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Baring Clinton being indicted and thrown In jail where she belongs, in which case I believe it will be one straw closer to civil war... it appears now as if it will be a match up between these two.

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Trump will blast away Clinton. Bottom line, it will be tremendous. I have a lot of friends and they tell me "the, trump is your man. He's a winner, thank donald trump for me. I am so glad that he is gonna make America great again." And let me tell you, it's true. He's a winner. He's tired of seeing America losing, he's a winner, he came into this election to win. It's tremendous.
 
Hillary does not belong "in jail" If we are really talking abut which US public figures should be serving jail time, we should start with Cheney/Bush. Hillary's indiscretions amount to nothing by comparison.

The bottom line is that Hillary is only serious candidate that is fit for the presidency by temperament or intellect. Neither Trump or Cruz are capable of running an administration that will be anything short of a disaster. The sooner Americans understand this reality the better the world will be. The work Obama started needs to be continued. Somehow I don't think she is up to the task, but at least she is unlikely to screw things up too badly
 
I don't think she is up to the task, but at least she is unlikely to screw things up too badly

With endorsements like this, it's no wonder there is no faith in the election system.
 
Hillary does not belong "in jail" If we are really talking abut which US public figures should be serving jail time, we should start with Cheney/Bush. Hillary's indiscretions amount to nothing by comparison.

The bottom line is that Hillary is only serious candidate that is fit for the presidency by temperament or intellect. Neither Trump or Cruz are capable of running an administration that will be anything short of a disaster. The sooner Americans understand this reality the better the world will be. The work Obama started needs to be continued. Somehow I don't think she is up to the task, but at least she is unlikely to screw things up too badly

Not talking about past Presidents or administrations. This is about Hillary and Turnip. And Hillary absolutely belongs in jail no questions asked.
 
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I'm just hoping America does not put the hillster in charge just for the sake of having the very first woman president. "progress" for the sake of progress is ridiculous, but it seems like we have to do things that way now. put a PC principle first over common sense and choosing the best qualified human for the job.

(this next bit is irrelevant ...but, I also just don't want to have to listen to that grating yelling harpy over the next couple years. yikes. one word from her is enough to make me reach for the mute button and feel all uppity and anxious.)
 
Not talking about past Presidents or administrations. This is about Hillary and Turnip. And Hillary absolutely belongs in jail no questions asked.

Hillary belongs in jail? Prove it! Prove that she has done something that is any worse than any of the others. The so called e-mail scandal is nothing and will amount to nothing.

I'm just hoping America does not put the hillster in charge just for the sake of having the very first woman president. "progress" for the sake of progress is ridiculous, but it seems like we have to do things that way now. put a PC principle first over common sense and choosing the best qualified human for the job.

Out of the two choices Americans will be presented with she is the best qualified and most competent. There is no "PC principle" at play here. Have you actually listened to Trump speak?
 
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Hillary belongs in jail? Prove it! Prove that she has done something that is any worse than any of the others. The so called e-mail scandal is nothing and will amount to nothing.



Out of the two choices Americans will be presented with she is the best qualified and most competent. There is no "PC principle" at play here. Have you actually listened to Trump speak?

The email scandal is e everything. No one is above the law and with the little information given to the public we already know without doubt the law has been broken.
 
Out of the two choices Americans will be presented with she is the best qualified and most competent. There is no "PC principle" at play here. Have you actually listened to Trump speak?

if she continues to use her sex as an attribute / novelty to win, does that make her a qualified candidate or a prostitute? or are we REQUIRED by PC indoctrination to support her candidacy because she is a woman?

yes I have heard trump speak. he speaks at an octave that my ears can actually register lol

ideally neither of them work for me. but we have to choose one or the other apparently. I certainly have had more than enough of the hillmeister.

the sad thing is that our culture has declined so completely that we must rely on the person who has the better novelty to win. it's all novelty. there is no substance in things politic. smoke and mirrors, all of it. reality show culture. :(
 
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Hillary does not belong "in jail" If we are really talking abut which US public figures should be serving jail time, we should start with Cheney/Bush. Hillary's indiscretions amount to nothing by comparison.

The bottom line is that Hillary is only serious candidate that is fit for the presidency by temperament or intellect. Neither Trump or Cruz are capable of running an administration that will be anything short of a disaster. The sooner Americans understand this reality the better the world will be. The work Obama started needs to be continued. Somehow I don't think she is up to the task, but at least she is unlikely to screw things up too badly

Need I post that video on hillary's inconsistency again ? I really think that if hillary is chosen to be the next president, WE WILL see her start a new war, and I honestly believe she is stupid enough to start a false flag with Russia at the urging of the establishment.

Hillary belongs in jail? Prove it! Prove that she has done something that is any worse than any of the others. The so called e-mail scandal is nothing and will amount to nothing.
Out of the two choices Americans will be presented with she is the best qualified and most competent. There is no "PC principle" at play here. Have you actually listened to Trump speak?

Alright, If you read through those emails you will see she seems to be instigating the destruction of libya or to be involved in the decisions there to. This woman, destroyed the lives of millions, shes never been consistent in her entire life on any issue and you believe that this warmongering, power hungry creep is going to be americas best option for it's next president?

I have heard trump speak. He speaks plainly so even the most stupid person can understand. You may twist however you see his words, but at least between the two of them he is the least likely to bring america to its blundering ruined knees by deciding to take on another superpower that they cannot begin to hope to match, with the ruin that has been wrought on its current military, allied countries and foreign support. Which Is exactly what I believe hillary is inclined to do. Think about it, she is the perfect pawn to use for starting a war like that. Trump might not be the guy you'd chose should there be better options, but hell, as someone who is not american, I'd vote trump just because I believe he is less inclined to start another war and might actually make america go back to its roots of minding its own business unless another World War starts.

This is very much about foreign policy. Because america's foreign policy has deteriorated since WW2. It's turned from defensive to aggressive and expansionist. It "strong arms nations that do not do what we want them to do" (obama's words not mine) and keeps dragging europe into wars. Do you think the Anti-EU sentiment is just against the EU in europe ? you are you mistaken if you do. What the world needs from america is a president that fixes for as much as possible, the wrongs it has committed thus far in its foreign relations, adjusts US rhetoric to be less aggressive and negotiates mutually beneficial deals in order to reduce the tensions worldwide and in particular within europe. We are between two superpowers, with america provoking the other like some psychotic bully on land. That means if push comes to shove, the war will be fought in european skies and on european soil.

In case you have not noticed, Hillary is extremely unpopular in the Anti-Eu factions in europe. Trump has a chance and has expressed a will to mend burned bridges. Because mistake me not, the next World War will see europe divided more than ever before as the US is rapidly losing support amongst the common people. The common people, even the most socialist PC among us, are struggling to not allow themselves to embrace far right nationalist policies with the current issues we are facing. And all of us know, that it is our bending over for america that is behind the most recent spike of refugees, whether we like to admit it or not.

As such, I think you need to consider this fact and what influence the choice of who america's next president will be, will have. Hillary will most definitely be fuel for the tensions whereas Trump might actually have a positive effect should he reduce tensions and end this new cold war we're in. Hillary has already stated that putin has no soul and that she is not willing to perform her duties as a politician with regards to russia. And who knows? perhaps if trump is chosen, all that PC bullshit will finally end and people can speak the truth again without getting a shitstorm for it, or like in sweden be assaulted by leftist extremists.

Personally I'd prefer Bernie Sanders as the next US president as I believe he will be hands off of foreign policy should he be chosen and tensions would lessen as he's known to be completely against all wars. I also think the EU, would be left to sort this shit out itself, which will either mean our self destruction, or the rise of a new nation that actually becomes decisive on what must be done for the good of Europe. I'd prefer the choice to be ours for as much as that is possible, and that would mean bernie sanders.

But hey all of that is just my opinion and conjecture, and who the hell am I ?
I'm just someone who hopes that should hillary win, that he'll be proven wrong and you will be proven right.
 
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Prove that she has done something that is any worse than any of the others.

They should all be imprisoned. Its not a contest of who did the worst.
 
Alright, If you read through those emails you will see she seems to be instigating the destruction of libya or to be involved in the decisions there to. This woman, destroyed the lives of millions, shes never been consistent in her entire life on any issue and you believe that this warmongering, power hungry creep is going to be americas best option for it's next president?

Lets be real here. Hillary isn't the one who started an illegal war, who traded arms of hostages, who did a whole laundry list of illegal activities that the Republicans have been proven to be guilty of and yet few Americans have any objections to voting for that party.

Lets face Trump is an idiot, a dangerous idiot because he only listens to himself. The presidency is not an entry level position, he lacks experience and he lacks substance, and he is in way over his head. Americans who consider voting for him are dangerously deluded and dare I say uninformed. They think he just some of alpha-male who gets things done or believe that somehow his "success" in business will translate into success for the country. Then there's the distrust of the experts and the allure of the untainted outsider who will correct everything and clean up all the corruption. Too bad its a fantasy. I beg Americans to listen, actually listen to him. Aside from platitudes there is nothing there, he really has no plan, no policy positions, and no clue about how government works, how foreign relations and foreign policy actually work. The reality many many more serious mistakes and miscalculations are made because of incompetence rather than corruption. Vote for him and that's what you will get.
 
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Lets be real here. Hillary isn't the one who started an illegal war, who traded arms of hostages, who did a whole laundry list of illegal activities that the Republicans have been proven to be guilty of and yet few Americans have any objections to voting for that party.

Lets face Trump is an idiot, a dangerous idiot because he only listens to himself. The presidency is not an entry level position, he lacks experience and he lacks substance, and he is in way over his head. Americans who consider voting for him are dangerously deluded and dare I say uninformed. They think he just some of alpha-male who gets things done or believe that somehow his "success" in business will translate into success for the country. Then there's the distrust of the experts and the allure of the untainted outsider who will correct everything and clean up all the corruption. Too bad its a fantasy. I beg Americans to listen, actually listen to him. Aside from platitudes there is nothing there, he really has no plan, no policy positions, and no clue about how government works, how foreign relations and foreign policy actually work. The reality many many more serious mistakes and miscalculations are made because of incompetence rather than corruption. Vote for him and that's what you will get.

Wel if we make it about parties then all american candidates should not be allowed a shot at becoming president. ;p I recommend you read hillarys letters. IT's a bit much but you can filter on keywords and reduce it to subjects relevant, though some keywords seem not to work unless you refresh the page. It will also give you some insight on who you wish to be the next US president and those working for and with her.

You may call trump whatever you want, however that does not change my view or that of many others of hillary. Perhaps you do have a point on the many of the serious mistakes being made on miscalculations and incompetence instead of corruption. My view of the american government has primarily always been severe incompetence because they failed to prevent getting involved with other people's wars. But the question then still begs to differ, who will best run the country and reflect the will of the majority of its people. Unfortunately, I've got to say I think that is still Trump. Hillary has vocally on television never been consistent, and only says she supports public opinion but when you look at those emails, and dates of signatures written on documents then you will see she only says what people want to hear whilst doing whatever she wants regardless. Hillary has absolutely no issue with lying to anyone as long as it gains her votes.

What hillary does, to me is a violation of trust. That is a doorslam worthy offence. And seeing her lie this much, this frequently, I cannot believe anyone would want to give this person the reign over a nation. It's mostly the lies and inconsistency that make me dislike her this much. I can respect an someone who is just an asshole, but not someone who lies to my face over and over and then pretends its not true even with video evidence. If she had come out as a total asshole like trump, but rarely lied, then I'd not have had a real issue with her.

I completely agree though that if its between hillary and trump, there is no good option and it is only a choice between which is the lesser evil.
 
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Hillary does not belong "in jail" If we are really talking abut which US public figures should be serving jail time, we should start with Cheney/Bush. Hillary's indiscretions amount to nothing by comparison.

The bottom line is that Hillary is only serious candidate that is fit for the presidency by temperament or intellect. Neither Trump or Cruz are capable of running an administration that will be anything short of a disaster. The sooner Americans understand this reality the better the world will be. The work Obama started needs to be continued. Somehow I don't think she is up to the task, but at least she is unlikely to screw things up too badly

I think the Clintons and the Bushes are equally heinous. Both families are involved in secret society, illegal arms deals, drugs & sex trafficking, false flags, propaganda, domestic terrorism, international war crimes etc etc. .. I think the Clintons are even more active in those regards today than even the Bushes.

[video=youtube;V1IjiIzUEhE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1IjiIzUEhE[/video]

Lets be real here. Hillary isn't the one who started an illegal war, who traded arms of hostages, who did a whole laundry list of illegal activities that the Republicans have been proven to be guilty of and yet few Americans have any objections to voting for that party.

Lets face Trump is an idiot, a dangerous idiot because he only listens to himself. The presidency is not an entry level position, he lacks experience and he lacks substance, and he is in way over his head. Americans who consider voting for him are dangerously deluded and dare I say uninformed. They think he just some of alpha-male who gets things done or believe that somehow his "success" in business will translate into success for the country. Then there's the distrust of the experts and the allure of the untainted outsider who will correct everything and clean up all the corruption. Too bad its a fantasy. I beg Americans to listen, actually listen to him. Aside from platitudes there is nothing there, he really has no plan, no policy positions, and no clue about how government works, how foreign relations and foreign policy actually work. The reality many many more serious mistakes and miscalculations are made because of incompetence rather than corruption. Vote for him and that's what you will get.

[video=youtube;rrqqQAfenUo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrqqQAfenUo[/video]
 
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[video=youtube;-TmNy5SPcj8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TmNy5SPcj8[/video]
I found this a very entertaining compilation on hilary :p the clips are what they are. (funny as fuck)


actually the further in I am into the documentary the more I fear the possibility of her getting into the oval office.
 
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(this next bit is irrelevant ...but, I also just don't want to have to listen to that grating yelling harpy over the next couple years. yikes. one word from her is enough to make me reach for the mute button and feel all uppity and anxious.)

[video=youtube;9Rha6Wamfp0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Rha6Wamfp0[/video]

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Unfortunately, I've got to say I think that is still Trump. Hillary has vocally on television never been consistent, and only says she supports public opinion but when you look at those emails, and dates of signatures written on documents then you will see she only says what people want to hear whilst doing whatever she wants regardless. Hillary has absolutely no issue with lying to anyone as long as it gains her votes.
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I had to laugh at that particular section of text. It's not the first time I've heard this sentiment. I think if you believe any of them are above this, you're deluded. Every candidate is the exact same in this regard -- they all tell the people what they want to hear to get the votes. It's politics 101. We're always asked to vote for the most attractive lies.
 
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Lets be real here. Hillary isn't the one who started an illegal war, who traded arms of hostages, who did a whole laundry list of illegal activities that the Republicans have been proven to be guilty of and yet few Americans have any objections to voting for that party.

Lets face Trump is an idiot, a dangerous idiot because he only listens to himself. The presidency is not an entry level position, he lacks experience and he lacks substance, and he is in way over his head. Americans who consider voting for him are dangerously deluded and dare I say uninformed. They think he just some of alpha-male who gets things done or believe that somehow his "success" in business will translate into success for the country. Then there's the distrust of the experts and the allure of the untainted outsider who will correct everything and clean up all the corruption. Too bad its a fantasy. I beg Americans to listen, actually listen to him. Aside from platitudes there is nothing there, he really has no plan, no policy positions, and no clue about how government works, how foreign relations and foreign policy actually work. The reality many many more serious mistakes and miscalculations are made because of incompetence rather than corruption. Vote for him and that's what you will get.

Hillary voted for the Iraq war. Hillary also had direct influence as to how things went down in Lybia. Your thought process is skewed by what you want to be true, not what is.
 
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I had to laugh at that particular section of text. It's not the first time I've heard this sentiment. I think if you believe any of them are above this, you're deluded. Every candidate is the exact same in this regard -- they all tell the people what they want to hear to get the votes. It's politics 101. We're always asked to vote for the most attractive lies.

True but Hilary flaunts it. Either because she thinks people are to stupid to see, because she simply doesnt care or because she doesn't even know shes doing it. Whatever the reason she is a compulsive liar.
Its so bad that even CNN also known as the Clinton News Network grilled her on this during the debates. When your own people flail you, something is very wrong.
 
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