Ascension/Awakening

[muir]

A positive thought regarding possible controls on the internet is that these shifts were occuring before the internet.

There has been an increase in interest in spiritual pursuits and the occult and there have been massive protest movements before the internet, however the internet has been a catalyst, which is why it has become a new battleground

I am all for the unifying of people around the world, but with that also comes risk as the powers that be have always sought to coopt any movement and any break down in national borders would be seen by them as an opportunity for them to instal a centrally planned economy run by them. They might even call such a system 'socialism' but it wouldn't be socialism it would be more akin to fascism.

I think what people have to do is demand a greater say in the democractic process so that as globalisation progresses, freedom can progress with it.

Like everything it is a race to make enough people aware, whilst the black lodge race to keep people ignorant and 'manage their perceptions'

 

[Matt3737]

Existence is about to kick it up a notch....BAM!

 

[Kgal]

this new thought process that human kind is evolving...

discuss...

I've been running into the idea quite a lot in the last year or so from many separate friends and contacts. At first I thought...yeh...yeh...wishful thinking.

But when I look at how out of balance the world is right now - rife with cold hard hearts - I wonder. When one considers it - maybe an increase in awareness that we are connected more than we seem - is a swing in the pendulum in response to the cold fear permeating the globe.

An example of one effort to promote balance and counter the effects of fear is a movement going around right now getting people to commit to meditate 40 minutes a day for 40 days. I am doing it.

Another is the Global Coherence Initiative emails people to encourage them to practice being grateful and loving for 15 minutes on every full moon. They give one the times for their time zone and place on the globe so they can do this with others at the same time.

When I was researching places for NeverAmI to meditate when he moved upstate Iowa - I ran across a huge meditation center where 2,000 people gather for one day each month to meditate strictly on Loving Kindness for the world. I was amazed to discover this existed in the middle of corn country. :w:

To me - this heralds a change in the way people are viewing themselves and their relationship to the world. Thanks to the internet.

 

[Entyqua]

i find it odd that with this movement the government seeks to destroy that which has lead to this movement...its true that you can find anything on the internet, and nothing is confidential...it seems to be the government is running scared...so if they limit our information, that we will all go back to obeying the fist...the mighty hand of democracy...never mind that one by one they are scratching out our constitutional rights.

 

[hk427f3]

I understand that humans only use a small percentage of their brains...It is possible to use more.

This is completely false. You may not use all of the parts of your brain every second of the day, but every part does get used sometime during the day. I think it was Einstein who said people only use 10% of their brains. He was joking, he meant that people don't use their brains very well. Qualitative, not quantitative. The brain consumes a whole lot of energy, it wouldn't make sense to hold onto our brains without using them to their full potential.

Also, all you conspiracy peeps are totally nuts. But that's okay, I guess.

 

[Kmal]

This is completely false. You may not use all of the parts of your brain every second of the day, but every part does get used sometime during the day. I think it was Einstein who said people only use 10% of their brains. He was joking, he meant that people don't use their brains very well. Qualitative, not quantitative. The brain consumes a whole lot of energy, it wouldn't make sense to hold onto our brains without using them to their full potential.

Also, all you conspiracy peeps are totally nuts. But that's okay, I guess.

Forgetting the labels, intelligence usually leads to more intelligence, the same way as the more technologically advanced we get, the faster we advance technologically. The same goes for spiritually and culturally. Now, imagine the entire world as one culture. That's a lot different than a single indian tribe in northern mississippi. The more connected we are, the faster we advance in all aspects because we've advanced enough to connect everyone.

 

[Matt3737]

Forgetting the labels, intelligence usually leads to more intelligence, the same way as the more technologically advanced we get, the faster we advance technologically. The same goes for spiritually and culturally. Now, imagine the entire world as one culture. That's a lot different than a single indian tribe in northern mississippi. The more connected we are, the faster we advance in all aspects because we've advanced enough to connect everyone.

Not true. See: Law of Diminishing Returns

 

[Kmal]

Not true. See: Law of Diminishing Returns

economics is only a part of human culture and is not the entirety of it. we seem to be evolving past many of our previous laws and limitations.

 

[hk427f3]

Forgetting the labels, intelligence usually leads to more intelligence, the same way as the more technologically advanced we get, the faster we advance technologically. The same goes for spiritually and culturally.

I would agree on 3/4 points, if you replaced intelligence with knowledge. You know, standing on the shoulders of giants and stuff. But I don't see any 'spiritual advancement'. Can it even be measured? I can see more people adopting mindfulness and meditation, etc., but I don't think that's very spiritual at all. I'm sorry for being an empiricist asshole.

 

[Matt3737]

economics is only a part of human culture and is not the entirety of it. we seem to be evolving past many of our previous laws and limitations.

The principle still holds. I don't think anybody has any sort of claim to say we've evolved beyond the bounds of say the laws of thermodynamics.

Certainly, culture changes and we've changed alot, but I think we need to be a little more clear about what we mean to imply when we say that we're evolving. In what ways do you believe we've made significant and substantial changes?

 

[Kmal]

I would agree on 3/4 points, if you replaced intelligence with knowledge. You know, standing on the shoulders of giants and stuff. But I don't see any 'spiritual advancement'. Can it even be measured? I can see more people adopting mindfulness and meditation, etc., but I don't think that's very spiritual at all. I'm sorry for being an empiricist asshole.

Spirituality = consciousness. It is overcomplicated by many, but that is it in a nutshell. It is above the subconscious animal mind. It is the infinity within, by which we can comprehend comprehension, and comprehend comprehending comprehension, ad infinitum. Assign labels to it and you have religion, the training wheels for deeper spirituality. We've observed the labels and we've observed us observing the labels, which is the first step of many towards manifesting the infinity within on the outside.

The principle still holds. I don't think anybody has any sort of claim to say we've evolved beyond the bounds of say the laws of thermodynamics.

Certainly, culture changes and we've changed alot, but I think we need to be a little more clear about what we mean to imply when we say that we're evolving. In what ways do you believe we've made significant and substantial changes?

Communication for one. We do it in creative ways. Instead of gutteral noises, we use words, sounds, pictures, electricity, energy, and abstract ideas to communicate things to others.
We've advanced creatively as well, lovingly. Instead of seeing another human as a threat, we've established secuity among each other. We're no longer supressed by our fight or flight responses, because of our creativity!
We question ourselves and others. We instinctively (see what i did there?) know that we must work together to get where we all truly want to go.
Essentially, we've expanded our limitations and what we think our limitations are, by which it will keep expanding.

 

[Matt3737]

[MENTION=2259]Kmal[/MENTION]

I can only partly agree with you. Technology has certainly become significantly refined over time (a genuine and legitimate sexual selection factor), but to say we've evolved significantly is a lackluster generalization that can be easily dismissed because it's too vague. Are we biologically different from our Cro-Magnon ancestors? No.

Now while technology has had a profound effect on our social behavior thoroughout history, it is still important to address significant limitations to those technologies. To simply say that it will keep expanding exponentially, I believe, is a little too speculative to take at face value.

 

[muir]

Forgetting the labels, intelligence usually leads to more intelligence, the same way as the more technologically advanced we get, the faster we advance technologically. The same goes for spiritually and culturally. Now, imagine the entire world as one culture. That's a lot different than a single indian tribe in northern mississippi. The more connected we are, the faster we advance in all aspects because we've advanced enough to connect everyone.

Yeah Robert Anton Wilson talks about how things have been speeding up rapidly in 'Cosmic Trigger', maybe it’s the Schumann Resonances! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schumann_resonances

Some of the claims made by him and say Timothy Leary concerning people living longer haven't materialised yet, but that technology might be just around the corner in the field of genetics.
There’s also talk about approaching a technological singularity

There are various systems relating to personal and/or societal progression such as:
spiral dynamics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiral_dynamics)
maslows hierarchy of needs ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslows_hierarchy_of_needs )
Leary's eight-circuit model of consciousness (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eight-circuit_model_of_consciousness) which reminds me of the chakra system
Gurdjieff’s Enneagram system
Individuation is talked about by many people (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Individuation)
Dabrowski's Positive Disintegration (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Individuation)

In terms of the kabbalistic system, it has been proven that people can cross the abyss. Some systems such as freemasonry can't get you there, but then the secrets of freemasonry are jealously guarded in the higher degrees

Science is exploring amazing possibilities such as the possibility that neutrinos travel faster than the speed of light which would totally change the law of cause and effect, the double slit experiment demonstrates that reality behaves differently depending on whether or not it is being observed (see clip below), string theory, multi-dimensional universe theory, holographic universe theory......the world’s full of possibility!

[video=youtube;RnkE2yQPw6s]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnkE2yQPw6s[/video]

Double slit experiment:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu57B1v0SzI

I watched a documentary series where Stan Lee sends this guy who has incredibly flexible limbs out around the world to find people with super powers. many of the people who exhibit these extraordinary abilities gained them via meditation, which enabled them to change the way their mind and body functioned....I don't think we are anywhere near fulfilling our potential.

People in the east have always been more open to these sort of things for example: Qigong (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chi_gong) but i think many more people in the west are switching onto it

 

[Quiet]

Im so glad that this topic has been brought up. I have been thinking about it a lot for a long time.

I definately agree that there is an ascension/awakening of humanity and consiousness. I think thats its the next stage in our evolution. I hear a lot of people calling it the Age of Aquarius, tallking about Brotherhoods, human rights and saving our planet. I consider myself so fortunate to be alive in the most vibrant, humane and progressive era in our history. Its like there are infinite possibilities. Of course the world is still plagued with injustice, greed, hate and ignorance but for the first time in our history, many people are not only aware of these issues, but they care about resolving them. A great wealth of information has finally been set free, many dogmas and past inequalities are being challenged. Science, philosophy and spirituality which are all 'information' in essence is opening and free the minds of people all over the world to question all that we have been conditioned to believe. Its almost like in the Matrix, when Neo chooses the red pill and liberates himself.

I have been trying to learn all I can about the world, history, psychology, religions, sciences and philosophies for the last 13 years of my life as part of my own journey to understand myself and the human condition. Its funny because in spite of all the information that I had and even feeling like I 'knew', I didnt really get it until a few months ago. For me, it was that deep realisation that everything that I know is an illusion and that I am the creator of my world. I felt so empowered when I finally understood and yet it almost seemed too obvious.

We all write our own stories, and collectively, we write the human story. The world will be whatever we make it and whatever we believe. I used to look at the world as see all the restrictions and divisions, hierarchies, systems, rules, laws, organisations, politicians, dictators and fascists but now I see just a whole bunch of people. They're all just people, conditioned and a product of their environement. If people can change as individuals, societies can change too. Things only have power because we give it to them, deny them this power that they need and a lot of the hierachies in the world will collapse. Its all so fragile and vulnerable at its core. The same lessons have been repeated throughout history over and over, many people have spoken about them but its not until I realised for myself that I understood the implications of this.

Information is power and it will set us all free. Culture is generational. Whatever we feed will grow.

 

[894tt3h9]

I see a lot of people jumping on the ascension/awakening bandwagon. I was on it and then I jumped off. I started to realize that a lot of people think they are awakened, truth realized beings but they are not. I'm not either. So once I realized I was trying to adhere to that kind of thinking I put an end to it because let's face it, I'm not that evolved and I'm not enlightened either and neither are most of the people I know who claim to be evolved or enlightened. I find myself getting a bit annoyed by all the talk of it when usually people are doing it because it feels good and they think if they do certain things (meditation, cleanses, what have you) that they'll somehow get to move to the 5th dimension- whatever that is.

I don't know if humanity as a whole is moving in that direction. I've had moments where I've felt that way because you can't seem to escape people talking about it. I think most people are just as trapped in Ego as they always were and to think that 6 billion people in this life time are going to "wake up" is insane. I just don't see how that's going to happen. I'm not trying to be pessimistic but this is something that I've realized in myself and I think a lot of people HOPE they're enlightened but they're not.

 

[Kmal]

I can only partly agree with you. Technology has certainly become significantly refined over time (a genuine and legitimate sexual selection factor), but to say we've evolved significantly is a lackluster generalization that can be easily dismissed because it's too vague. Are we biologically different from our Cro-Magnon ancestors? No.

Now while technology has had a profound effect on our social behavior thoroughout history, it is still important to address significant limitations to those technologies. To simply say that it will keep expanding exponentially, I believe, is a little too speculative to take at face value.

We've advanced more technologically in the last 100 years than we have our entire existence. I dont see how you get off saying we havent advanced significantly. No matter, it is not biological or physical evolution that this thread is about, it is conscious evolution.
I will say that to advance technologically forever and ever is a bit suspect, but when one door closes, one door opens. Maybe this earth is a means to an end and we are to learn to travel consciousness, which in itself is forever and ever.

 

[Quiet]

I see a lot of people jumping on the ascension/awakening bandwagon. I was on it and then I jumped off. I started to realize that a lot of people think they are awakened, truth realized beings but they are not. I'm not either. So once I realized I was trying to adhere to that kind of thinking I put an end to it because let's face it, I'm not that evolved and I'm not enlightened either and neither are most of the people I know who claim to be evolved or enlightened. I find myself getting a bit annoyed by all the talk of it when usually people are doing it because it feels good and they think if they do certain things (meditation, cleanses, what have you) that they'll somehow get to move to the 5th dimension- whatever that is.

I don't know if humanity as a whole is moving in that direction. I've had moments where I've felt that way because you can't seem to escape people talking about it. I think most people are just as trapped in Ego as they always were and to think that 6 billion people in this life time are going to "wake up" is insane. I just don't see how that's going to happen. I'm not trying to be pessimistic but this is something that I've realized in myself and I think a lot of people HOPE they're enlightened but they're not.

I think you make a lot of good points. The one thing that would probably making people stop wanting to grow and learn more is if they believed for a certainty that they were enlightened and right.

I'm currently studying naturopathy which I love, and the majority of my fellow students are awesome. Lots of hippies and new age people. Theres also some headcases though, people that truly believe that they are enlightened but blind to the world. There is a lot of money to be made and a lot of people peddling enlightenment, preying on peoples fears and ignorances, promising them false hopes and then attacking them when they dont believe. This is frustrating and takes away from the spirit of the movement.

I know that I am not enlightened or fully evolved but I want to be. If I keep putting it out there, thinking it, trying it, living it, and believing it, I can become it. It becomes a goal that I work towards, like a self fulfilling prophesy.

I agree with you that the idea of 6 billion people 'waking up' is unprobable. What is possible though is that enough people will 'wake up' and can shape a better world for the rest of humanity.

People believe what they are told and are largely products of their culture, society, and education. Humans are a product or reflection of their environment in the same way as all other organisms. If these environmental factors change, the people will also change.
Just imagine how hard it would have been to be a woman 200 years ago, or how hard it is to be a woman in developing countries today. Or how awful it would have been to live in a feudal society, as a slave, to always be governed by your 'class in society'. As our ideas of what was acceptable changed, so did our culture and lives.

There are millions of ways that life has improved for humanity, albeit mainly in the developed world. Most of us no longer liver under the constant threat of hunger, poverty, disease, violence, rape, hate, abuse and unpredictable natural disasters as our ancestors did. We are also able to communicate with people and travel all over the world. We have been able to cross the language barrier, which has always been one of our greatest barriers and sources of ignorance about other people in the world. We have a world of information at our fingertips, and enough knowledge to try and undertstand it.

Even if people dont all 'wake up', maybe they can believe in something better and less harmful than what they do currently. And then maybe, sometime in the future, it could even become cultural for people to try and seek enlightment

 

[Entyqua]

there are a lot of really interesting points in this thread...Do i think there is a mass awakening, NO...do I think that humans have the potential...some.

To a point about, people believing what they are told I cant agree with that more...Its true in terms of religion, we have not evolved at all..still sacrificing our free will to be what god said we should be...Obey, follow the natural order of things, conform, and you shall see paradise. Paradise is not for humans, read it again heaven was made for the angels...for the gods...mortals are not allowed on mount olympus, heaven is not for mortals either that is why there was always an underworld...they want you to think you can get into paradise by conforming and being good little humans.

That was a tangent...but remember the bible was written by man, and inherently, by its teachings, man is flawed. its a book of stories, a book to teach us about life. its like the little red riding hood we read to our kids...dont talk to strangers they might eat you.

Now, Im not saying that waking up is crazy or factual, i just know that in my experience going through this process so really effed things have happened to me. i have a friend who is trying to "wake me up" because she thinks I am channeling an astral being...I dont know...Im just here for the food.

 

[Kgal]

I think you make a lot of good points. The one thing that would probably making people stop wanting to grow and learn more is if they believed for a certainty that they were enlightened and right.

I'm currently studying naturopathy which I love, and the majority of my fellow students are awesome. Lots of hippies and new age people. Theres also some headcases though, people that truly believe that they are enlightened but blind to the world. There is a lot of money to be made and a lot of people peddling enlightenment, preying on peoples fears and ignorances, promising them false hopes and then attacking them when they dont believe. This is frustrating and takes away from the spirit of the movement.

I know that I am not enlightened or fully evolved but I want to be. If I keep putting it out there, thinking it, trying it, living it, and believing it, I can become it. It becomes a goal that I work towards, like a self fulfilling prophesy.

I agree with you that the idea of 6 billion people 'waking up' is unprobable. What is possible though is that enough people will 'wake up' and can shape a better world for the rest of humanity.

People believe what they are told and are largely products of their culture, society, and education. Humans are a product or reflection of their environment in the same way as all other organisms. If these environmental factors change, the people will also change.
Just imagine how hard it would have been to be a woman 200 years ago, or how hard it is to be a woman in developing countries today. Or how awful it would have been to live in a feudal society, as a slave, to always be governed by your 'class in society'. As our ideas of what was acceptable changed, so did our culture and lives.

There are millions of ways that life has improved for humanity, albeit mainly in the developed world. Most of us no longer liver under the constant threat of hunger, poverty, disease, violence, rape, hate, abuse and unpredictable natural disasters as our ancestors did. We are also able to communicate with people and travel all over the world. We have been able to cross the language barrier, which has always been one of our greatest barriers and sources of ignorance about other people in the world. We have a world of information at our fingertips, and enough knowledge to try and undertstand it.

Even if people dont all 'wake up', maybe they can believe in something better and less harmful than what they do currently. And then maybe, sometime in the future, it could even become cultural for people to try and seek enlightment

As long as you question whether you are enlightened or not - you probably are.

Being enlightened does not mean one goes around all sparkly and happy as shit all day every day. Being enlightened means understanding one's position within the cosmos or the universe, that one knows we are infinitely connected, that what we "see" is an illusion on multiple scales, and that one's actions contribute to the current "view" of the world. Being enlightened means one is aware of themselves, and seeks to increase true awareness all around them. This leads to minimizing harm: harm done to self - harm done to others - harm done to sentient beings - harm done to the planet.

Yes. I agree there are persons who think they are awake or enlightened - and their cup can become full and no more wisdom can be poured into it.

Personally I do not care if I am enlightened or if I ever become "enlightened" or if I already am. All I know is I have a mountain of wisdom to climb and I hope I keep putting one foot in front of the other as I make my way up it.

But to say that you [MENTION=1834]sandra_b[/MENTION] are not enlightened nor [MENTION=4956]Asarya[/MENTION] is not awake is a mistake - imo. You both are in the awakening process as you seek to understand and increase your awareness. You are aware of your limitations. This is wisdom. This is being an awakened being. It is all a process. It is all about practice.

As Ghandi says: Be the change you want to see in the world. If you spread the word about a new perspective....who knows who you might influence to start becoming aware of themselves and then their surroundings and then their effect on the world.

Namaste'

 

[Vict]

The species is taller, on average, than we were five thousand years ago. We may be on the road to becoming megafauna if we somehow manage not to cause or otherwise experience an extinction event.