your pain with healthcare professionals. Now that I have zero insurance its especially challenging. Good luck to all...
 
There is no reason anyone should have to put up with substandard care, or healthcare staff who diminish one's sense of confidence, trust in one's body, or sense of self.

I have fibromyalgia, and I have yet to meet a doctor who has had something to say radically different than they usual "I believe that you believe that you are in pain..." kind of schlep. They're all trained at the same 50 schools or so; there's not room for that much intellectual nonconformity.



Maybe they are burned out and it's easier to rely on what they have studied rather than actually listening to the person they are treating and assessing them with that knowledge.

I'm pretty sure it's lack of empathy more than anything else. Most docs come from privileged backgrounds and powerful people tend to be dicks, just because they can. My dad's a doc, and he can't imagine for the life of him why I would be so unhappy trying to pay the bills from a minimum wage job. When he came to visit back in the day, he used to chide me for not decorating my apartment more. So that kind of mindset.
 
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I've not been too bad with my health thus far into my life

*touches wood*

But I do not like doctors by and large. When I was little more than a baby my family doctor tried to diagnose me with asthma without even seeing me. He said to give me an inhaler when he saw my brother. My brother didn't have asthma, either.

Also his name was Dr. Payne which was...ominous.

Like I said, I haven't had to see doctors many times and never for anything very serious like Neverwhere was describing but I have been for minor things and they kept asking me whether I smoked or not. I do but try to keep it to when drinking though that doesn't really work but I tell doctors "No" and leave it at that. I've been asked every time I have been now for totally unrelated things and always said 'No'. One doctor in Leicester where I study asked before I had even said why I was there and when I said "No" pushed it more saying "Never?" to which I replied that I had "when I was younger, once or twice". She then tried to put in my file that I was an "ex-smoker" but I insisted she put "Non-smoker".

I said to my housemate that they're getting ready to cut NHS treatment for smokers because they had been asking too much - I could tell something was up.

Lo and behold: http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/apr/28/doctors-treatment-denial-smokers-obese

I have a good doctor now (I think). He did my medical when I was going skydiving and didn't ask me about smoking (lol). He's got loads of Hindu things around his office and seems pretty good - not a stooge like the others. When it becomes more about money than medicine it is worrying because the system in the USA with health insurance looks horrendous. The NHS is one the best things ever and I hate to see it get destroyed...and by doctors, too!

TL;DR - I don't really trust doctors. Too many are only interested in deh monies.
 
I have fibromyalgia, and I have yet to meet a doctor who has had something to say radically different than they usual "I believe that you believe that you are in pain..." kind of schlep. They're all trained at the same 50 schools or so; there's not room for that much intellectual nonconformity.

Yeah, that sucks. That's why I say keep looking.
Hence also my question earlier about alternate medicine and seeing a naturopath (not neurologist).... they may be more inclined to believe you.
 
Yeah, that sucks. That's why I say keep looking.
Hence also my question earlier about alternate medicine and seeing a naturopath (not neurologist).... they may be more inclined to believe you.

Alternate "medicine" isn't really medicine at all, otherwise it wouldn't be called alternate. Medicine is medicine. Some doctors are just stupid. Others are really smart. This is the same with any other profession. Although, if naturopath is classified as medicine still, then it's definitely a good option. Not all doctors are good enough to deal with things like fibromyalgia. It's not like treating a broken bone.
 
Alternate "medicine" isn't really medicine at all, otherwise it wouldn't be called alternate. Medicine is medicine. Some doctors are just stupid. Others are really smart. This is the same with any other profession. Although, if naturopath is classified as medicine still, then it's definitely a good option. Not all doctors are good enough to deal with things like fibromyalgia. It's not like treating a broken bone.

There was a spelling error, and I meant alternative. :)
I'm not sure if you're arguing the use of the term, or the logic of the use of the term. It seems like the former, but as far as I know, that is the term applied to non-allopathic approaches to medicine here. Naturopathic doctors are licensed healthcare professionals, although I don't know if the licensing is as stringent as with allopathic M.D.s

And yeah, not all doctor's are skilled and some are better at treating certain things than others.

@alice144 Is there perhaps a support group in your area or online, or a local branch supporting fibromyalgia research that may be able to point you toward more capable medical care?
 
I have always had an issue with doctors. I rarely ever see them, maybe a handful of times to get medical certificates and they always try to give me drugs that i dont want or need. Or they completely dont listen to me or understand what im saying. And i hate it when they check information on the internet. WTF, i can do that at home! Many of them are sell outs and pushing drugs for pharmaceutical companies. Here in Oz, a standard appt lasts for 10 mins. Thats pretty lame. Its just in and out, barely any questioning or care. Ive had many bad experiences with docs related to my family and friends. I used to go to my mums, ex partner, and my sister's appts with them after they kept continously getting ignored and misdiagnosed. I had to take my younger sister (she was 14-15 at the time) to 14 different doctors before someone finally diagnosed her with gall stones and then she had to be taken into hospital immediately for surgery. My mum went to see doctors for years about her head aches before she was finally diagnosed with a terminal brain tumour, with same day brain surgery and given 3 months to live.

Im sure there are good doctors out there, I have met 2 personally over my life. Overall i disagree with their basic philosphy and approach to the body, health and medicine. I dont believe in symptom supression as a means of good health. In fact i think thats a part of everything that is wrong with our culture. Health needs to be addressed holistically in terms of past history, current lifestyle, emotional and mental health, diet, and individual genetic characteristics. Pay attention to your life and your body. Find the root and treat it, prevention is better than cure. I am very biased as im studying naturopathy and I absolutely love it, although of course it has certain flaws like all schools of thought

Overall in terms of orthodox or conventional medicine, id like to see more nutritionists and nurses around. Nurses always seem to do most of the work anyway. Maybe more of a nurse/doctor hybrid. Rather than so many general practioner doctors, i think it would be better if they were all more specialised in a certain area.
 
Hence also my question earlier about alternate medicine and seeing a naturopath (not neurologist).... they may be more inclined to believe you.

Not if you're broke and you're on your parents' crappy insurance! Those people charge a lot! But yeah, I've seen some acupuncturists and it's super and I highly recommend it. Massage helps too.


@alice144 Is there perhaps a support group in your area or online, or a local branch supporting fibromyalgia research that may be able to point you toward more capable medical care?

Thanks for the interest! There is one person in the entire country who runs a chronic fatigue clinic. I've actually been considering moving to California to see if he can help me at all.


((cue: follow the yellow brick road. follow, follow, follow, follow, follow the yellow brick road. lol))
 
Yes.

I was always physically healthy growing up, and never experienced much in the wy of physical health problems till I get pregnant. Then I got really really sick. I kept getting rushed into the hospital...they thought it might be my kidneys. I went into labour 3 months early christmas eve, they kept me in and stopped the labour, but told me that I had a problem with my kidneys and was going to need to see a specialist. It was christmas eve, I was pregnant and alone with no one to stay with me. I cried all night. I asked the doctor in the morning about my condition and he looked at me like I had 5 heads and said there was no problem with my kidneys. They threw anti biotics at me for the rest of my pregnancy and ignored the problem tellign me it was "random pregnancy pain".

This so called random pregnancy pain continued after the birth of my daighter. It got really bad. I felt like I was in labour for 13 hours at a time including vommiting etc. For 9 months I was going to the ER sometimes up to 4 times a week and they did nothing. I lay in agony for hours while they would do urinalysis, xrays and then throw me some shitty pain meds that did nothing and send me on my way.

After 9 months I went in in a really bad way. It was getting progressively worse. I was in agony and I couldn't stop vomiting. They tried to tell me it might be emotional issues before deciding it was most likely an ulcer and arranging for me to have an endoscpe done. Theysent me home in the wee hours o the morning, but the pain and vomiting wouldn't stop. Long story short I ended up back in ER the next day. The doctor asked if I had dark or bloody stool, I said yes it was dark....so he shoves his finger up my ass for a sample, and then when he saw said sample got pissed off and yelled at me telling me there was no blood. After he did the test he was sheepish saying there was in fact blood present. Douche wad. They then told me I could leave. I was getting ready to walk out the door (clearly jaundiced) when a surgeon sprinted over to me breathless telling me that my blood work had come back critical and I was going to need to be admitted immidiately.

I had gallbladder disease that had gone ignored for 2 years. Beacause it had gone ignored and untreated it had spread to my pancreas and given me pancreatitis. I was really ill, and could have died had they let me o on my way. I was in hospital for weeks on morphine, at home in bed for weeks waiting on surery and then very ill again and back in hiospital after my surery.

My health hasn't been the same since. I've been very ill and been to the doctor non stop since. My body doesn't work properly anymore. I have no energy, a host of symptoms and despite eating double what I should I have no fat. I have lost so much weight that I really can't afford to lose anymore. Even my boobs are disappearing, and yet the doctors still won't take me seriousy. I've had a bunch of tests run, but only after demanding them.

They don't want to do anything "invasive" and seem happy to let me go on and lead a life of poor quality.

I'm at a point where I don't know where to turn. Friends and family are all very worried about me, but I don't know where to go to get the help I could need.

The medical community is a bit of a joke in my opnion. I don't trust doctors for a second. You really do need to be in control of your health...I wouldn't trust blindly myself!

Oh my god! You had to deal with that and adjust to your new baby. I am so sorry. Thats a nightmare.
 
In my experience, doctors are condescending pricks. Probably not worth your time or money unless you think you're going to die. For every thing else I normally google homeopathic remedies, or natural cures, read the relevant literature myself, then go shopping.
 
I hate doctors with a passion. I will only go if it's an absolute emergency.

Most of the time, they just leave the patient in worse shape than they came in.

It's all about the $$$$$.

Like Jack, I prefer natural remedies, and they typically do work. I also go to a chiropractor for my back and knee issues.